Nintendo statement on lack of adaptor in NA.

GoaThief said:
What are those exactly? I don't see similar implemented on the Vita, smartphones, tablets, blah blah...

As for the little comment at the end, it's blatantly not about affordability so please don't pretend that's the case.
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Paper trail and law enforcement are the reason, because the 3DS is still regularly marketed at kids. EULA is not actually all that useful in court but a paper trail of where you signed off on removing the content filter most certainly is useful. This is a very common practice for compliance with COPPA. Mojang does it, for reference to a big kid-aligned, company/market.

Credit card charges are one of the main ways to comply with United States COPPA requirements for devices that can be used by minors. If you have issues with it, I suggest contacting your state representative to complain.

For your reading pleasure: http://www.coppa.org/comply.htm Anything that is marketed at children must meet these criteria.
 
tengiants said:
It's not 5 dollars. It's a symbol of the deep hatred and resent Nintendo has for their customers. Wii U doesn't play blu-rays either. They obviously stopped caring about video games and just want your money.
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Like, really. Is it this much of a travesty, or are people exaggerating to get a point across? I can never tell.
 
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Vena said:
Paper trail is the reason
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I did ask what legal reasons exactly, "paper trail" is quite vague.

For example kids tablets come with content filters yet do not require a monetary transaction to disable. Surely if there were 'legal reasons' would a charge not be compulsory on those too across the board? Even then, why not 0.01 and refundable or redeemable on the online store? Also for consistency, why not lock games with higher age certifications too?


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I see you made a large edit to your original post, isn't COPPA in relation to websites that collect data of children under 13 and applicable to the US only?
 
Starfish Hero said:
Like, really. Is it this much of a travesty, or are people exaggerating to get a point across? I can never tell.
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For me its just the end of the road for me in terms of putting up with bullshit from Nintendo. Between their greed, laziness, and outright ineptitude I just can't bring myself to give them any more money.
 
outunderthestars said:
For me its just the end of the road for me in terms of putting up with bullshit from Nintendo. Between their greed, laziness, and outright ineptitude I just can't bring myself to give them any more money.
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Seriously. This, the low production to inflate demand (GameCube adapter, amiibos), and the general fuckery. I feel bad for the talent that is covered up there I really do.
 
It was nice of nintendo not to include one to keep the cost down. people should be happy nitendo is appealing to it's hardcore fans that already own a 3dsxl / adapter. so nice :)
 
Laconic said:
God knows that price point sold like hotcakkes.

There are lots of things to be upset with Nintendo about. The lack of a charger is another kick in the fans' testicles, and ought not be dismissed as if it were nothing.
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I was referencing the price point of the DS Lite which opted for $129, so it did.

It is almost nothing both comparatively and in cost to the consumer. Not to mention that the lack of a New 3DS/faceplate thread has half the amount of posts this one does, despite that being a more considerable kick to the testicles. I am going to wager that most current Nintendo fans have a 3DS of some sort, so they should already have a charger. I cannot see how the lack of two chargers is going negatively impact their N3DS. If this was a brand new system like the DS to 3DS, then yes, it would be hilariously rude of Nintendo to not include the charger. But it's not, it is the fourth version of the handheld and the sixth device to use the same type of charger. So I find the uproar a little over the top.
 
GoaThief said:
I did ask what legal reasons exactly, "paper trail" is quite vague.

For example kids tablets come with content filters yet do not require a monetary transaction to disable. Surely if there were 'legal reasons' would a charge not be compulsory on those too across the board? Even then, why not 0.01 and refundable or redeemable on the online store? Also for consistency, why not lock games with higher age certifications too?
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Games with higher age certifications are "locked" through the ratings. Every game is rated, but not every "inappropriate" site is as well, which is why Nintendo might feel liable to protect younger users. As for the charge being what it is, Nintendo's passing the fee they have to pay for consumers using credit cards onto the consumer. Nintendo doesn't profit off it, but it's another pretty stingy thing surrounding the n3DS.

outunderthestars said:
For me its just the end of the road for me in terms of putting up with bullshit from Nintendo. Between their greed, laziness, and outright ineptitude I just can't bring myself to give them any more money.
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But they're cheap, not evil. I get being pissed, but shit why do people act like dropping a charger is akin to drowning a puppy.
 
outunderthestars said:
For me its just the end of the road for me in terms of putting up with bullshit from Nintendo. Between their greed, laziness, and outright ineptitude I just can't bring myself to give them any more money.
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This is apparently already common practice everywhere else in the world. Your anger might be better directed at the rest of the world for not stopping this.
 
tengiants said:
This is apparently already common practice everywhere else in the world. Your anger might be better directed at the rest of the world for not stopping this.
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"Other people are doing so it's okay to do it!"

smh

Furthermore, I highly doubt that it's common practice. Name me 10 mobile devices that don't come with a charger or usb cable.
 
GoaThief said:
I did ask what legal reasons exactly, "paper trail" is quite vague.

For example kids tablets come with content filters yet do not require a monetary transaction to disable. Surely if there were 'legal reasons' would a charge not be compulsory on those too across the board? Even then, why not 0.01 and refundable or redeemable on the online store? Also for consistency, why not lock games with higher age certifications too?
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COPPA compliance. Read my edit. Services have all sorts of different ways of complying with age consent. In the case of video games, it is presumed that a legal party bought the game and that the retailer did not sell it to them without an adult present. In that case the onus is not on Nintendo. For the digital transactions you need a credit card to begin with. The browser is the tricky thing and, as far as Nintendo decided, this was the best way to do it. The charge price is the minimum transaction fee.

For more information: http://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/business-center/complying-coppa-frequently-asked-questions#Verifiable Parental

GoaThief said:
I see you made a large edit to your original post, isn't COPPA in relation to websites that collect data of children under 13 and applicable to the US only?
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Indeed. But since Nintendo doesn't differentiate and markets at all audiences, and the N3DS browser is actually a capable browser that collects data, has access to various websites, and so on, they need to do an age verification to comply or, better put, avoid complications from COPPA.

Like I said, its just for paper trail reasons so that they can't get blamed down the road for a kid doing something stupid.
 
Why don't Nintendo just use a usb charger like every other smart device?

Save them money while not bothering the consumer.
 
These charging cables costs $3 at most for Nintendo. Where are people getting the idea it would raise the price of the system by $15-$30?
 
Starfish Hero said:
which is why Nintendo might feel liable to protect younger users. As for the charge being what it is, Nintendo's passing the fee they have to pay for consumers using credit cards onto the consumer
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Then there is no legal precedent or reason as far as I can see, it's completely on Nintendo. Nintendo do not have to make a charge full stop, but they seemingly are. A lot of children's tablets use modified android browsers (or have the default one hidden behind a parent mode/parental controls). Does a browser count as a website, and if COPPA applies to that what data is Nintendo collecting that makes it a special case not seen in similar products?

Nice discussion by the way to those commenting, thank you. Run out of time but hopefully will be continued at a later point. :-)
 
Isn't the price of the New XL the same as the old one? And from what I understand, the old one came with a power adaptor in North America. If it's designed to save cost, surely it should be cheaper than the current XL?
 
Trike said:
Actually, no, parents are used to things not working out of the box and requiring additional power sources. Cause, you know, they buy toys for kids all the time. And a batteries can easily be more expensive than a 3DS charger. You are actually paying for what is in the box, your expectation to have everything you want in it is totes entitlement, so is your attitude as a consumer. That's okay, a lot of consumers feel super entitled. Most people who have ever worked retail know this. But, as I mentioned earlier, plenty of electronics do not necessarily come with everything you need to use it. So you are right, it isn't an American thing (even this situation is totally an american thing), it is a gamer thing. Or Nintendo-fan thing? To some, at least.

Also the charger does not power the device, the batteries do. The charger recharges the batteries, which are at least partially charged out of the box. I also bolded whatever riddle you left in hopes that you or someone else can decipher it.
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Hahaha. This is great.
 
Yokai said:
Why don't Nintendo just use a usb charger like every other smart device?

Save them money while not bothering the consumer.
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Yes, making a USB charger instead of making it convert AC would save $2 per unit. I honestly think they designed the box and then realize they could not fit the charger in it and were too lazy to design a new one so they came up with a weak PR statement.

RyanPierre said:
Now they'll be able to include it in future 3DS SKUs with "FREE BONUS POWER CABLE INSIDE!"
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Yeah...
 
GoaThief said:
Then there is no legal precedent or reason as far as I can see, it's completely on Nintendo. Nintendo do not have to make a charge full stop, but they seemingly are.

Nice discussion by the way to those commenting, thank you. :-)
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Well... while this is the first time I've seen something like this in consumer electronics, it's not exactly unprecedented to push credit card fees onto customers. Off the top of my head, gas stations sometimes charge more if you use a credit card instead of cash, and I noticed I saved like $50 paying my bill for school using my debit card instead of a credit card.

TI82 said:
Then they make less money from accessories (which we know they desperately need)
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Honestly, having worked at Best Buy, I can say this isn't false for any company. Margins for accessories are crazy.
 
Starfish Hero said:
Well... while this is the first time I've seen something like this in consumer electronics, it's not exactly unprecedented to push credit card fees onto customers. Off the top of my head, gas stations sometimes charge more if you use a credit card instead of cash, and I noticed I saved like $50 paying my bill for school using my debit card instead of a credit card.
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Credit charge fees are built into the price you pay a lot of the time, especially from retailers that only accept credit like Amazon.
 
Starfish Hero said:
Well... while this is the first time I've seen something like this in consumer electronics, it's not exactly unprecedented to push credit card fees onto customers. Off the top of my head, gas stations sometimes charge more if you use a credit card instead of cash, and I noticed I saved like $50 paying my bill for school using my debit card instead of a credit card.
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Yeah, I always gathered that any small charge is bad for a company. To validate you are an adult, wouldn't it make more sense to require some sort of government issued ID? Then they could trace the info that way. That is how casinos do it. You don't need a credit card to gamble.
Sure it would take a bit, but it is an option.
 
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