"Alive and well", and all I can think of is.........Kinect Sports Rivals?
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Now that the PS4 has already outsold the Wii U, where does Nintendo go from here?
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"Alive and well", and all I can think of is.........Kinect Sports Rivals?
Papacheeks
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When you say motion gaming what kind of gaming are you referring to?
If you mean mobile motion games, that is not applicable in what we are talking about.
We are talking home console gaming. Motion gaming outside of Dance games, Kinect sports and the such do not sell. Reason being gaming leisure activity like watching a great film. You don't go to 3D movie to try and touch the screen and interact with the movie. Your there to watch a spectacle, or a performance.
Just like we do in our experiences in video games, some of them give us a rush, some of them make us sad, some of them tell us life lessons and show us creativeness.
Motion games even with Oculus Rift, will never replace a controller or mouse and keyboard.
I agree for the most part, except I think they all need to act quickly. Consoles died last generation. The only thing left in that market is fans, regardless of which console you prefer. Digital distribution and mass produced cheap CPUs are the immediate future of games that are played by the masses. People here say this won't happen but it's already happened.
I remain interested because the upside of this is the wave of creativity that's coming out of these smaller teams, regardless of the platform it's on, whether indie or mobile.
I think Nintendo might be stubborn enough to continue to make their own games on their own hardware regardless of revenues/profit. I think Sony will sell the most systems this generation, but it's going to be less than we've seen in the past and the sales bar will be dropped. I'm not sure about Microsoft. They have crazy marketing that knows no boundaries or ethics. Mentalities like that will make you or break you.
Papacheeks
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Exactly my point.
Dance central, and motion mobile games are not what I call the pinnacle of gaming experiences.
Sparrowhawk
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I bought a Wii U and have Wind Waker and Wonderful 101. Two games. Oh, and Earthbound from the online store. I really hope that Nintendo's next console focuses a bit more on hardware. I love the gamepad, but I really wish they would bring back a regular controller.
Sho_Nuff82
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So your problem isn't with 3rd party games, just the platform they're on, gotcha.
Just Dance, Wii Party U, and Kinect Sports 3 are the only significant motion releases of the past year. I wouldn't call that "alive and well".
I don't want to be in the Nintendo bubble. Nintendo only fans scare me.
If you look at Gametrailer's top 10 games of 2013, 5 of them are Nintendo 1st party. Ni no kuni is a niche title we won't see in a Japan-less future and the other 4 are western AAA games which have zero appeal with me.
I respect those who are equally into GTA 5 and 3D World, but there are not many of you which we know since GC. Nintendo should take on the role as a publisher of software, where the system is just there to play its games. Not try to act as a platform holder.
James Sawyer Ford
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Sony is currently setting sales records for the PS4. I don't know how you've come to this conclusion that they need to act, or that they will somehow sell less PS4s than PS3s.
I don't think they will sell less than PS3s, but I do think they will sell less than the Wii.
moltonasty
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Go buy Mario 3d world, Pikmin 3, Nintendoland, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, Zombi U, Rayman Legends, and NES Remix immediately. What are you doing with your life?
James Sawyer Ford
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You realize the Wii hasn't sold all that much more than the PS3, and that the PS3 may end up overtaking the Wii's sales before it's off the market?
I don't see PS4 selling less than 100 million.
Yeah, no. With the decline the PS3 is seeing worldwide it'll be lucky to get within 10 million of the Wii.
And I do see the PS4 potentially selling under 100 mill. It's a long road and with what appears to be a decline in the market, it wouldn't surprise me if PS4 ends up under 100 mill (though I guess it could.)
That's interesting. In either case, total gaming-centric consoles sold will trend downwards.
DragonSworne
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Focus on QoL and license their IPs to other companies to make video games, cartoons, movies, and merchandise.
They'll have complete control of their IPS of course, but just have other companies do the work.
They'll have complete control of their IPS of course, but just have other companies do the work.
Why are you acting stupid
When I walk into a physical store and look at the PS4 library, you might as well replace the shelf with a huge sign that says "fuck off"
PSN has games that are aligned with my taste, but there is a platform on PC that is infinitely better suited for me.
James Sawyer Ford
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PS3 still has more price drops + emerging markets to sell in. Sales are declining, but it will still likely be on the market for a few more years and probably manage to sell a least a few million per year. Either way, it'll be close, and if Sony decides to pull the PS3 prematurely it's probably due to an inability to effectively cut costs.
I don't see any downward trajectory for the core console market (PS3 + 360) which is over 160 million over a generation. I see a slight upward climb, even, as this market has grown over time.
With PS4 being much more successful out of the gate, I see Sony receiving a large portion of the 160+ million core console market.
Get Zombi U, NSMBU or 3D World, Donkey Kong, Pikmin 3
And a Wii U Pro Controller. As regular as it gets.
moltonasty
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I think Nintendo can still come back next gen and be a contender...if they want to that is. They've essentially said they won't compete and want to do their own thing. But they can definitely appeal to a broader category than they do now. For example, I am constantly trying to persuade my gamer friends to buy a Wii U, and they all say the same thing: that they like Nintendo games, and know that they're high quality, but they are kind of tired of the same franchises from them, and that there isn't enough "mature" content coming from them. Sony, for example, makes platformers too. But they also invest in "mature" titles like God of War, Uncharted, etc. That's where the market is, for the most part. I've been told by many of these same friends that essentially, they'd buy a Wii U if they could get all the big third party games, mature titles, AND Nintendo games. But when the only thing a Nintendo console offers is, well, Nintendo games, then the value is just not there for more people. Not sure how representative of the overall potential market these people are, but it makes sense most would feel the same way.
If Nintendo can just realize that the way they're operating is not going to be good for future business, then ideally they could make a console future proof enough to contend with the competition in terms of power, and easy enough to program for 3rd party devs. But then again, Nintendo needs to cultivate an environment where 3rd party "mature" games can thrive. The more I think about it, the harder it seems for Nintendo to get out of this, but there's still potential. I don't know what the hell they're going to do next gen, but I can't wait to find out.
If Nintendo can just realize that the way they're operating is not going to be good for future business, then ideally they could make a console future proof enough to contend with the competition in terms of power, and easy enough to program for 3rd party devs. But then again, Nintendo needs to cultivate an environment where 3rd party "mature" games can thrive. The more I think about it, the harder it seems for Nintendo to get out of this, but there's still potential. I don't know what the hell they're going to do next gen, but I can't wait to find out.
Thunder Monkey
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On PS3... I just don't see it.
If Sony could cut the price by the amounts necessary to get PS3 over the bar they would have long before their holiday sales were impacted as badly as they have been. PS4 was designed to make PS3 production irrelevant. And this is where Sony is likely hedging their gaming oriented profits are going to come from. I expect it to be all but forgotten by the end of this year.
I'm hoping for the same with PS4. Well... I don't think they'll have the "hardcore" segment on lock, but I also don't really think they are a monolithic group of similar interests. Some particularly in the USA have friends that will likely buy a MS product leading to them doing the same. The XBL ecosystem (as predatory as it tends to be) is a genius move on their part. In the end I expect Sony to come out ahead of MS to the tune of 5-10 million units in America, but MS to have sold in the area of their 360 unit total.
Not sure why this is turning into a Wii vs PS3 battle. PS3 was my favorite last gen. I wouldn't be mad if the PS3 sold the most at all. I love games of all types, although I tend to like games to be games and not so much cinema. Going back to the threads premise, right now Nintendo is providing what I consider many good gaming experiences at a reasonable price, so I don't really think Nintendo needs to change anything more than anyone else does.
Also I hope you're right regarding the trajectory of the core console market. It's just not the reality I'm seeing outside of gaming forums.
rokkerkory
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Pretty soon X1 will outsell it as well.
Nintendo needs a reboot big time. I am thinking they will release some games on IOS/Android. Not the core games like Mario but other games.
Nintendo needs a reboot big time. I am thinking they will release some games on IOS/Android. Not the core games like Mario but other games.
Ken Masters
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What's "coming soon" for Wii U? Mario Kart? Smash Bros. has no release date yet.
This drought of games is just like 2013 all over again for Nintendo
This drought of games is just like 2013 all over again for Nintendo
James Sawyer Ford
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Regarding the PS3, we'll see. I also think that, like you said, Sony will just cut the PS3 entirely (due to not being able to effectively cut costs), and focus their attention on making the PS4 more of a success rather than spreading themselves too thin.
Either way it will probably sell no less than 90 million, which is still pretty close to the Wii.
I completely disagree about the Xbox One sales. I don't see how they get to 80 million if they end up getting outsold (or just break even) in major regions like the UK and US.
A 100 million to 60 million split is a best case scenario for Xbox One, and worst case scenario for PS4 in my view.
Seriously, but at least some big things are coming?
Honestly, the Wii U has probably fallen behind PS4 because of the JP launch, the number we got in december was shipped.
Richardbro
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The Nintendo hate around here lately is disgusting. I criticize them more than the next guy for their faults and wrong doings, but not to the point of console war garbage that I'm seeing here as of late.
KingJ2002
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My guess... they ride out the Wii U by supporting the platform with exclusive titles and indie support while getting ready for their next iteration of handheld / console combo with the new unified OS.
Nintendo doesn't need a ton of games... they just need the best and aim to be the niche console in homes... it will be the Nintendo 64 all over again... except without the user base.
Nintendo doesn't need a ton of games... they just need the best and aim to be the niche console in homes... it will be the Nintendo 64 all over again... except without the user base.
Jazzy Network
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Price drop would be nice. If it drops to 200 anytime soon I'd consider getting one.
Play-Stay-Tion
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nintendoomed threads everywhere these days. also titanfall threads everywhere
cartman414
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Yep. Worked reeeeeal well for Sega.
Nintendo would take a huge hit in profits in the long term for the following reasons: 1) not having autonomy due to being a 3rd party, 2) having to optimize for different platforms, 3) taking a cut on profits for 3rd party royalty fees, and 4) in the case of mobile, they would have to target the freemium market.
I actually think the whole QOL thing makes sense for a video game company, particularly health and fitness. Part of health & fitness is keeping the user engaged, and video game designers have a lot of experience doing this. Someone just has to combine it with fitness technology. Nintendo already kind of has with pedometers.
Imagine taking the pedometer idea to the extent of something like Nike's mobile apps. Hell, imagine Nintendo working on something WITH Nike. I think the most obvious idea is combining arcade gaming with gym fitness. Other than DDR I've never actually seen anyone try to do this.
The problem is, improving the control interface of console gaming has pretty much been Nintendo's shtick since they released the NES and Game & Watch. It's a big part of how they stayed relevant and a big part of the appeal of their hardware, or at least the initial appeal. I think in some capacity Nintendo will keep trying to do this. I actually hope someone does. I don't want to keep playing with the same controllers for all time. It's just a matter of creating something the market will accept. In the past accepted innovations have been relatively small and relatively cheap, but added substantially to the gameplay experience without taking anything away.
Imagine taking the pedometer idea to the extent of something like Nike's mobile apps. Hell, imagine Nintendo working on something WITH Nike. I think the most obvious idea is combining arcade gaming with gym fitness. Other than DDR I've never actually seen anyone try to do this.
The problem is, improving the control interface of console gaming has pretty much been Nintendo's shtick since they released the NES and Game & Watch. It's a big part of how they stayed relevant and a big part of the appeal of their hardware, or at least the initial appeal. I think in some capacity Nintendo will keep trying to do this. I actually hope someone does. I don't want to keep playing with the same controllers for all time. It's just a matter of creating something the market will accept. In the past accepted innovations have been relatively small and relatively cheap, but added substantially to the gameplay experience without taking anything away.
James Sawyer Ford
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Unlike Sega, Nintendo has some massive IP. They'd be fine transitioning to third party.
Aaron Strife
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They'll ride out the Wii U and release a new console in 2016.
deltatheta
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Sonic is an IP just about as big as most of Nintendo's stuff and I don't think it helped them very much after they went 3rd party. I don't think it's a controversial opinion that Sega's Sonic games as a third party aren't even close to the same level as to the ones they made as a first party.
cartman414
Member
This.
If anyone thinks Nintendo is overly reliant on the same top 3 franchises right now, well, that's nothing compared to what they'd be forced into if they went 3rd party.
DigitalDevilSummoner
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Doesn't really matter, I don't think I have ever seen a more rapid decline than that of the Wii. The PS3 might end up being several million units behind but it has been a far more healthy console.
The Iwata hate around here lately is justified.
jfoul
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Nintendo wanted to ride the success of the Wii, which is understandable considering Nintendo's console track record. The Wii was the first Nintendo console to not have a declining user base since the NES. Naming the new console Wii U was probably a mistake, but the confusion surrounding the product was worse before and during release.
I think Nintendo needs to stick this out, and support the system for a minimum of four years before moving on. Add value to to Wii U package, and shake up the marketing. Releasing new IP's, and resurrecting old ones would also be nice.
I think Nintendo needs to stick this out, and support the system for a minimum of four years before moving on. Add value to to Wii U package, and shake up the marketing. Releasing new IP's, and resurrecting old ones would also be nice.
pieatorium
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So for US you think basically ps4 replaces wii but with slightly higher sales, xbox stays the same and wiiu replaces ps3 but with a much lower total than ps3 managed?
hydragonwarrior
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I think consoles still have a place so long as:
EA Sports
Call of Duty
GTA
Games still exist. If GTA is capable of making that much money from a console base, then devs will make sure consoles remain a viable platform.
The Wii is estimated at around 20 or so million more sold than the PS3 worldwide. If sales stay as they are, the ps3 would need two or 3 more years to sell that many consoles. It's a moot point.
Really, my current question with Nintendo is why there isn't there a Nintendo Studios yet? Hasbro, WWE, and Marvel all have or, in the case of Marvel, had independent television and film studios designed specifically to promote their IPs and unlike other major video game companies, Nintendo actually cares about their own IPs and their IPs are fairly well-known. It seems like a perfect idea for Nintendo to create Nintendo Studios to promote their video game properties like Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon with their primary mission amounting to them noticing that very few video game film and television adaptations are good, but vowing to change that with their own properties by overseeing adaptations themselves. Just looking at Marvel will do Nintendo favors as that was a company know a fairly niche industry that ended up very successful in leveraging their IPs in other forms of media beyond the niche they are known for. Nintendo could easily do that also.
At this point, and with the upcoming lineup, I guess even that would not be enough. $99-150 perhaps.
if they were bought by Disney.
If it is not free, I won't get one!!!
Im not talking about you but the general audience. It's been repeatedly shown that even at 200 the Wii U didn't sell.
It's crazy to me that the main reason people don't buy the Wii U is the "lack of games" when the PS4 has overtaken it already with an incredibly inferior games lineup in terms of exclusives.
Are people really that eager to play a slightly improved version of the latest yearly rehash of FIFA or CoD? Apparently so, which is a shame IMO. Great unique games like the Wonderful 101 get left behind. Thank god PC gaming still exists, without a lot of these indie developers there would be next to nothing left but these "AAA" rehashes.
Are people really that eager to play a slightly improved version of the latest yearly rehash of FIFA or CoD? Apparently so, which is a shame IMO. Great unique games like the Wonderful 101 get left behind. Thank god PC gaming still exists, without a lot of these indie developers there would be next to nothing left but these "AAA" rehashes.
lack of potential games. Everyone knows that the vast majority of AAA games will land on XB1 and/or PS4. With Nintendo, we know we're getting MK, Zelda, X, and some other stuff, and that's about it.
Yeah, I can't believe they want cod over something fresh like a Mario side scroller or remake of a gamecube Zelda.
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