Official March NBA Thread - Kobex Curse Inside
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The_Sorrow said:
The fact that A) Faker fans think that LA can land KG while still having Kobe's max deal on contract (wouldn't surprise me, though-- LA always manages to have loaded teams and somehow stay under cap), and B) the implicit realization by all Kobe fans, evident in their statements, that Kobe can only win rings when paired with a dominant, top 3 player (i.e., Duncan, Shaq, or KG). In other words, as the unquestionable second best player on a team.
See, a dude like Elton Brand wouldn't be good enough for the Lakers/Kobe-- not dominant enough. They need KG. They need TD. They need Shaq. Kobe can't simply make due with a solid team-- he needs to pair with a top 3 player in order to accomplish anything. All Kobe fans realize this deep down-- even moreso after the tragedy that has been the Lakers' abysmal '05 season.
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Btw, two four point plays by the same team in one game? (referring to Miami) Gotta be a record...
LOL @ Charles' "No Mas" fight. :lol
Yup-- he obviously only needs to pair with an MVP candidate. See, it's amusing to me that Faker fans can't be content with a solid team and keep trying to put together these monstrous teams to make up for Kobe's shortcomings (Kobe, KG and Odom? :lol Kobe, Nash and Odom? :lol Kobe needs a veritable All-Star team to be competitive ).
And Kobe's not Jordan. Your point?
Besides, what does Pippen not being a top 3 player have to do with Kobe? A case can be made that he was top 3 for two seasons ('94-'95 and '95-'96), though with Jordan, Hakeem and the #'s Robinson/Malone etc. were putting up, that'd be a tough case to make, though I think it can be made, particularly for '94-'95.
Yup-- he obviously only needs to pair with an MVP candidate.
See, it's amusing to me that Faker fans can't be content with a solid team and keep trying to put together these monstrous teams to make up for Kobe's shortcomings (Kobe, KG and Odom? :lol Kobe, Nash and Odom? :lol Kobe needs a veritable All-Star team to be competitive ).Pippen was not a top 3 player.(Yes, I said it!)
And Kobe's not Jordan. Your point?
Besides, what does Pippen not being a top 3 player have to do with Kobe? A case can be made that he was top 3 for two seasons ('94-'95 and '95-'96), though with Jordan, Hakeem and the #'s Robinson/Malone etc. were putting up, that'd be a tough case to make, though I think it can be made, particularly for '94-'95.
Loki said:And Kobe's not Jordan. Your point?
That was the response I was expecting. Perhaps I should have worded it differently as it looks like my remark was questioning Pippen's status as not being a top 3 player (obvious), instead of questioning whether Kobe is not as good as Jordan (not quite obvious).
rc213 said:
It's solid enough that they should have done better than they've done, but I wasn't referring to the current team. I was referring to the fact that whenever Laker/Kobe fans speculate about the team they "need" or want, it's never just a solid team-- it's always a stacked team (OMG Kobe, Dirk, Nash, Odom, and Butler!) or contains one of the top 3 players in the league (KG, TD, or Shaq). You never see any Faker fan say "Elton Brand, Kobe, and some role players/specialists and spot-up guys" (i.e., a solid team).
As long as Kobe fans realize that he'll never win more than one more ring without pairing with either KG, Duncan, or Shaq, or without playing with a STACKED team (e.g., 3 legit all-stars) it's all good. Because he won't. I've said it for years now.
Loki is dreaming, that much is clear. It's been a tough year for Kobe, but he will carry the Lakers to the championship in the future. And without a player of TD, KG, or Shaq-esque caliber. He needs to come to grips with that fact, or it's going to be tough to watch his breakdown when Kobe hoists the Larry O'Brien trophy in the air surrounded by nothing but role-players.
Kobe, being the player that he is, will simply use this season as a learning experience. But more importantly, a motivational tool.
Kobe, being the player that he is, will simply use this season as a learning experience. But more importantly, a motivational tool.
You're forgetting Kobe missed 14 games during the easiest part of their schedule and they lost 8 of those including a pathetic one to the Hawks!!! The team has no inside presence WHATSOEVER playing in the West and now Lamar (best rebounder) is out. I think they'll be lucky to get 40 wins :lol
It's all good. though. Kobe himself said he's taking his lumps now. The haters better keep piling on while they can
PS: Lakers need an Earl Watson type PG (MLE) and a Chris Wilcoxtype PF (trade) for starters along with a solid big (PF or C) in the lotto
Loki said:
OK, this make a bit more sense but this team is far from solid, our bench is a joke. For this season I was hoping they could probably sneak into the playoffs if one of the other teams stumbled but it seems everyone else is on a roll while the Lakers are free falling to the bottom. And I think your taking what most people are saying about so and so coming to the lakers way too seriously.
rc213 said:
It's less than ideal and hasgaping holes at certain spots and in certain phases of the game (most notably defensively); still, like I said, I feel that they should have done better than they've done (in the games where everyone was healthy, to preempt Konex
).I'm not taking it "seriously"-- I couldn't give a shit either way, really. But I do find it amusing that many Laker fans constantly come up with these stacked teams and outrageous deals that they think LA will make. It shows you that, subconsciously, that's where they feel the Lakers' salvation lies: with Kobe as the subordinate.
Loki said:
As much as I hate to breed more Kobe talk, I gotta know what special conditions would allow for you to believe that Kobe could win a title as "the man" with merely a solid team. I didn't think you'd ever be able to even concede the possibility that such a thing could happen.
And go Suns!
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Loki said:
the cap has nothing to do with it. We are over the cap now, and were over the cap in almost every season we won rings with Shaq and Kobe. The NBA has a soft cap, meaning teams can go over it via trades or resigning their own Bird right players. We could, theoretically, give up a package of Odom, some expiring Ks (Vlade, George) and a couple young players/draft picks for KG, but its all moot cause it'll never happen. KG won't be traded, and especially not to LA, because A) Lurch (also known as Kevin McHale) hates the Lakers and would never trade with us B) KG has a multiyear deal, and doesn't have any of the leverage TMac or Shaq used to force their way out C) the guy is only TWENTY SEVEN years old, 7 feet tall, and one of the top 5 players in this league. Its not like he's some veteran in desperate search of a ring. The Wolves could easily get rid of the aging cancers on their team (Spree and Cassell, as if you needed me to point that out), make a couple smart signings, draft good young players, and surround KG with enough talent to be right back in the thick of the western conference picture in a couple seasons.
A little late but i've never seen this posted here, even if it has, here you go. T-Mac's amazing 13 points in like 20 seconds.
T-Mac THE COME BACK vs. Spurs
T-Mac THE COME BACK vs. Spurs
I hope the Heat don't feel too bad about the streak being over.... it's simply time for another one. Streaks can make even the best teams complacent at some point... nice timing for the streak to end... cause now they can really be pumped up to redeem themselves when they face Phoenix.
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Nice video, but does anybody have a video with the actual TNT commentary?
Piston, thanks for the info-- I was never too knowledgeable about all the cap stuff. Don't care for it-- I just like to watch the games. I knew about the "Bird exception", but didn't know that teams could go over the cap if they made trades. Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of having a cap, or is there a limit on how much you can go over the cap via a trade?
Btw, KG will be 29 in about 6 weeks.
I knew about the "Bird exception", but didn't know that teams could go over the cap if they made trades. Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of having a cap, or is there a limit on how much you can go over the cap via a trade?Btw, KG will be 29 in about 6 weeks.
F that, the streak gave them purpose. Last night, we got shamefully outrebounded. There's no other reason for losing that game other than givin Houston way too many second-chance shots. Oh well, it's not a bad b/c it was a good run of wins. Losses are bound to happen, I just wish they'd kept this one going. I was really hoping for them to take it to the end of the season. We've been playing that good lately. PEACE.DarienA said:
Pimpwerx said:
Oh wait don't get me wrong... they played like shit... but the problem I think was that they got complacent and probably took Houston for granted... even still it wasn't like they got blown out... but yeah they really should have won..... I just want to make sure they win both games at the end of this week.
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Loki said:Piston, thanks for the info-- I was never too knowledgeable about all the cap stuff. Don't care for it-- I just like to watch the games.
Btw, KG will be 29 in about 6 weeks.
the cap is basically meant just so the big market teams can't just buy up all the talent via free agency. But as far as i know, teams can go as far over the cap as they want. The Knicks payroll is over $100 million while the cap is somewhere at $43 million, for example.
Ninja Scooter said:
Yup 43.87 mil to be exact..... Here is a team current salary listing as well as individual salaries http://www.insidehoops.com/nbasalaries.shtml
The Knicks should be f'n ashamed of themselves... Here are the top ten and I've added their current record and position):
New York Knicks(28-37, 4th Atlantic), $103,100,000
Dallas Mavericks(44-22, 2nd Southwest) ,$90,900,00
Portland Trail Blazers(23-43, 4th Northwest), $75,000,000
Philadelphia 76ers(32-34, 2nd Atlantic), $70,700,000
Minnesota Timberwolves(34-34, 3rd Northwest), $70,300,000
Memphis Grizzlies(38-28, 4th Southwest), $68,100,000
Indiana Pacers(33-33, 4th Central), $63,200,000
Boston Celtics(38-29, 1st Atlantic), $63,000,000
Sacramento Kings(42-27, 2nd Pacific), $62,000,000
Los Angeles Lakers(32-35, 3rd Pacific), $61,000,000
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