Nintendo statement on lack of adaptor in NA.

I find the cost argument strange as Nintendo is only paying like $2 per AC Adapter. Are they really that cheap as to not include a $2 adapter?

Glad I saw this thread, I was debating over finally getting a 3DS with my tax refund soon.
 
The sad part is that once the N3DS gets released, people will still go and buy them in droves anyway.

No significant backlash, no sufficient criticism.

Assuming all your customers have bought one of your units before alienates a potential new user base, at least that's how I see it.

Quite the dick move, and it seems Nintendo does not understand the concept of a device coming with its own charger anymore.
 
Coolio McAwesome said:
Are you REALLY unable to wrap your head around such a simple concept? Nintendo knows a lot of people buying the N3DS already have an adapter so they don't want to force them to buy something they will never use.

Most people complaining about this obviously have chosen to ignore the 3DS for the past four years, and I'm betting a lot of them had no intent of ever buying a N3DS in the first place. It's disingenuous.

I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that so many people are complaining about the fact that millions of people are going to save money by virtue of the fact that they won't be required to purchase an item that they don't need.
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This post is beyond weird
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Who are these millions of people that have tons of adapters laying around? I have had a 3DS for 3 years and only have one, that will go to whoever I sell my old one to or whoever I trade it in to. Why would I have multiples laying around even though I have had a OG 3DS and XL?
 
Funyarinpa said:
The sad part is that once the N3DS gets released, people will still go and buy them in droves anyway.

No significant backlash, no sufficient criticism.

Assuming all your customers have bought one of your units before alienates a potential new user base.
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Probaby true. I made my choice though. I don't like the fingerprint magnet that is the new XL. I will not be buying one ever. I want a matte version for $180 or a regular new 3DS for $160.
I am selling mine to get my imported JPN version.

Really dumb defenses since in Japan you can get an XL MH4 for $200 when it is $230 over here.
Not right now , but during launch.
 
Snkfanatic said:
This post is beyond weird
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Who are these millions of people that have tons of adapters laying around? I have had a 3DS for 3 years and only have one, that will go to whoever I sell my old one to or whoever I trade it in to. Why would I have multiples laying around even though I have had a OG 3DS and XL?
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I think the post means that the charger that would come with the N3DS would be extra. Apparently, the poster is ignorant of the convenience of having a backup charger at hand.
 
Would anyone be happy if they made a bundle that included the charger for $210 alongside one that's $200 for just the system? That way all the people mad about it on principal can be satisfied and people who don't need the charger don't have to pay the extra money for it.
 
Thoraxes said:
Would anyone be happy if they made a bundle that included the charger for $210 alongside one that's $200 for just the system? That way all the people mad about it on principal can be satisfied and people who don't need the charger don't have to pay the extra money for it.
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Good PR at this point would be trying to get Dock/charger bundles into peoples hands for as cheap as possible.
 
Sapiens said:
Good PR at this point would be trying to get Dock/charger bundles into peoples hands for as cheap as possible.
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Yes it would be good regarding PR.

But would my posed hypothetical question an acceptable solution to the issue? Would people be pissed they have to pay an extra $10 to have a charger included? Would they be happy they don't have to buy it separately?
 
Thoraxes said:
Would anyone be happy if they made a bundle that included the charger for $210 alongside one that's $200 for just the system? That way all the people mad about it on principal can be satisfied and people who don't need the charger don't have to pay the extra money for it.
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Chargers do not cost $10 to produce. Hell, the packaging and shipping on extra chargers is probably bordering on costing more than the actual production of the item. What people are pissed about is it simply not being plopped in the box with the 3DS since it is an item that costs Nintendo between 50 cents and a dollar to produce. Any "but we want to give choices" excuse is just that, an excuse, all while hoping consumers are dumb enough to just swallow a fairly mandatory $8 profit gouge.
 
Thoraxes said:
Yes it would be good regarding PR.

But would my posed hypothetical question an acceptable solution to the issue? Would people be pissed they have to pay an extra $10 to have a charger included? Would they be happy they don't have to buy it separately?
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I'd definitely rather pay $210 for a complete package than go "I'm saving money, yaaaay!"

Given the expensive game prices for Nintendo consoles, if you really need to save money from buying a charger with your device, you won't be able to afford the games for the system. Don't even bother.
 
Thoraxes said:
Would anyone be happy if they made a bundle that included the charger for $210 alongside one that's $200 for just the system? That way all the people mad about it on principal can be satisfied and people who don't need the charger don't have to pay the extra money for it.
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You still don't get that a sku that had a charger in it to begin with would be $200. They would not have gone over that price. It would be a case of Nintendo taking slightly less profits per unit. No one would be paying extra money.
 
I figured they could get away with this in Europe only because there's a cultural history there of needing to buy (and install) your own AC cables for electronics.
 
Another point not being made, is that knowing Nintendo's shitty stock supply like with the Gamecube adapters, they might be sold out of ac adapters in the first week, leaving you with a brick until more stock becomes available.
 
Anyways for people in the market, I heard some retail workers (GS/BB) say regular 3DS XL is getting a MSRP of $180 in Feb. Just letting you know.
So sale price of $150 again I bet.
I am still supporting the OG models.
 
Sinfamy said:
Another point not being made, is that knowing Nintendo's shitty stock supply like with the Gamecube adapters, they might be sold out of ac adapters in the first weeks, leaving you with a brick until more stock becomes available.
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"Weeks" is optimistic. I agree with the rest of the point.
 
Thoraxes said:
Would anyone be happy if they made a bundle that included the charger for $210 alongside one that's $200 for just the system? That way all the people mad about it on principal can be satisfied and people who don't need the charger don't have to pay the extra money for it.
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I wouldn't bite, no. Nintendo would still be marking up a mandatory item (that never affected consumer pricing before) by more than 200%, just for the "privilege" of getting the charger with the device.

The damage is already done for me. Even if Nintendo sent out coupons for "free" chargers after the fact, I'm not bothering with buying any more new Nintendo hardware.
 
If we get another generation of a DS, probably the stylus will be omitted next: "you probably have one from one of your old DS! You're *saving up* on a piece of metal/plastic!"
 
Pie and Beans said:
Chargers do not cost $10 to produce. Hell, the packaging and shipping on extra chargers is probably bordering on costing more than the actual production of the item. What people are pissed about is it simply not being plopped in the box with the 3DS since it is an item that costs Nintendo between 50 cents and a dollar to produce. Any "but we want to give choices" excuse is just that, an excuse, all while hoping consumers are dumb enough to just swallow a fairly mandatory $8 profit gouge.
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Oh I understand that. I was just thinking how if people got gouged an extra $10 would they be happy to swallow the pill just because a charger is actually included in the box instead of just buying it cheaper elsewhere.
Sinfamy said:
Another point not being made, is that knowing Nintendo's shitty stock supply like with the Gamecube adapters, they might be sold out of ac adapters in the first week, leaving you with a brick until more stock becomes available.
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There's a ton of alternative chargers that will work available online for even cheaper than the official one. Most of my friends all bought USB chargers for theirs for about $2 each back when they were super cheap.
 
civilstrife said:
I figured they could get away with this in Europe only because there's a cultural history there of needing to buy (and install) your own AC cables for electronics.
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Even in the UK, they are including bundles with free chargers. They are way more pro choice than NA.
I would compare this to the Gameboy Micro, but getting one cheap it is pretty cool.
CCP pretty much works for MM and MH4, so meh.
 
Thoraxes said:
Oh I understand that. I was just thinking how if people got gouged an extra $10 would they be happy to swallow the pill just because a charger is actually included in the box instead of just buying it cheaper elsewhere.
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People are reacting to the reality that Nintendo was not going to go over $199.99 MSRP. That's the sweet spot price wise and there is a reason most products usually sell in this range ($19.99, 99.99, 199.99) and not for prices like $204.99 or $209.99. To say bring up a hypothetical where Nintendo sells a N3DS + charger for $209.99 is unrealistic.
 
Funyarinpa said:
The sad part is that once the N3DS gets released, people will still go and buy them in droves anyway.

No significant backlash, no sufficient criticism.

Assuming all your customers have bought one of your units before alienates a potential new user base, at least that's how I see it.

Quite the dick move, and it seems Nintendo does not understand the concept of a device coming with its own charger anymore.
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I think the backlash will come from parents and the like buying these systems from stores like Target, Walmart, Kmart, etc., where the cashier in front of the store, who is not in any way connected to the Electronics department, won't advise the customer about a lack of power cord. At least, I hope that ends up being the case so Nintendo doesn't do this sort of thing in the future.
 
Ninja Scooter said:
People are reacting to the reality that Nintendo was not going to go over $199.99 MSRP. That's the sweet spot price wise and there is a reason most products usually sell in this range ($19.99, 99.99, 199.99) and not for prices like $204.99 or $209.99. To say bring up a hypothetical where Nintendo sells a N3DS + charger for $209.99 is unrealistic.
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Oh, I know seeing that 1 instead of a 2 is a necessity. It's really important to see that "sub-$200" price because of consumer psychology.

I guess I should've poised the question as $200 vs $190 or something to avoid that angle. We all know that a company won't ever pass the consumer the buck really. I'm still pissed about being forced to buy a memory card to even start up a Vita game when I bought the thing years ago.

Listonosh said:
I think the backlash will come from parents and the like buying these systems from stores like Target, Walmart, Kmart, etc., where the cashier in front of the store, who is not in any way connected to the Electronics department, won't advise the customer about a lack of power cord. At least, I hope that ends up being the case so Nintendo doesn't do this sort of thing in the future.
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It always baffles me that many people don't read the boxes of shit they buy. But it's a real thing. Maybe i'm so accustomed to it from building PCs that I obsessively go over every detail of penetrability and comparability before making purchases lol.
 
Listonosh said:
I think the backlash will come from parents and the like buying these systems from stores like Target, Walmart, Kmart, etc., where the cashier in front of the store, who is not in any way connected to the Electronics department, won't advise the customer about a lack of power cord. At least, I hope that ends up being the case so Nintendo doesn't do this sort of thing in the future.
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I saw the GameXplain unboxing. The warning label is like 1 inch tall and on the bottom.
It is bad! They can learn from UK and slap lime green stickers on the box.
Thoraxes said:
Oh, I know seeing that 1 instead of a 2 is a necessity. It's really important to see that "sub-$200" price because of consumer psychology.

I guess I should've poised the question as $200 vs $190 or something to avoid that angle. We all know that a company won't ever pass the consumer the buck really. I'm still pissed about being forced to buy a memory card to even start up a Vita game when I bought the thing years ago.

It always baffles me that many people don't read the boxes of shit they buy. But it's a real thing.
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Agreed. I did not get a Vita until it was $180 w/ 3G, WIFI, game, and 4 GB memory.
Most new models come with all you need for $200. Runs in crisp 480p.

240p 3D for 2011 tech for 200? Please...
Also Amazon chargers voids your warranty.
 
Thoraxes said:
There's a ton of alternative chargers that will work available online for even cheaper than the official one. Most of my friends all bought USB chargers for theirs for about $2 each back when they were super cheap.
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Because invalidating the warranty on your $200 machine by not getting a licensed power supply is always a good idea...
 
Listonosh said:
I think the backlash will come from parents and the like buying these systems from stores like Target, Walmart, Kmart, etc., where the cashier in front of the store, who is not in any way connected to the Electronics department, won't advise the customer about a lack of power cord. At least, I hope that ends up being the case so Nintendo doesn't do this sort of thing in the future.
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People are overlooking the fact that thousands of people will, at their children saying "I want a New 3DS!", will just go and buy the system without doing research or anything about the contents of the box, and then be unable to charge the system and therefore, be unable to use the system.

I'm with you in that guilty pleasure, I'll be laughing if Nintendo finally receives backlash for a dick move they make.
 
Petrae said:
Because invalidating the warranty on your $200 machine by not getting a licensed power supply is always a good idea...
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How can they tell with the chargers?

When my DS needed to get a hinge fixed I only needed to send in the system.

Same goes for a friend with his 3DS OG that had an internal memory error.

We both used unlicensed chargers and styluses. Both of which would void a warranty according to the manual. They were still fully covered though.
 
Thoraxes said:
How can they tell with the chargers?

When my DS needed to get a hinge fixed I only needed to send in the system.

Same goes for a friend with his 3DS OG that had an internal memory error.

We both used unlicensed chargers and styluses. Both of which would void a warranty according to the manual. They were still fully covered though.
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If you submit for warranty repair because your N3DS doesn't charge or won't hold a charge, for example, your warranty can be invalidated because you used an unlicensed power supply. If you submit for a non-power issue (i.e. damaged hinge), it's likely that power supply is never examined and the use of an unlicensed adapter will go undetected.

Unlicensed third-party accessory use has often led to warranty invalidation. Third-party controllers sometimes led to damaged controller ports in older consoles, for example; Nintendo would not fix these under warranty and would redirect customers to the controller manufacturer.
 
Thoraxes said:
It always baffles me that many people don't read the boxes of shit they buy. But it's a real thing. Maybe i'm so accustomed to it from building PCs that I obsessively go over every detail of penetrability and comparability before making purchases lol.
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Yeah but the common consumer will just pick the box up, make sure that the name says "New" so they know they got the right 3DS, and will simply go checkout. Unless they're tech savvy and read up on it ahead of time, which I don't see it be the case in a lot of situations, they're going to end up with an unhappy child and by that extension an unhappy adult who will then have to unhappily try to return their opened system, and if that doesn't work, unhappily call Nintendo.

I don't want it to seem like it's a huge deal to me personally, because I just picked up an extra $5 charger for myself, but I'm more so looking at the big picture.
 
Petrae said:
Unlicensed third-party accessory use has often led to warranty invalidation. Third-party controllers sometimes led to damaged controller ports in older consoles, for example; Nintendo would not fix these under warranty and would redirect customers to the controller manufacturer.
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Which is sound logic.
The argument has always been you need to buy a charger if you do not have one. This is stupid. EU/JPN are OK with it, US isn't. Tech here has ALWAYS come with a charger. The End.
Anyone believing that they save you money by making you buy a charger is wrong. By this logic, iPhone 7 is OK being 200 with no charger.
 
Why would a $200 New 3DS + $10 AC adapter be different from a $210 package with both included? Serious question, I don't think I understand the problem.

I see the lack of an USB port as a bigger issue.
 
Funyarinpa said:
The sad part is that once the N3DS gets released, people will still go and buy them in droves anyway.

No significant backlash, no sufficient criticism.

Assuming all your customers have bought one of your units before alienates a potential new user base, at least that's how I see it.

Quite the dick move, and it seems Nintendo does not understand the concept of a device coming with its own charger anymore.
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Not me. I had $200+ set aside to preorder one of these, but I decided to spend it on something else.

Thanks, Nintendo, for making it clear that new people aren't welcome.
 
Thoraxes said:
Would anyone be happy if they made a bundle that included the charger for $210 alongside one that's $200 for just the system? That way all the people mad about it on principal can be satisfied and people who don't need the charger don't have to pay the extra money for it.
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It should be in the box for $199. You can bet Nintendo isn't losing money on this system.
 
canedaddy said:
Not me. I had $200+ set aside to preorder one of these, but I decided to spend it on something else.

Thanks, Nintendo, for making it clear that new people aren't welcome.
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Indeed, I should be thanking Nintendo for convincing me to free up money that I would've spent on the N3DS. Maybe I can put it towards upgrading my tablet or even buying that copy of Space Megaforce that I've had my eye on at Amazon.
 
Pathfinder said:
Since we're doing nothing but going around in circles, let's try branching out the conversation a bit to see if we latch upon something new.

If sometime between now and release date, if Nintendo sees the error of their ways and offers buyers of the N3DS a coupon for a free AC adapter, would that make people feel better?
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I'm fine with corporate apologies, I own a xb1 too.
 
Sinfamy said:
Another point not being made, is that knowing Nintendo's shitty stock supply like with the Gamecube adapters, they might be sold out of ac adapters in the first week, leaving you with a brick until more stock becomes available.
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Okay here is my simple thought. There was no great AC Adapter shortage in Europe or Japan when their hardware switched. Both those continents were affected by the Gamecube adapters though before you go "NOA couldn't stock anything because they suck. Fire Regiwata".

Now you might also think "I went to Walmart today and found no official AC adapters" well yeah, it is only when the New 3DS comes out that the stock will appear on the shelves as there has been no need to provide it before (in the rare circumstance you needed one you could get them from NOA directly).
 
It's ok to admit when your fave fucks up. I don't see what there is to defend here, not including the charger doesn't benefit consumers in any way.
 
Do the people defending Nintendo on this believe that the prices on the current 3DS systems have been raised due to including the charger?
 
If there was any doubt that American gamers will grit their teeth and take it, take a look at the daily sales chart for video games at Amazon.

3DS charger in the top 10
 
Derpyduck said:
If there was any doubt that American gamers will grit their teeth and take it, take a look at the daily sales chart for video games at Amazon.

3DS charger in the top 10
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...I don't know what I expected.

But then again, this is how Nintendo gets away with anything it does anyway.
 
Derpyduck said:
If there was any doubt that American gamers will grit their teeth and take it, take a look at the daily sales chart for video games at Amazon.

3DS charger in the top 10
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Well, of course. For every one person who calls out Nintendo for this, 100 more will just pay the $15 fee and buy in, because Nintendo.

That's the modern-day video game consumer for you. "Shut up and take my money."
 
Sinfamy said:
Another point not being made, is that knowing Nintendo's shitty stock supply like with the Gamecube adapters, they might be sold out of ac adapters in the first week, leaving you with a brick until more stock becomes available.
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These adapters have been standard since the Dsi came out, heck, you can buy one now if you're that paranoid.
 
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