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What's your PSN again? I forget.
Jeff even said if the barriers are too much then they'll balance them out.
QP and Arcade is all I've been playing after placements and reaching Diamond in Solo Q. Most of the Gaffers here on PS4 haven't done their placements either.
What if shes comes to you and alt fires you while you try to flee.
Only seen Bastion in one of my 5 placement games.
Did two games as Ana, 50% win rate.
xaosslug
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for the longest time I always thought Zen could discord through barriers, just because I usually see Rein running around discorded. xD
figured as much. Couldn't risk Rein falling out of favour, I guess!
the MAIN issue w/ Ana, imo, is her grenade (anti-heal in particular, which I know was never even affected). But with the grenade nerf being reverted... it's like nothing's been done, yet again. xD
Ana STAYS winning & dominating.
New Ana changes on PTR: Grenade now goes through barriers.
Bastion has been nerfed on PC for a while, his reign of terror was only a few days long, you're safe.
xD
dodge and weave. it's like dancing.
ROBOKITTYZILLA
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Were people saying they saw GM grouped with Gold? How is that possible with the 500SR limitation? Maybe if they weren't in a group together but in my experience the matchmaking has been a lot better this season.
Rickenslacker
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I would have liked to see the Zen orb stuff in play before coming to any conclusion personally. For a game where counters play a role in its design, barriers have existed thus far without a true one.
the gm is still doing placement and grouped up with a gold
Placement matches
finalflame
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Then you die. Getting close to a fully charged Zarya is a death sentence to pretty much anyone who can't kill her in two seconds. She does 190dps at full charge, enough to melt any hero in a bit over a second or most tanks in a bit over two. A direct hit from a fully charged projectile is 90.
FatCatAttack
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Just let the "primitive" projectiles (arrows, shurikans, rivets) pass through barriers unimpeded like Sym Orbs do with perhaps a damage malus or something. Makes sense from a lore standpoint as well to explain why so many people use old school weapons in the future other than the rule of cool of course.
TheLetdown
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I haven't done my post-placement matches yet, the ones that have that accelerated SR gain.
Is it better to do those solo or to group up for them? Will I gain less if I group?
Is it better to do those solo or to group up for them? Will I gain less if I group?
Will still get hit if Zarya can predict your movement.
That's the point I was making.
But Zen orb would have no counter play if it could penetrate barriers. You can either break LOS taking you out of a fight or you use a Zarya bubble and it's an immense waste to use an 8 sec CD ability on cleansing discord.
Which is why I think Zarya needs another nerf to her barriers. It should be harder to maintain that charge than it currently is. I'd put the max charge she can get from a barrier at 30%. Force her to earn that DPS.
Rickenslacker
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So break LOS or prioritize the Zen that's in LOS. Or even rejigger discord to have some cooldown after casts. Being discorded does not stop barriers from actually working, just the opportunities once they're not present.
Which is why you don't stay long enough for it to happen. Let someone else take the hits while you try to flank around. Not gonna sit there and let her pound me with alt fire.
Enemy Mercy rez is always in german, "Helden sterben nicht!". Even enemy Mercy with Witch skin will still say it in german.
Any variation on it in english is friendly Mercy, "Heroes never die!, "My servants never die", "'Till Valhalla", etc.
If you break LoS, it becomes a 5 v 6 and he can just discord somebody else. Barrier will do nothing as zen would be used in a dive comp who will ignore the barrier.
Rickenslacker
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We can go down some theory encounter rabbithole, but is the suggestion here that a Zen being present on the other team at present requires a Reinhardt on yours?
Nuno Pinto
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Yeah, whenever I see Zarya as a Soldier I just run for my life. You don't want to be in that 15m beam range against her 1vs1, even if she is low charge. If she has her bubble available you're basically fucked, she has more than time to kill you before you can kill her unless she isn't at full hp. When she's charged it's not even a fight.
Not really. Reinhardt is picked for more reasons than just discord orb. Mainly to counter earth shatter and prevent hooks. Blocking discord is just a bonus.
Rickenslacker
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Yeah, so I don't have an issue with it. Zenyatta doesn't need a Reinhardt to be played around, so having Reinhardt be an easy discord target seems fine to me.
sure about that?
He is still shots projectiles, so you have to lead your shots. The smal amount the orbs are off now, is pretty much not noticable when you are moving and the target is moving, and the fact that the orbs has such a large hitbox as it is.
Maybe my aim isnt good enough, but i dont see this as a big buff at all.
I do pretty well with him already as is. This will def make aiming for targets further away much better. But that's just how I like to play. Keep those pesky heroes away from my team.
Fixed2BeBroken
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But barriers don't work against Genji, Winston and Tracer... the heros you'd play with Zenyatta to abuse the fact that you can discord the Ana/Mercy who will die immediately or you can discord the Rein who'll die immediately.
Oh, yea, I've encountered them before. They can literally carry the team.
Rickenslacker
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They can do their thing, Hog can hook the Zen in LOS and we can not worry about that for an encounter.
xaosslug
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DevilDog
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
I actually got to mess around with that version of Zen. Basically the way Zen works is that if he can E you in an open area, you are dead outright or at least under pressure to be near peel. Rein works by making open spaces not open. On PTR Zen could just straight up negate that aspect of Rein and things got deleted /fast/. If you give that thing to pros it's fucking over for barriers period.
We want things in the game that makes fighting barriers interesting and more risky for barrier users, but that was a hell of a bit much. It would basically make Zen hard counter Rein to a degree where you wouldn't really pick Rein on defense because it would be too RPS risky to do it :T
If things didn't get auto deleted by a dive from discord I'd be okay with it, but the fact is they do. It's just too fast to deal with.
We want things in the game that makes fighting barriers interesting and more risky for barrier users, but that was a hell of a bit much. It would basically make Zen hard counter Rein to a degree where you wouldn't really pick Rein on defense because it would be too RPS risky to do it :T
If things didn't get auto deleted by a dive from discord I'd be okay with it, but the fact is they do. It's just too fast to deal with.
This thread moves fast when I'm not available. I'm quite surprised at the turn around time on those Ana nerfs, I mean is a day good enough for some meaningful data? That being said, the grenade ofcourse deserves to be looked at but not a clear 50% percent cut across the board. They should like into different values like 30% or 40% and then they could nerf the damage and healing aspect separately.
Doug Heffernan
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I pretty much play Zen as DPS anyway, often getting silver and bronze damage medals, so I actually prefer the aim boost buff.
Paltheos
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I don't know about all this "the grenade obviously needs to be looked at" stuff. The meta before the new Bastion was pretty diverse, letting any of the healers fly to a degree and allowing traditional and dive comps. The grenade got hit with a nerf bat already, as it should have been. Let's see what becomes of this new one with the new Ana nerf before deciding she needs to be nerfed again.
When I get gold damage with Elims and Damage with Zen, I wonder what's going on.
finalflame
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Sure, and it's perfectly fine.
No, she does not need to be nerfed further. Don't shoot her shield if you care enough, but any coordinated team will just burn it down and focus fire her because they understand how much of a threat she is. You're not supposed to be caught alone without your team and with your pants down by Zarya, she's not a flanker and doesn't have any mobility.
Stop calling for nerfs for any hero you can't 1v1 in every conceivable scenario.
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