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Overwatch |OT8| Our love will last Pharah-ver
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veloxStrix
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If you are getting two shotted by Ana as Tracer, you're probably doing something wrong.
On the other hand, as Ana you will literally die to every single flanker so I guess I can go back to playing Tracer/Genji in comp.
Biotic grenade's healing boost and burst healing are what makes it truly effective, so the nerf isn't as bad as it could be. It shouldn't be used for impact healing alone, outside of self-healing when necessary. The nerfs are still pretty rough, though. I guess I can take a break from Ana now that she's my most played hero by several hours. I'm a damn good Zen so I can always fall back on him.
Well, I don't disagree with you, but we must have a slight semantic difference when it comes to support. She'll still be able to heal almost as well, sleep critical enemies, hamper the other team, and boost allies. That's what her job as support entails. Now, obviously, she have a harder time doing that because she'll have a much more difficult time staying alive against flankers. But it's the supports job to..well, support other characters doing their jobs, and their job entails protecting their support character.
So, sure, I can agree that Zenyatta is probably going to be the most DPSing support character now and Ana's pick rate will probably drop a bit. But her abilities as a support character as so valuable, she'll probably still get plenty of usage, it's just that other ally characters will actually have to pay attention and protect her instead of just relying on her protecting herself.
And that's just fine. The metric for support character's viability shouldn't be how well can they stand on their own, but how well they can support others. In that role, she will be almost as effective as she is now. Provided she stays alive to do it.
Vault Dweller 111
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What happened to Zarya?Ana.
Zen.
Zarya.
Winston.
MY TIME HAS FINALLY COME!
Pick your Widows, Genjis, and Tracers. I am gonna eat you all up!
Plz don't look at me Roadhog.
LucidMomentum
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Zen is back.
Oh no.
At least it'll keep Pharah honest now.
So, hit plat after a few games. 8 wins total so far this season, when I took like 20 wins to hit plat last season. Improving slowly but surely.
How many wins does your SR get the boost for? I think I've played like 4 matches after calibrating and won 2 of them lol.
Oh no.
At least it'll keep Pharah honest now.
So, hit plat after a few games. 8 wins total so far this season, when I took like 20 wins to hit plat last season. Improving slowly but surely.
How many wins does your SR get the boost for? I think I've played like 4 matches after calibrating and won 2 of them lol.
Her bubble no longer removes discord from herself or her teammates, which is huge.
those people were never going to play anyone other than widow
Honestly Zarya's bubble never really posed a big problem to me as a Zen player. If she blew a 10s cooldown skill to remove my discord orb for 2s, it's really her loss, not mine.Ana.
Zen.
Zarya.
Winston.
Just another notch on a run of nerfs, both indirect and direct. Zarya will still be solid but it's disappointing. What's the last positive thing she got, the more accurate hit detection on her beam?
veloxStrix
Banned
I imagine your team is shooting at her considering she has a Discord on her. Not really much of a loss.
It didn't happen a lot but when it did it was annoying.
This is why you always should have several "mains". It sucks to see one of your faves get their wings clipped but if you're smart you should always have other heroes to fall back on when it happens.
When that happens I just shift discord onto someone else for 2s. Even better if that makes her blow her other bubble skill on a teammate, now she's out of skills to use and I still can discord her again.
finalflame
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lol Blizzard just took a huge shit on ana. guess it serves me well for getting her golden gun after s3.
This is where we disagree. Her vulnerability to flankers effectively makes her worse at healing (which is fine by the way, she was way too good at it).
Like Zen, the fact that she had such a potent offense greatly enabled her as a support.
Let me put it this way: yes, she is going to get picked less. Not because she does less damage, but because she will die more frequently and consequently heal less frequently. Had Blizzard instead given her a severe dropoff to the damage of her rifle in addition to the grenade nerf, she would still be undisputed queen of the supports.
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Banned
those zen changes are pretty exciting.
LucidMomentum
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Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
That is a huge nerf on ana and a massive buff on zen. What.
Also a massive nerf to reinhardt indirectly. This is just going to make dive more insane. Rein getting discorded through barriers and then getting shit on immediately = why have rein at all?
Also a massive nerf to reinhardt indirectly. This is just going to make dive more insane. Rein getting discorded through barriers and then getting shit on immediately = why have rein at all?
veloxStrix
Banned
Just rework her. Give her two separate modes: Exploration mode and Stationary mode. In Exploration mode she can run around and deal damage as usual but she can't heal. In Stationary mode, she can only heal but her rifle only heals 20 health per shot, has a RoF increase of 500%, and has a 100 round clip. Wondering where her grenade went? When she ults she pulls out a belt of biotic grenades that she can spam and gains 30% damage resistance. Call it Panzer mode or something.
finalflame
Member
edit: oops
Can go through barrier no question.
Incendiary
Banned
So I'm guessing the new PTR changes along with the Bastion nerf and Orisa will go live next week on PC/consoles? Or are we looking at two weeks before we see Orisa go live now that more PTR changes are being introduced?
Either way, looking forward to not having to worry about my own explosions as Junkrat!
Either way, looking forward to not having to worry about my own explosions as Junkrat!
I'm finally playing my first placement match, since I now figure the patch isn't coming tomorrow (I'm hoping it is. Don't leave us console peasants out in the rain, bliz). Bastion is stupid. Honestly, I don't care how small a testing pool the PTR is, it's embarrassingly obvious how problematic his buffs are.
Im watching I forgot my twitch username but I'm watching hopefully that counts as a viewer :x
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
No seriously, ana nerfs aside, this zen buff is insane.
Which is fine because I was playing zen before I was playing ana, but phew boy. Have fun monkey jumping onto you with another diver and receiving 30% more damage with no way to position against it.
They only explanation I can come up with is that they're trying to introduce more mobile setups and not the entrenched style 3 tanks introduced. These changes and orisa seems to lean that way.
Also seriously, fuck tanks if this goes live. Like if you want rein out of the game this is how you do it.
Which is fine because I was playing zen before I was playing ana, but phew boy. Have fun monkey jumping onto you with another diver and receiving 30% more damage with no way to position against it.
They only explanation I can come up with is that they're trying to introduce more mobile setups and not the entrenched style 3 tanks introduced. These changes and orisa seems to lean that way.
Also seriously, fuck tanks if this goes live. Like if you want rein out of the game this is how you do it.
veloxStrix
Banned
Doubt Rein will even be affected.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Discord going through barrier is a huge deal. This seriously greatly affects the actual utility of reinhardt.
Rein is still viable. But yeah, Tank meta is looking much weaker now with those Ana nerfs.
Which is good, because I love playing McCree!
McCree wins even more because now a dedicated anti-flanker is needed again.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Or he loses because he gets no protection from a rein.
veloxStrix
Banned
Not saying it won't affect him at all, but I don't think his pick rate in Ranked matches will change much. In actual pro games, maybe. But even then I'm not sure. His shield uptime is just so massive compared to everyone else. Having a big moving wall is just too strong.
New over.gg World Rankings. I almost never agree with them, but I do enjoy reading them. Keep in mind that almost all their data is from Korean tournaments and only one Western tournament is used so there is definitely a bias.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Dive comps are designed to ignore his shield as much as possible.
This change means that they can pretty much just ignore it altogether.
They probably should have stopped at just that. That would have been a legitimately good change. The one they should have started with months ago.
I hope they consider the fact that Pharah has just lost another check on her potential for dominance.
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