Mihael Mello Keehl
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Nice prediction, mine is the Wii U will be 99$ by august in the bins too
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Now that the PS4 has already outsold the Wii U, where does Nintendo go from here?
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Nice try. But here's my prediction: I'll sell my wii u to someone and pay them 299 to take it from me.
It's the worst thing out of the situation they're in. I mean, where is the awesome DS backlog on the 3DS eShop? Why isn't the Pokemon shows and movies on the eShop?? :<
But yeah, the hybrids I mentioned will just be an much improved version of the WiiU/Gamepad and Off TV play concept.
FullMetalx117
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Nintendo Marketcap: 19.37 Billion
Sony Marketcap: 18.94 Billion
Sony Marketcap: 18.94 Billion
there's a thread dedicated to this, but i'm not sure how this refutes the wii u's poor standing in the market.
Shoulda spent that money on better hardware.
Byakuya769
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People don't know what market cap is.
I'm waiting until stacks of them go for $40-$50 like a wall of gamecubes at my local walmart did back in 2005/2006. It was closer to the launch of the Wii and PS3, but it was still funny seeing them so cheap with ample stock.
MyBodyisReady
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I think the Nintendo Wii U hardware is fine. I love that I can turn my television on with my video game controller! I love being able to just press things and make Netflix happen or start up a game, it's literally on my nightstand it's beautiful. I am having so much fun with software like Monster Hunter, Super Mario 3D World, Wind Waker HD, Wonderful 101, New Super Mario/Luigi Bros., Sonic Lost World, NES Remix, Dr. Luigi, plus others!
I am sorry that you guys aren't enjoying yours to the point that you feel the need to declare the death of a fun system because Sunny Playstation sold a couple 100K more units. While you do that, I'm going to keep having fun!
I am sorry that you guys aren't enjoying yours to the point that you feel the need to declare the death of a fun system because Sunny Playstation sold a couple 100K more units. While you do that, I'm going to keep having fun!
Gonzo The Great
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"MyBodyisReady"
You're not going to last very long here. If the Wii U hardware was truly fine, it wouldn't be one of the biggest financial disasters in gaming history. The fact that it can't even reach Dreamcast levels is very scary.
Here's a pic of Reggie showing Sunny what he feels about 'em
Damn that Sunny Playstation
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Reggie hand aint that fatHere's a pic of Reggie showing Sunny what he feels about 'em
Damn that Sunny Playstation
The VC box seems like a good idea only on paper. It would require Nintendo to devote countless resources to emulate and get liscenses for countless games. Ignoring all this, it's a neat idea but I don't envision the hardware would sell well. At best 1/3 people who clamor for it would actually buy it when it's sitting on store shelves. Knowing that it only plays older games I think it'd lack the wow factor required for people to pull the trigger. There is something to be said for limiting VC to the latest console and handheld, and trickling games out a few at a time to not flood the market.
Nintendo needs to do what they're doing now x3. More partnerships and publishing duties for games like B2, W101, Hyrule Warriors, Rayman, Zombi U, etc. Bayonetta 1 should have been released during a dry spell last year. Mario Galaxy collection, Xenoblade HD, and other rereleases provide easy ways to fill out an otherwise barren release schedule. Wind Waker HD should have been one of many.
Nintendo needs to do what they're doing now x3. More partnerships and publishing duties for games like B2, W101, Hyrule Warriors, Rayman, Zombi U, etc. Bayonetta 1 should have been released during a dry spell last year. Mario Galaxy collection, Xenoblade HD, and other rereleases provide easy ways to fill out an otherwise barren release schedule. Wind Waker HD should have been one of many.
nintendo themselves have hundreds of games and many that never made it to the states. i don't think a vc-only box would be that great, but a vc service would be a fantastic addition to a console and handheld line. you're right though- it is something they would have to spend a lot of time and money on, and right now that isn't their focus.
the idea of the vc was pretty cool when it had the genesis, turbografx/pc-engine, and even more obscure stuff like the msx. i'm not sure what nintendo did to get nec, konami, sega, and other former first-parties on board, but it seems those are the types of third-parties nintendo's cool with now. and boy are there ever a lot of those games that never made it to the us.
agreed, especially on the hd ports front. given what they did with tww hd, i don't think they're content with just improving the graphics and sending it out- they want to fix problems with the game's design. and that's cool and everything, but the perception of having a bunch of games coming out, even if they're last-gen upgrades, is better than seeing nothing at all for months in a row.
Here's a pic of Reggie showing Sunny what he feels about 'em
Damn that Sunny Playstation
That's a pretty fat hand... But the neckbeard is perfect.
You do realize that it caught up to the WiiU which had a year head start right?
How does this fix their WiiU problem.
Shmuely Bully
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It's called HDMI CEC and it has been around for quite some time. I'm glad you're enjoying your console, but this kind of feature isn't exactly novel outside of Nintendo land and it's representative of how the Wii hurt Nintendo's prospects in the long-run by keeping them stuck in the past.
I think the wiiu implementation is way better. Mainly because it works. I tried hdmi cec on my ps4 with my Panny Plasma and it was a mess. I try to turn on my ps3 with it's controller, and it also auto turns on my ps4 as well, I would start up my 360 with the controller, hey my ps4 is turning on. Turn on wiiu, there goes the ps4 as well. And it would always change to the ps4 input, not what I wanted. Was much more trouble than help. Several times I would turn on the ps4 and it wouldnt turn on the tv or switch to the input. It was almost always doing the opposite of what I wanted. I dont know, maybe something was screwed up, but it just didnt work. Eventually had to switch the option off.
Also I am not sure how you can mannually adjust the volume, change inputs or channels with the ps4 controller, like the Wiiu. No it is is nothing revolutionary, but it has been extremely convienant.
So yes think it is novel, simple and user friendly.
Neff
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That post is less to do with persecution, since there are a very small fraction of Nintendo-only gamers on NeoGAF (and I highly doubt GrotesqueB is narrow-minded enough to be one of them) and more to do with flawed perspective and ugly double standard favouritism.
Everyone always seems to forget that Wii U sold 3 million units at launch, with sales tailing off due to a horrendously long drought.
If the Wii U hardware was on par with PS4 XBone, I think Nintendo would be in even bigger trouble than they are now. It's not selling poorly because it has weaker hardware, it is selling poorly because everyone still sees it as the family console or kids console. Devs don't want to put their games on it because they think the Wii U audience isn't the same audience as their game, players won't buy it because Nintendo=TEH Kiddiez.
This is just my opinion though, nothing will change no matter how powerful the hardware is inside Nintendo's consoles.
I recently had to explain to a friend of mine, a middle class guy in his 40's, pretty typical American male, what a Wii-U was. His son wanted one for Christmas, but he didn't even know what a Wii-U was. I explained to him that it was the new Nintendo console, and tha that the kid probably wants it for Mario 3D World. Hell, I got Nintendo a sale. I've never seen such brand confusion.
The name hurt way more, than a fucking product's name ever should!
Psycho_Mantis
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His point still stand that the PS4 is going to outsell the WiiU in 2 months despite the WiiU being on market for a year.
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Does this mean that Nintendo could have put out more technically competitive hardware after all?
And everyone who brings this point up always seems to forget that the Wii U only actually sold 2 million units at launch, with the other million sitting in warehouses or on store shelves. Funny that.
Neff
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Actually his point was that declaring Wii U 'dead' is vindicated by PS4 selling 30% more in the same release timeframe. PS4 may continue to sell as well (or with its own impending drought, and negative word of mouth regarding lack of features and bland software, it may not), but he's outright ignoring the fact that PS4's launch doesn't represent a significant comparative lead.
https://www.google.com/search?q=wii..._sm=122&espv=210&q=wii+u+3.06+million+shipped
Some say sold, some say shipped, I guess you can take your pick based on preference.
ElectricKaibutsu
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It's more simple than you give it credit for. It has nothing to do with HDMI CEC. It's just a universal remote built into the GamePad.
It doesn't represent anything other than a convenient feature really.
Nintendo just keeps doing what it does. It supports the system until the end of its life while trying to supplement the library with partnerships and small moneyhats. Nothing will change and nothing will be "learned" or "evolved" for the next generation.
Things that won't happen:
-A new console before 2018
-A new CEO/board
-Ending home console production
-Going 3rd party/mobile
Anyone expecting anything from the list above are either delusional or in the last case port begging like hell. That's the reality of things.
Things that won't happen:
-A new console before 2018
-A new CEO/board
-Ending home console production
-Going 3rd party/mobile
Anyone expecting anything from the list above are either delusional or in the last case port begging like hell. That's the reality of things.
Nintendo won't care hugely what the Playstation is doing. The interesting thread is going to be in a 6-9 months time:
'Now that UK retail has removed Wii U from stores, where does Nintendo go from here? And do other Euro countries follow?'
In the Twitter/Gaf/Reddit age, such a move would send the dominos tumbling pretty quickly, I think.
'Now that UK retail has removed Wii U from stores, where does Nintendo go from here? And do other Euro countries follow?'
In the Twitter/Gaf/Reddit age, such a move would send the dominos tumbling pretty quickly, I think.
BrokenEchelon
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Preach.
My daddy can beat up your daddy
MyBodyisReady
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So what if the PS4 caught up to sales that Nintendo could only make in a year. How does this affect you, as an individual, enjoying a console? I get that sales matter to the company...
But let the company deal with that instead of trying to predict a path that none of you have any decision making power towards.
The best you can do is buy a console, buy the games, or don't buy anything. I always get the feeling many people are anti-wii u because they simply cannot afford to purchase more than one console so they take their frustration out on the consoles they cannot afford. Everyone wants to feel like their purchase is justified so they look to others for validation it's the same concept behind sports teams and it's really quite silly.
Where does Nintendo go from here? Wherever they want. They could even become a card company again if they wanted to. But while they are a video company, I say this again I enjoy their games. Their games are fun and the amount they have sold has no impact directly on my enjoyment of the games.
And who knows, maybe in say...a year or two lightning could strike twice. Maybe they could find that "Wii Fit" or "Wii Sports" that catches fire and then puts them on top again.
But keep in mind, Nintendo has Pokemon so they are not going anywhere. If Nintendo needs a couple million that's all they ever have to do is brand something with that word (this is on top of the piles of money that they already have.)
But let the company deal with that instead of trying to predict a path that none of you have any decision making power towards.
The best you can do is buy a console, buy the games, or don't buy anything. I always get the feeling many people are anti-wii u because they simply cannot afford to purchase more than one console so they take their frustration out on the consoles they cannot afford. Everyone wants to feel like their purchase is justified so they look to others for validation it's the same concept behind sports teams and it's really quite silly.
Where does Nintendo go from here? Wherever they want. They could even become a card company again if they wanted to. But while they are a video company, I say this again I enjoy their games. Their games are fun and the amount they have sold has no impact directly on my enjoyment of the games.
And who knows, maybe in say...a year or two lightning could strike twice. Maybe they could find that "Wii Fit" or "Wii Sports" that catches fire and then puts them on top again.
But keep in mind, Nintendo has Pokemon so they are not going anywhere. If Nintendo needs a couple million that's all they ever have to do is brand something with that word (this is on top of the piles of money that they already have.)
I guess you're a bit like me in that it only takes a single great game to make a system worthwhile. P4G was the game that made me happy with my $300 Vita purchase. I hadn't finished any other game on it until Tearaway came along.
I'll probably wait at least until X until I totally give up on the U I suppose.
haha, me too. I have a ps4 and zero games for it. I even sold the packin killzone without opening it.
Goddamn I was a lot of money on gaming. Still, netflix is snappier than ps3/wiiu.
Shmuely Bully
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The two are absolutely related.
However dumb the specific arguments may sound, 'teh kiddiez' and similar are responses to there being a large chunk of the console market that Nintendo has entirely failed to cater to with their games and hardware. Having much weaker hardware (amongst other things) has hurt Nintendo's third-party support for a long time and that means that third-parties are often not present to address the gaps that Nintendo has in their lineup.
or their homes. I mean it is just a bunch of wood and nails and shit.
Nintendo needs 3rd party support that is the main thing. Other then that if they abandon the wii u and pull a sega then I will not support their next console. Sorry but wii u has potential saying it sucks because it does not have the best graphics and they should get rid of it is stupid. Sega did this with saturn, 32x and cd and where are that at now? Its only the first year of this gen and if you think that wii u is over then you also though that gamecube was also a bad console too. To me the Wii U is like the gamecube it will be in third but I do not care as long as nintendo can get good games on theirs and 3rd partys support it I will be happy. Plus I like the Idea of a console that focuses on local multiplayer , asymmetrical to boot too.
From Nintendo's balance sheet perspective, shipped = sold because they got paid whether or not those consoles are actually bought by customers.
The important number, however, is how many people spent their hard earned money to actually buy one. That is why both MS and Sony explicitly stated that their numbers were sold to consumers.
Say that again when the gamecube had better hardware the the PS2 or when the N64 had better hardware then the PS1. This the most powerful console does the best is bull shit. There has never been a generation where the most powerful console has one. Maybe the ps4 might break that cycle but nintendos problem is third party plain and simple.
plank
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You must have not been watching TV.
The way I see it, the WiiU's troubles stem from eminently fixable mistakes. Critics seem to want to bash the system in 2 contradictory ways. They want to say the marketing is bad (it doesn't make clear what the appeal of the system is) and they want to say it has been rejected by consumers (the console has intrinsically no appeal, or limited appeal). You cannot have it both ways.
I believe the WiiU does have consumer appeal, but it is difficult to convey this appeal. People that buy it think it is a great system. People that buy it are pleasantly surprised by elements they didn't consider when purchasing it - the convenience of off-TV play is a good example. Nintendo need to fix this problem - by releasing games that highlight the utility of the gamepad, or through better or more skilful and imaginative messaging in their commercials. That can be done.
There is too much emphasis on the significance of WiiU 3rd party support, and too little appreciation of 3rd party support that matters. The 3rd party support that matters on WiiU is EAs. Those missing sports games mean a lot to consumers, and it will drive people away. Other 3rd parties do not matter much, if at all. Much more than the other console manufacturers, Nintendo can support their own machine to profitability, with eShop indies contributing.
At the same time, the conditions in the wider gaming ecosystem - the increased cost, increased expectations, and worsening economy are all reducing the amount of 3rd party games being produced for the WiiU's competitors, and forcing companies into wider support that compromises next gen games. WiiU need only hold on - I don't see either the One or the PS4 having sustainable ecosystems for a long time, which means a lack of next gen exclusivity, which means compromised games, less games and safer games. The next 6 months are critical for the PS4 and One, and either of them could fail as their parent company is forced to reassess priorities. The gaming industry has been in the unhealthy habit of getting addicted to cash infusions from platform holders for exclusive platform or DLC. The "golden age" of 360/PS3 was the death of many middle sized studios, and the ante has been upped again. Who is left to crash out?
My point is, more than any other time, platform competition may disappear, and economic reality, more than anything else, may force 3rd parties to reassess their decisions. It is not a good time to be making console games.
It is increasingly looking like Iwata may be a casualty of the WiiU's problems, and will probably be moved around within the company, or given some extra oversight/scrutiny by an opaque internal board.
I believe the WiiU does have consumer appeal, but it is difficult to convey this appeal. People that buy it think it is a great system. People that buy it are pleasantly surprised by elements they didn't consider when purchasing it - the convenience of off-TV play is a good example. Nintendo need to fix this problem - by releasing games that highlight the utility of the gamepad, or through better or more skilful and imaginative messaging in their commercials. That can be done.
There is too much emphasis on the significance of WiiU 3rd party support, and too little appreciation of 3rd party support that matters. The 3rd party support that matters on WiiU is EAs. Those missing sports games mean a lot to consumers, and it will drive people away. Other 3rd parties do not matter much, if at all. Much more than the other console manufacturers, Nintendo can support their own machine to profitability, with eShop indies contributing.
At the same time, the conditions in the wider gaming ecosystem - the increased cost, increased expectations, and worsening economy are all reducing the amount of 3rd party games being produced for the WiiU's competitors, and forcing companies into wider support that compromises next gen games. WiiU need only hold on - I don't see either the One or the PS4 having sustainable ecosystems for a long time, which means a lack of next gen exclusivity, which means compromised games, less games and safer games. The next 6 months are critical for the PS4 and One, and either of them could fail as their parent company is forced to reassess priorities. The gaming industry has been in the unhealthy habit of getting addicted to cash infusions from platform holders for exclusive platform or DLC. The "golden age" of 360/PS3 was the death of many middle sized studios, and the ante has been upped again. Who is left to crash out?
My point is, more than any other time, platform competition may disappear, and economic reality, more than anything else, may force 3rd parties to reassess their decisions. It is not a good time to be making console games.
It is increasingly looking like Iwata may be a casualty of the WiiU's problems, and will probably be moved around within the company, or given some extra oversight/scrutiny by an opaque internal board.
Read this article to find out why Nintendo had less than stellar 3rd party support.
it had nothing to do with console power
You're pretty bold! I wouldn't call all of them games...
Everyone agrees that Bill Gates is a great businessman, Hiroshi Yamauchi said, but hes only human. There is one thing he knows nothing about, and thats games. If you know nothing about sumo, you cant expect to take on a Yokozuna I expect even in a years time theyll be able to see the consequences of this.
Wise words from Yamauchi sama. R.i.P.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Please tell me you genuinely don't believe the bold, Neff. There is no meaningful "negative word of mouth" on the PS4. Especially not when the darn thing is just selling out left right and centre.
People want to play their big third party games on new tech distanced from 7 years ago because many feel the time is right for the upgrade, and the PS4 is currently that system by and large. All third parties are showing up and enjoying good sales, and Sony's first party is obviously no slouch either. The market is speaking to what it wants and the floor isn't going to suddenly drop out of PS4 sales like it did with the essentially first party only WiiU. Hell, doubling the WiiU launch figures alone is a feat when you consider it wasnt a global launch either.
Or you could use actual facts: Nintendo only shipped 60k Wii U to North America in Q1, but they sold over 110k in the US alone over the same period. This discrepancy is due to the unsold units from launch finally being sold through, and proves beyond doubt that Nintendo uses shipment figures in its reports.
We have sales figures for the US, Japan and most of Europe that show the Wii U did not come anywhere near its shipped total at launch. Anyone who compares Wii U's 3.06 million figure to those of the PS4 and Xbox One (both of which were confirmed as sold to consumers) is being ignorant at best, or intellectually dishonest at worst.
Actually I wanted to buy WiiU at proper timing. But buying only for nintendo title is too risky for me. I don't want to see my console collecting dusts like wii. (dat software drown) Right now I'm not gonna buy wiiu even if Smash bros relese date has come. I'll buy wiiu at more long time later when its moore cheaper.
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Well, except for the part about Gates and company being able to see the consequences of not understanding games. X1 was/is a giant clusterfuck and its been what, 14 years since the original x1?
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