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DopeyFish said:
Thanks a bunch, I can't believe NBC's site slipped my mind, it's going to be on MSNBC live overnight so I'll have to stay up and watch it.
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Thanks a bunch, I can't believe NBC's site slipped my mind, it's going to be on MSNBC live overnight so I'll have to stay up and watch it.
SolidSnakex
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"As for as the Korean competitor goes, I think the announcer should have discerned the difference between the gymnast himself being whiny and his national sport organization. As far as I know, the gymnast himself hasn't really said much about the situation. Like one poster said here, it's the Korean national sports organization that gets so whiny in international competition."
I don't think either should be really put to blame. All they're doing is trying to get their gymnast the medal that he deserved, any country would do that. They aren't asking for Hamm's medal to be taken away, they've even said that they want him to keep it, but they want their gymnast to have a gold medal also.
That guy is no better than all those people ripping Hamm for getting the gold medal. It's neither of their faults, it's the judges and that's where the blame should be. Going by what went on tonight, plus everything else that went on there should be alot of changes made.
I don't think either should be really put to blame. All they're doing is trying to get their gymnast the medal that he deserved, any country would do that. They aren't asking for Hamm's medal to be taken away, they've even said that they want him to keep it, but they want their gymnast to have a gold medal also.
That guy is no better than all those people ripping Hamm for getting the gold medal. It's neither of their faults, it's the judges and that's where the blame should be. Going by what went on tonight, plus everything else that went on there should be alot of changes made.
Did everyone miss the point that the announcer made about the Korean's routine? I heard about it earlier today on talk radio, but took it with a grain of salt. It seems the caller was dead on though.
Apparently, you can only do three "holds" in the routine, but the Korean did four? I don't know the rules, and have no idea why you can only do three holds, but apparently that's a rule. The penalty for doing more than the limit of holds in 2 tenths of a point, which would more than make up for the start value problem.
What's everyone's take on that? Did anyone see the NBC announcer break down the Korean's routine?
Apparently, you can only do three "holds" in the routine, but the Korean did four? I don't know the rules, and have no idea why you can only do three holds, but apparently that's a rule. The penalty for doing more than the limit of holds in 2 tenths of a point, which would more than make up for the start value problem.
What's everyone's take on that? Did anyone see the NBC announcer break down the Korean's routine?
DJ_Tet said:
No and with good reason. Because if they go back and change that score. Everyone is going to be accusing everyone of getting to high scores which opens the door to people accusing of getting too low scores.
The real culprit is, the FIG, they're being a jerks by not going in and fixing it, especially the president of the FIG. He was trying to wipe his hands clean by making notions that its up to Paul Hamm to give back the medal. Only saying "Paul hamm.." then going quiet and making motions of taking a medal off and handing it over. This is bullshit as the FIG f'ed up and are wiping their hands clean. Thats the real issue. They are completely classless in handling the situation.
People being hard on the gymnast are the blind fans really.
But if they go back and change the score now, when it's known he should have had a .2 deduction, what does that solve? It seems to me that he lost no matter what. I feel bad that the judges f'ed up on the starting score, but apparently they f'ed up on his overall score as well. How does that have to do with the FIG?
I'm pretty sure it's out of the FIG's hands as far as taking Hamm's medal away anyway. Seems like perhaps he earned the medal dispite all the mistakes. Where is that in the papers? Will it be there today?
I'm pretty sure it's out of the FIG's hands as far as taking Hamm's medal away anyway. Seems like perhaps he earned the medal dispite all the mistakes. Where is that in the papers? Will it be there today?
The very problem with judged sports is the judging itself. Having someone not on the playfield have influence upon the results of the athletic competition is always bad. Overzealous officiating in the NBA scars the game of basketball. Judging is lame, All these anal rules are lame.
I got pissed when I saw a female highdiver get penalized for walking while in a handstand. What's the difference? Hell, I'm more impressed that she could walk around in a handstand. Does it really change anything or give her an advantage if she walks? She's on her frikkin hands! If she does a handstand dance, fuck it, give her 2 extra points not take away 2 points. Only three holds? Do more and get penalized? Competition and sportsmanship and all that is fun about sports is about going out there and one upping the guy or girl before you. It's breaking records, scoring more points, its raising the bar a little. What fun is it if the bar is restricted?
I got pissed when I saw a female highdiver get penalized for walking while in a handstand. What's the difference? Hell, I'm more impressed that she could walk around in a handstand. Does it really change anything or give her an advantage if she walks? She's on her frikkin hands! If she does a handstand dance, fuck it, give her 2 extra points not take away 2 points. Only three holds? Do more and get penalized? Competition and sportsmanship and all that is fun about sports is about going out there and one upping the guy or girl before you. It's breaking records, scoring more points, its raising the bar a little. What fun is it if the bar is restricted?
SolidSnakex
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"But if they go back and change the score now, when it's known he should have had a .2 deduction, what does that solve?"
He wasn't penalized for it though. A mistake is something you can overlook, this wasn't a mistake. They simply didn't judge him for the skill level he was performing on, if they would've then he'd won. If they go back and take away points for that mistake, then they're introducing having to go back and look over the entire competition for every single small mistake that might've been made. Just give him a gold, and the entire thing is over with. It's going to get alot more messy if they don't give him the gold (and the US, Korea and IOC officials have all agreed that he should get it).
He wasn't penalized for it though. A mistake is something you can overlook, this wasn't a mistake. They simply didn't judge him for the skill level he was performing on, if they would've then he'd won. If they go back and take away points for that mistake, then they're introducing having to go back and look over the entire competition for every single small mistake that might've been made. Just give him a gold, and the entire thing is over with. It's going to get alot more messy if they don't give him the gold (and the US, Korea and IOC officials have all agreed that he should get it).
etiolate said:
In this case, holds are significant. Especially when your getting credit for connecting moves from one to the other. The connections have to be smooth one right after the other without hesitation. On parallel bars, a hold especially in the handstand postion is a breather for a gymnast at this level. A handstand on parallel bars is the first thing you learn and is the only chance the gymnast gets for a breather.
Think of it as taking to many breaks between moves. Its one of the things that goes into the composition of the routine. Design it to achieve the maximum difficulty while at the same time clever enough to give you situations where you can take a second to relax, think, and prepare for the next move. Offcourse the "breathers" aren't obvious to the common spectator since the move where they'd be getting the breather would a feat to accomplish for the common joe.
But thats not the point.
The point they're making is, if you go back to re-score the same event, you also have to take into account the negatives that weren't taken into the final score. They are going back to give him a point he should have received, however, they would also take away points that that should have been deducted. The issue here is really the FIG and what a complete screw up of a job they've done to handle the situation and the judging in MAG.
SolidSnakex said:
USAG has said nothing of the sort. All USAG and KOF have done is on their part is just diplomatic talks to agree that having co-champions is the better solution. USAG is standing behind Paul, they have said nothing of the sort that Paul should of not been the champion.
Rules are rules. Shit happens, in all of athletics. It seems in careful watching of his routine, he had .2 deductions that weren't taken. How can you justify fixing one error while letting another error just sit there?
The judges f'ed up, no one is denying that. Seems they f'ed up in more than one part.
Why can't people do four holds? I don't know, got to draw the line somewhere I guess. Rules are rules. Sometimes people/teams get screwed. Life isn't fair, seems like a good lesson to learn at the Olympics.
edit: Paul Hamm can't be stripped of his Gold. The only way he'll lose his gold is if he gives it up voluntarily, which he said he wouldn't do because it goes against the judges. Nothing is cut and dry, and it seems the more that the South Korean's cry about the starting point, the more they find wrong with the routine. Should have just let it go.
Worked out pretty well for Roy Jones Jr.
The judges f'ed up, no one is denying that. Seems they f'ed up in more than one part.
Why can't people do four holds? I don't know, got to draw the line somewhere I guess. Rules are rules. Sometimes people/teams get screwed. Life isn't fair, seems like a good lesson to learn at the Olympics.
edit: Paul Hamm can't be stripped of his Gold. The only way he'll lose his gold is if he gives it up voluntarily, which he said he wouldn't do because it goes against the judges. Nothing is cut and dry, and it seems the more that the South Korean's cry about the starting point, the more they find wrong with the routine. Should have just let it go.
Worked out pretty well for Roy Jones Jr.
SolidSnakex
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"How can you justify fixing one error while letting another error just sit there?"
Because 1 isn't an error that should be made. You should know the level of difficulty on a routine because the score rides on that level of difficulty. If you knock a point off when it's not suppose to be, you can potentially ruin that persons chance of winning. The other is simply a mistake you might or might not notice it. Everyone has mistakes in their routine that you can take points off. So if they were to do that, then you're going to have other people coming up saying "Well if you're going to take off for him, then look at this tape, X person messed up too!".
"USAG is standing behind Paul, they have said nothing of the sort that Paul should of not been the champion."
That's what i'm saying . They've all agreed that Hamm should keep his medal, but the Korean gymnast should be awarded one too. Similar to what happened to the Canadian figure skaters in 2002 when they were awarded another medal instead of taking away the Russians. The reason this could get messy is because if he isn't awarded that 2nd medal, Korea is taking it to the courts where Hamm can be stripped of that medal.
Because 1 isn't an error that should be made. You should know the level of difficulty on a routine because the score rides on that level of difficulty. If you knock a point off when it's not suppose to be, you can potentially ruin that persons chance of winning. The other is simply a mistake you might or might not notice it. Everyone has mistakes in their routine that you can take points off. So if they were to do that, then you're going to have other people coming up saying "Well if you're going to take off for him, then look at this tape, X person messed up too!".
"USAG is standing behind Paul, they have said nothing of the sort that Paul should of not been the champion."
That's what i'm saying . They've all agreed that Hamm should keep his medal, but the Korean gymnast should be awarded one too. Similar to what happened to the Canadian figure skaters in 2002 when they were awarded another medal instead of taking away the Russians. The reason this could get messy is because if he isn't awarded that 2nd medal, Korea is taking it to the courts where Hamm can be stripped of that medal.
SolidSnakex said:
Two independent judges ruled the starting point at 9.9, the head judge agreed with their assessment. Three judges missed a fourth hold that is an automatic .2 deduction. I don't see how error one is greater than error two. In my mind, error 2 is much easier/less objective to spot, yet it wasn't. Hell I can count holds up to three, but I can't tell a starting value for shit. The starting point can be argued up until the beginning of the next rotation. SK is saying they protested but were told to wait till the end of the competition. The SK team should know that was bull, if they weren't lying.
Either way, what's more subjective, a starting point for scores being a 10.0 or a 9.9, or a member doing 3 holds vs. 4 holds.
Seems like the judges missed both, neither of which can be fixed post meet. One seems a lot easier to miss than the other, and the one that should never be missed happens to be worth twice as much as the one that is subjective.
How can you argue that?
SolidSnakex
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It's easy to argue when they didn't deduct the points to begin with. If they didn't see it at first then they can't say "Well on second thought...". Going back and correcting a mistake that should've never been made > going back a correcting something that could strike up a much bigger controversy by taking and adding points based on mistakes in the routine after the competition is over. You do the 2nd one and then you're going to have people flooding you with complaints of other gymnasts making errors that should've had them moved down in the rankings.
SolidSnakex said:
Not really. Stripping Hamm wont be the messy part.
The Koreans were suppose to file it on Sunday however as of Monday night (don't know about today) hasn't done so. They know that the COAS is likely to toss it out. The FIG stands firm that Wang did not protest at the end of the rotation and waited till the end of the competition. After the competition is over, no scores can be changed.
The Koreans have already protested the score, protested Hamm's vault score, and already brought up a Judging conspiracy which the FIG said bullshit. (Rightfully). Right now, they've just reverted back to the start value protest.
The COAS may not want to touch this with good reason. If they strip Hamm it won't be over. It will violate the FIG's COP. This will end in deadlock or in complete disaster. In complete disaster it will bring both the FIG (further) and COAS down in disaster as both will be over stepping bounds and undoing all they set forth. Or the FIG and COAS will be in such a deadlock keeping their bounds someone else will have to step in.
Unfortunately, the FIG will not allow a co-champions either. Because again, they have to break the COP to do so.
This is why the KOF has been in talks with USAG. They figure getting both sides cooperating on one solution will help their cause. Symbolically, it does...
Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
The way you are talking, why not throw in the pressure of leading going into the event, or the pressure of needing an extra .1 point than what Hamm thought he needed?
.1 deduction that was taken < .2 deduction that should have been taken
Either way, Hamm has his Gold. It's up to him if he wants to give it up, and as far as I'm concerned, in a subjective sport like it is, he earned it.
Who's to say his scores wouldn't have been even better if he needed that .1?
Like his family says, scores aren't delivered in a vacuum.
Sports aren't cut and dry, especially ones decided by judges. There is more visual evidence that he should have been penalized .2. He wasn't, he also wasn't awarded .1. Hell, maybe he didn't even deserve the bronze.
The way you are talking, why not throw in the pressure of leading going into the event, or the pressure of needing an extra .1 point than what Hamm thought he needed?
.1 deduction that was taken < .2 deduction that should have been taken
Either way, Hamm has his Gold. It's up to him if he wants to give it up, and as far as I'm concerned, in a subjective sport like it is, he earned it.
Who's to say his scores wouldn't have been even better if he needed that .1?
Like his family says, scores aren't delivered in a vacuum.
Sports aren't cut and dry, especially ones decided by judges. There is more visual evidence that he should have been penalized .2. He wasn't, he also wasn't awarded .1. Hell, maybe he didn't even deserve the bronze.
SolidSnakex
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"Unfortunately, the FIG will not allow a co-champions either. Because again, they have to break the COP to do so."
They've gotta do something, because this isn't going to blow over anytime soon. They've now got the US, Koreans and OIC breathing down their necks to award the 2nd medal. This could end the controversy, and then they could get to work on cleaning it up and making sure this (or the complete f'ck up that was Nemov's score) never happens again.
This would all be put to rest if these people would just be perfect on their routines like Nadia Comaneci.
They've gotta do something, because this isn't going to blow over anytime soon. They've now got the US, Koreans and OIC breathing down their necks to award the 2nd medal. This could end the controversy, and then they could get to work on cleaning it up and making sure this (or the complete f'ck up that was Nemov's score) never happens again.
This would all be put to rest if these people would just be perfect on their routines like Nadia Comaneci.
SolidSnakex said:"Unfortunately, the FIG will not allow a co-champions either. Because again, they have to break the COP to do so."
They've gotta do something, because this isn't going to blow over anytime soon. They've now got the US, Koreans and OIC breathing down their necks to award the 2nd medal. This could end the controversy, and then they could get to work on cleaning it up and making sure this (or the complete f'ck up that was Nemov's score) never happens again.
This would all be put to rest if these people would just be perfect on their routines like Nadia Comaneci.
Funny thing is, the crowd made such a big show for nemov. But they cheered Dimosthenis Tampakos even though Jordan Jovtchev was robbed and underscored. No one booed his scored which was just as obvious as the Nemov incident. And this was a routine by Jordan that was really the better routine both in difficulty and execution. Tampakos was not deducted when he clearly ended a strength element too early, shaky handstands on the rings (they are called the still rings for a reason) on a dismount with a shuffle. Jorden, practically flawless and stucked landing.
Hypocrites no?
SolidSnakex said:"Unfortunately, the FIG will not allow a co-champions either. Because again, they have to break the COP to do so."
They've gotta do something, because this isn't going to blow over anytime soon. They've now got the US, Koreans and OIC breathing down their necks to award the 2nd medal. This could end the controversy, and then they could get to work on cleaning it up and making sure this (or the complete f'ck up that was Nemov's score) never happens again.
This would all be put to rest if these people would just be perfect on their routines like Nadia Comaneci.
Marsomega, I agree, if Hamm did relinquish his gold, the silver would be a fat chance.
Solid, ever seen sports before? I use the term sports lightly because gymnastics are about as far from sports as you can get. That said, shit happens. That said, "They DON'T gotta DO NOTHING." I guess you aren't familiar with Roy Jones Jr.'s story in Olympic boxing. If memory serves, he lost to a south korean in Seoul, with SK judges. He hit the poor kid about 2:1, and lost. Judges mess up, whether intentionally or not. It's common belief RJJ got screwed, he never got his gold. What about the US Basketball team in 1972? They "lost" to USSR. I put "lost" in quotations because the clock was reset to 3 seconds 3 times until USSR got the desired result. The US never got their gold medals, the silver ones are sitting in a vault because the team refused to pick them up.
Those are but two examples, much more grievous than this oversight. I'm sure there are more than those two, but those are two I know. I also know this, .1 deduction < .2 deduction. Dude should take his bronze, country should STFU, and you should stop arguing this point. Shit happens.
SolidSnakex
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"But they cheered Dimosthenis Tampakos even though Jordan Jovtchev was robbed and underscored. "
Yah there was definetly some hypocrisy going on. But he's from Greece so there's no way he was going to get booed.
"Those are but two examples, much more grievous than this oversight. I'm sure there are more than those two, but those are two I know. I also know this, .1 deduction < .2 deduction. Dude should take his bronze, country should STFU, and you should stop arguing this point."
It's not going to blow over as easily because just 2 years ago a 2nd medal was awarded to the Canadian pair opening up the door for this to be a possibility. So you might not like the idea of a 2nd medal being awarded, but the heats much hotter now with 2nd medals being handed out recently. Yah other events have happened like this, and people weren't awarded their medals, but like I said, the awarding of that 2nd medal to the Canadian pair changed the whole landscape of this issue.
Yah there was definetly some hypocrisy going on. But he's from Greece so there's no way he was going to get booed.
"Those are but two examples, much more grievous than this oversight. I'm sure there are more than those two, but those are two I know. I also know this, .1 deduction < .2 deduction. Dude should take his bronze, country should STFU, and you should stop arguing this point."
It's not going to blow over as easily because just 2 years ago a 2nd medal was awarded to the Canadian pair opening up the door for this to be a possibility. So you might not like the idea of a 2nd medal being awarded, but the heats much hotter now with 2nd medals being handed out recently. Yah other events have happened like this, and people weren't awarded their medals, but like I said, the awarding of that 2nd medal to the Canadian pair changed the whole landscape of this issue.
SolidSnakex said:
No, it was Jovtchev's score that should of been booed just like Nemov's score. It was suppose to be much higher but they all kept quiet knowing Jordan was suppose to have the better score and leave Tompakos in first. This wasn't a routine the common spectator wouldn't be able to see that it was better.
This wasn't isolated to Tampakos who went on first in rings. In event finals, you never give a sky high score to the first competitor. A easy example, you give the first gymnast a 10, now your screwed. If the next one does it better, bigger, harder, and smoother, your fucked. You litterally robbed the rest of the gymnast. You give a median score and then you either go below or higher. Thats why in an event final the first one up is usually the one in the worse position. From there on out, everyone is either better or worse then you give or take. And you keep the seperation between scores moderate to leave room to rank the other gymnast if they fall in between.
This happened left and right in MAG. Sky high scores in the begining meant routines that were better had even higher scores that weren't deserving of the score. That meant that even if you had a .2 deduction, your routine should be above the first guy you gave a 9.899. Meaning you have to give this guy a 9.925 even if the deduction was there or completely rob him and take the full .2 deduction like you should.
Its really official that the Judges in MAG fucked up royally.
The Chosen One
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Well Team USA Basketball finally blew someone out. Though the punchline is that it was Angola...
This is my favorite part:
Stephon Marbury didn't even take a shot against a team like Angola! Though if I only made 6 shots in 5 games I'd probably be gun-shy too...What a bum....
If anybody is ever seen wearing a Marbury Team USA jersey it is your responsibility to kick their ass immediately.
This is my favorite part:
Stephon Marbury didn't even take a shot against a team like Angola! Though if I only made 6 shots in 5 games I'd probably be gun-shy too...What a bum....
If anybody is ever seen wearing a Marbury Team USA jersey it is your responsibility to kick their ass immediately.
SolidSnakex
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"Until I hear that the judges were paid off to give higher scores to Hamm, the two aren't comparable at all."
Yes they are. You brought up earlier the Roy Jones Jr incident. As it was later revealed, judges were paid off to give the gold to someone else. Despite that being the case, Roy still hasn't gotten a gold medal for that. This figure skating event changed that, because a judge basically had the samething happen (except she was "pressured" to vote for someone else), yet the pair still recieved a 2nd gold medal.
Yes they are. You brought up earlier the Roy Jones Jr incident. As it was later revealed, judges were paid off to give the gold to someone else. Despite that being the case, Roy still hasn't gotten a gold medal for that. This figure skating event changed that, because a judge basically had the samething happen (except she was "pressured" to vote for someone else), yet the pair still recieved a 2nd gold medal.
A good article on the whole issue that I agree competely with: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/olympics/2004/writers/08/23/swift.gym/index.html.
Reuters/AP booty parade ROLLS ON! might not be work safe depending on where you work.
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Stele said:
What do you mean little tangent.
The migration of many coaches from the major gymnastic super powers is why so many other nations have come up in the sport. And that was a direct argument with the post earlier claiming it wasn't that everyone has improved, just that Russia is worse. There was no tangent there.
The old style Russian gymnastics (ala Soveit Union) is still in place.(The same centralized system, obviously without pools from the satellite countries to choose from) The have a drought in talent.
The Soveit Union wasn't unstoppable as the Rommanians proved even without their star Nadia Comaneci.
So without the dispersion of former communist bloc coaching talent, you would agree that teams such as U.S. would have remained relatively stagnant? If so, then that would directly correspond with the fact that the fall of the Soviet bloc program gave room to the rise of the Chinese and American ones. Then there's the matter of fiscal backing.
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China just took gold on 3m Springboard for Men's. The other Chinese came in fourth only *2* points behind third place Sautin.
i hate the gymnastics false judging nonsense. Alexi was robbed and Hamm was awarded too high a score on the highbar. it was a stinken joke. I am glad the stadium booed him and booing his inflated fairy tale score. when they fixed alexi's score it was not fixed enough. It clearly was a 9.8 performance. Even the NBC announcers were saying how it was one of the best performances they seen. And we all know how biased they are.
It just downright makes me sick. The judges have some agenda. A gymnast from greece was supposed to make it into the highbar finals but didn't. There is so much bull with those judges it is beyond belief. if I was there I would have thrown my goddam drink on the stadium floor. Like towards the judges. Goddamn
It just downright makes me sick. The judges have some agenda. A gymnast from greece was supposed to make it into the highbar finals but didn't. There is so much bull with those judges it is beyond belief. if I was there I would have thrown my goddam drink on the stadium floor. Like towards the judges. Goddamn
Stele said:
No. Coaches were already migrating during the Soviet Union's reign. The Chinese have always been a factor as well as the Japanese who ruled mens gymnastics with a iron grip for 20 years in the early 60's and 70's; Soviet Union failed to overcome no matter what they did.
As with all things, the Japanese went through a long drought. As of these Olympics thats all changed as the Japanese men came back to win their 6th Olympic Team title.The transient dominance of the Japanese Men's team three decades ago doesn't waver the overall Soviet ascendency and of its its satellites (East Germany, etc.) at all, and it did so for both genders. It's no coincidence U.S. took its first women's team gold only after the Unified Team splintered.
The Cuba/Canada semifinal in baseball was just heartbreaking. To be leading by a run, then the nightmare 8th inning that just seemed to go on forever, then Canada in the 9th comes within *INCHES* of a game tying homerun in their last at bat after almost completing an amazing comeback for the ages.
And now instead of a very winnable bronze medal game against the Aussies we get a pissed off Japanese team.
And now instead of a very winnable bronze medal game against the Aussies we get a pissed off Japanese team.
calder said:The Cuba/Canada semifinal in baseball was just heartbreaking. To be leading by a run, then the nightmare 8th inning that just seemed to go on forever, then Canada in the 9th comes within *INCHES* of a game tying homerun in their last at bat after almost completing an amazing comeback for the ages.
And now instead of a very winnable bronze medal game against the Aussies we get a pissed off Japanese team.
Round Robin Results
Canada 11, Australia 0
Japan 9, Canada 0.
We're so fucked it isn't funny. Seriously, we're dead.
Just an absolutely tragic day for Canada, in the end, and it started on such a high note.
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NBC sucks. They cut the Beach Volleyball, which was kicking ass to show Gymnastics. Fuck them. I'm tired of trying to keep up.
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