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Official 2004 Summer Olympics Thread
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AstroLad said:
I'm not saying he's doing a perfect job (I'd be playing Bron a hell of a lot more then fucking Marbury), but to say his hype is BS because he's not winning with one of the most ill-conceived lineups ever put together for a basketball tournament is a little too conveniant.
Put it this way...where were you with these thoughts two months ago? At least I know some people were saying that RJ and Marbury were a joke long before the Olympic games began.
Swordian said:
I call it bullshit...fucking NBC.
People need to chill with this whole "OMG YOU SPOILED IT ASSHOLE!!" business. When you see "LIVE" in the corner of the screen, the general assumption is that it's live throughout the country, as it is for almost every other sporting event that's shown by the networks. Logically speaking, no one's gonna think that it's being tape delayed out west. That's because most of us deal in the realm of logic, while NBC deals in the realm of complete and utter stupidity.
DMczaf said:Woo! We advance by default!
Default! Default! Default!
The Chosen One said:
Heh, tell me about it.
And WTF...our first gold medal is in men's floor excercises? Sheesh.
Since NBC hasn't shown the women's hurdles heats yet, I guess I won't spoil them. Let's just say there was a development.
Currently feeling pissed for Women's Beach Volleyball for the Canadians...rape at the hands of Misty May, I tell you. Figurative rape.
And those women's hurdle heats went great from a Canadian perspective...superbly great.
Man...outside of a gold medal, this was an absolutely shitty day for Canada. Far and away, an absolutely terrible disappointment, with two expected medal events (Platform Diving and Mens 8's (Rowing)) proving to be utter failures for Canadians.
And those women's hurdle heats went great from a Canadian perspective...superbly great.
Man...outside of a gold medal, this was an absolutely shitty day for Canada. Far and away, an absolutely terrible disappointment, with two expected medal events (Platform Diving and Mens 8's (Rowing)) proving to be utter failures for Canadians.
andthebeatgoeson
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Thank the lord for the Cuban woman's team volleyball players. Hot!
andthebeatgoeson
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I'm sorry. I tried but only found small thumbnails. Goddamn it, the interweb fails me.
Not Cuban but nice. I guess.
You got the right one, Babeeee!!! Unh hunh!!!
Not Cuban but nice. I guess.
You got the right one, Babeeee!!! Unh hunh!!!
andthebeatgoeson
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Ripclawe said:congrats to Joe Dumars for winning the 100M final!
Hopefully the US Women's volleyball team has learned to make more use of Logan Tom. She was obviously better than anyone on the Cuban team, let alone the US team.
And while people have been talking about Canada's woes at Athens, what's with Mexico? Correct me if I'm wrong, but they don't seem to have won any medals at all. Did they forget to send a team this year? They can't use the 'don't have any money, don't have any facilities' excuse. Just do like most other countries do, send them to train in the US, so they can compete for your country later. It's always so weird when you find out how many foreign atheletes actually train in the US. Just to use an example: "So and so from Belarus won the gold!" You think, ah, a product of the Belarus system. "And here she is hugging her coach at the University of Kansas."
At any rate, things seem to be going well for most. China's made some missteps the past few days, but they've still got a lot of medals. For awhile, I thought Australia was going to be blown out of the top 5 by Germany and Japan. But currently it looks like only Germany has that chance (though Japan is still doing great, especially with gold medals). And Ukraine and Romania are doing well.
And while people have been talking about Canada's woes at Athens, what's with Mexico? Correct me if I'm wrong, but they don't seem to have won any medals at all. Did they forget to send a team this year? They can't use the 'don't have any money, don't have any facilities' excuse. Just do like most other countries do, send them to train in the US, so they can compete for your country later.
It's always so weird when you find out how many foreign atheletes actually train in the US. Just to use an example: "So and so from Belarus won the gold!" You think, ah, a product of the Belarus system. "And here she is hugging her coach at the University of Kansas." At any rate, things seem to be going well for most. China's made some missteps the past few days, but they've still got a lot of medals. For awhile, I thought Australia was going to be blown out of the top 5 by Germany and Japan. But currently it looks like only Germany has that chance (though Japan is still doing great, especially with gold medals). And Ukraine and Romania are doing well.
I agree. I feel bad for her. And that Canadian at the platform diving event.
LOL
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...22/bc.olympics.gymnastics.khorkina/index.html
--Russia's Svetlana Khorkina, who was second to American Carly Patterson in the women's all-round gymnastics competition, has accused the judges of robbing her of the gold medal and said "everything was decided in advance."
--"I practically did everything right, still they just set me up and fleeced me," she said in the interview published on Saturday.
Asked why she felt she was marked down by the judges, Khorkina said: "You better ask them. I think it's because I'm from Russia, not from America!"
--Khorkina did not think Patterson was a deserving winner.
Asked if the American was a worthy opponent, she said: "I've seen a much tougher opposition than her. Let's see how long she can remain on top. Can she keep going and compete in two more Olympics like myself."
"Can she keep going and compete in two more Olympics like myself."
She won't have to. She won gold on her first try.=P
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...22/bc.olympics.gymnastics.khorkina/index.html
--Russia's Svetlana Khorkina, who was second to American Carly Patterson in the women's all-round gymnastics competition, has accused the judges of robbing her of the gold medal and said "everything was decided in advance."
--"I practically did everything right, still they just set me up and fleeced me," she said in the interview published on Saturday.
Asked why she felt she was marked down by the judges, Khorkina said: "You better ask them. I think it's because I'm from Russia, not from America!"
--Khorkina did not think Patterson was a deserving winner.
Asked if the American was a worthy opponent, she said: "I've seen a much tougher opposition than her. Let's see how long she can remain on top. Can she keep going and compete in two more Olympics like myself."
"Can she keep going and compete in two more Olympics like myself."
She won't have to. She won gold on her first try.=P
Owned!jiggle said:
I didn't get her "She got it because she was American" line. Seems to me, that in the gymnastics world, the benefit of the doubt would go to the Russians, considering that they used to be so dominant for so long. And Svetlana was given the benefit of the doubt (though probably because she was a veteran, not because she is Russian) on one of her routines (I think it was uneven bars) in the AA. She got a better score than what she deserved from what the commentators said and even she looked like she was relieved when she got such a high score for the routine. At any rate, she competed and got medals in three Olympics, so she's certainly had a better career than most.But I must say, it is nice that the Americans have come up so much over the past decade. Used to be it was always Russia and Romania switching off from first and second place, with anyother country except the US getting third. Used to, just getting a medal was a feat. Now the US can legitimately expect golds in gymnastics if they perform at their best (which didn't happen in the women's team event. Still, their not-quite-best performance was good enough for silver).
She got overscored on AA, and underscored on Vault. It evened out. Now, about the U.S. Gymnastics team rise -- that's not what I would call it. It's the decline of the Russians and the former Soviet bloc. The playing field is being lowered, so naturally some teams go up.
yah i though that vault score was pretty low, even though the nbc commentator woman who clearly hates khorkina (i was about to punch them in the face through the tv everytime they mentioned khorkina's "sordid" history) thought it was fair. ditto on the fall of eastern europe. they just don't have the money anymore. despite all the bullshit about the half-indian girl who has to work at starbucks (OH NOS) the american gymno teams are extremely well funded.Stele said:
NetMapel said:
I'm not sure but I think China is fielding one of the youngest team out there at the moment, so some of their athletes might not be the most experienced. They still have plenty of gold medals, but medal winners or not, all the Chinese athletes speak of Beijing 2008. That's their real goal, Athens' may just be a rehersal.
Timbuktu said:
Nope. This is the same team as in Worlds 2003. They are more experienced then you think. The men's team is the same team that dominated 2001 and 2003 Worlds by 2.0 plus whole points. (In gymnastics, that gap is huge).
The problem is that the Chinese teams are like fine china, they can't recover from a fall. Once they fall everything crashes down. Sort of a take all or nothing for the men.
Stele said:
That couldn't be any further from the truth. Gymnastics is harder and stricter judging leaves no room for error. The reason you see so many other countries is because the coaches from former gymnastic super powers have migrated and spread their expertise around the world.
Carly Patterson coach is actually a russian coach, Evgeny Marchenko from the former Soviet gymnastic super power.
This goes without saying, Marta who heads the selection camp and central US training facility and Bela Karolyi of the former Romanian empire.
The Brazillians in the past four years have been a force because of the Ukrainian coach Oleg Ostapenko. Think Gutsu and Podkopayeva era.
The reason so many teams factor in is because of the new format, 6-3-3. Where only 3 gymnast compete per event per team and all scores count. None of this drop the lowest scores from the past. Meaning there is no margin for error. One error, and you can kiss a gold good bye. The US knows this first hand. Since only 3 gymnast for each event, all you need are 3 really good gymnast on each event, instead of 5. That makes a world of a difference for other competing countries..
The US is a major factor because they have a rush in good gymnast left and right. Just like any other country. Russia is in a drought at the moment just like the US pre Syndey. China's female team is still pleagued by poor vaulting and floor like they've been for ages. The men just have to keep it together.
The officials in this olympics are a complete joke, in the mens individual equipment for gymnastics tonight, some guy did an amazing routine, got a crappy score, the crowd boo'd and wouldnt stop even when the next competitor got onto the apparatus, so the judges went back and raised his score!
Add this to the equestrian fiasco (they took two gold medals away from a rider for an infringement, then she appealed so they gave them back, then 2 days later they decided they were right the first time and took them away again) and the 2 Greek athletes, its been a total joke from a judicial stand point.
Great to watch though, ive never watched so much of the olympics before.
Add this to the equestrian fiasco (they took two gold medals away from a rider for an infringement, then she appealed so they gave them back, then 2 days later they decided they were right the first time and took them away again) and the 2 Greek athletes, its been a total joke from a judicial stand point.
Great to watch though, ive never watched so much of the olympics before.
Ghost said:
That depends. Was there a deduction made for an error that wasn't there? Or was his start value wrong? (As in the case with the Korean gymnast).
Gymnastics is a difficult sport to judge. The deductions part is ok. Its the technical people that have the hard time. They are the Panel A judges. They have to write down EVERY MOVE AND TRICK you pull out credit you; This the panel most susceptible to error.
In addition, in the event finals if there is no visible error then its a pain. Because then it becomes a qualitative assessment which obviously not everyone will agree with. And if no visible errors, you can't give them full credit in the event finals if its from a 10 start value. Because even if the routines have the 10 start value, doesn't mean one isn't better then the other. Especially if the next person does it.
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jiggle said:
She's always rather pissy if she doesn't win. Back in 2000 when Russia won a silver after the medal ceremony when they were walking off she took off her medal because she was ashamed of it. This was her last time at the Olympics so she was going to turn up the crying a bit. Besides, it's not like she's that Korean gymnast who really was robbed of his medal (although it's not because of a US bias, it's a screw up on the judges part).
there was a huge uproar from canadians about mens vaulting (gymnastic) where the dude who won gold on the mat ended up taking a good jump and hopped but that's it. then the next dude does a vault does a good jump but when landing he falls to his hands and goes out of bounds then gets a higher score resulting in a bronze medal getting completely robbed from Canada. I figured it wasn't that bad but when I saw the footage, Canada got a medal completely STOLEN. Maybe they should stop dope-testing the athletes and start testing the judges.
SolidSnakex
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Seriously, who is that announcer who was essentially ripping the Korean gymnast through his entire routine? Basically blaming him for the whole situation. It's not his fault the judges f'cked up (and then did it again tonight). He seemed to accept the mess up for Namov, but for the Korean gymnast he seemed to think that he should've just accepted what he was giving. I liked it how the other 2 announcers were completely quite while he was saying all the crap, almost like they didn't want to be associated with anything he was trying to say.
Indeed, the scoring for these gymnastics has just been really screwed up on all fronts. The problem is, how the hell could you possibly fix it? Add video review? It'd certainly take a longer amount of time, and it would most assuredly be put into place for everything from gymnastics to diving. I guess that's the best solution though, although at some point it would get really tricky as to what, if anything, is even subjectively scored.
But hey, you have to hand it to Nemov for being classy about it. No doubt he's pretty disappointed, if not angry, but at least he accepted the first ruling and final ruling as graciously as can be expected.
But hey, you have to hand it to Nemov for being classy about it. No doubt he's pretty disappointed, if not angry, but at least he accepted the first ruling and final ruling as graciously as can be expected.
Hopefully this fiasco in the men's high bar competition will start the cleaning house of the gymnastics judges. It's clearly needed. That Malaysian judge has apparently been a boob through the whole competition and that Canadian judge wasn't much better as far as the high bar event went. Alexei Nemow had a terrific performance should have have at least gotten silver (I think the gold medal winner may have done a better routine). Still, I remember Nemov from way back in the Atlanta Olympics and he's always been a great champion. It was wonderful that the crowd was behind him so much. And I feel a little sorry for Paul Hamm. It must be bad having to perform in a situation like that (of which he didn't have a part, all the judges' stupidity).
As for as the Korean competitor goes, I think the announcer should have discerned the difference between the gymnast himself being whiny and his national sport organization. As far as I know, the gymnast himself hasn't really said much about the situation. Like one poster said here, it's the Korean national sports organization that gets so whiny in international competition.
As for the Chinese gymnasts, you never know with them. They're always superhyped before every big competition, they're just going to destroy everybody, but they either do great in them or they make Australia look like the world's best gymnasts. There's no inbetween for the Chinese teams.
And let me say YAY! for Kerri Walsh and Misty May beating McPeak/Young.
As for as the Korean competitor goes, I think the announcer should have discerned the difference between the gymnast himself being whiny and his national sport organization. As far as I know, the gymnast himself hasn't really said much about the situation. Like one poster said here, it's the Korean national sports organization that gets so whiny in international competition.
As for the Chinese gymnasts, you never know with them. They're always superhyped before every big competition, they're just going to destroy everybody, but they either do great in them or they make Australia look like the world's best gymnasts.
There's no inbetween for the Chinese teams.And let me say YAY! for Kerri Walsh and Misty May beating McPeak/Young.
Nemov on the matter: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5800422/
Spiritreaver
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While I'm not very knowledge on gymnastics, I think anyone can tell that the judges, especially this year, are disgraceful. I don't understand at all what was going through their minds when they were working the scores. Perhaps the second time around they were too worried about screwing up to pay attention to the actual athletes (yeah right), but seriously what are they paying these guys for? And it's even worse to put Paul Hamm in a situation to label the troubles is even worse. But meh, NBC isn't even making people feel better about it. Media and its damn negativity.
In other news, the 400m was great, an entire sweep for America? Amazing. Track has always been one of my favorites to watch next to gymnastics and wrestling. Womens beach volleyball has ainterested me quite bit as well lately. I also enjoyed the US team's match against Brazil in indoor volleyball (whatever it's called).
Oh, and out of curiosity, I haven't been paying attention to schedules and tried to look for it the other day, but when does mens wrestling start and what channel is going to air the majority of matches? I noticed that womens has taken off a couple of days ago, so I can only assume mens will start up soon.
In other news, the 400m was great, an entire sweep for America? Amazing. Track has always been one of my favorites to watch next to gymnastics and wrestling. Womens beach volleyball has ainterested me quite bit as well lately. I also enjoyed the US team's match against Brazil in indoor volleyball (whatever it's called).
Oh, and out of curiosity, I haven't been paying attention to schedules and tried to look for it the other day, but when does mens wrestling start and what channel is going to air the majority of matches? I noticed that womens has taken off a couple of days ago, so I can only assume mens will start up soon.
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