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Persona 5 Review Thread

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RampagingSoul

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OrbitalBeard said:
Oh, I'm definitely buying both eventually!

Thanks for your thoughts. :) Sounds like I'm good either way.
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Yeah, you should definitely get and play both at some point. I love Automata a lot, one of my favorite games of the year along with Zelda: BotW and Yakuza 0. I still need to play and get Gravity Rush 2 at some point. This year has been stellar for games! I got Persona 5 on order and I can't wait! Persona 4 Golden was what lead me to Persona 3 Portable and I loved both of those games a lot.

In response to the 100 Hrs to beat this game a lot of reviews are saying, I don't mind. The only thing is that I wish I probably won't finish it anytime soon, because college. I should have a good chunk of the summer to get it done though. The reviews for this game are looking awesome too! Can't wait!
 
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MTC100

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LotusHD said:
I mean I guess. I really don't see the issue. 8.5 is suddenly a bad score. She admits it might be unfair. And it isn't even like it's a completely random criticism, since P4 Golden was on the Vita, so there's a precedent there. It's just silly to get hung up over it.
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People claimed a 7 for Breath of the Wild(9.7 average score) is a good score, so here on NeoGAF nearly everything is a "good" score.

While I do agree, an 8.5 is fine I guess, below the 8 is where it's starting to feel bad and that's also the reason why reviews below a 7.5 are colored yellow on MC.
 
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asagami_

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Holundrian said:
The one thing I hope JP devs take away from Persona is how to improve turn based.
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Sadly, this would be a trend years ago, but there is a reason Atlus is one of the few who do really funny turn based games. They really nailed it with the Press Turn system and its variants, and we are talking about a system from 2003.
 
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Curufinwe

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MSMrRound said:
*Clicks on IGN link-something tells me it's going to be Andrew Goldfarb....

"BY ANDREW GOLDFARB In stark contrast to...."*

Welp, guess I was right. Andrew's one of the biggest Persona nuts out there in the IGN office, so for him to give that score I'm not too surprised.
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Is their white-bread-with-extra-mayo reviews editor mad again like he was when IGN gave Bloodborne and Bayonetta 2 good scores?
 
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LotusHD

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MTC100 said:
People claimed a 7 for Breath of the Wild(9.7 average score) is a good score, so here on NeoGAF nearly everything is a "good" score.

While I do agree, an 8.5 is fine I guess, below the 8 is where it's starting to feel bad and that's also the reason why reviews below a 7.5 are colored yellow on MC.
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But it's not... Sigh, nvm
 
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Slixshot

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Aeana said:
Gonna say something totally radical and out-there: a reviewer can dock points for anything they want, because a review is an opinion piece. The reason we get multiple reviews is to get multiple perspectives on a game. This might be better understood if people actually read multiple reviews and synthesized the impressions around their personal tastes rather than complaining about how a given score affects a metascore.
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Get outta here with that reasoning. It makes too much sense.
 
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Sumio Mondo

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asagami_ said:
Sadly, this would be a trend years ago, but there is a reason Atlus is one of the few who do really funny turn based games. They really nailed it with the Press Turn system and its variants, and we are talking about a system from 2003.
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Best turn based system of all time.
 
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robotrock

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holy shit only a week away.

My dumbass bought a japanese copy of the game at launch but I can't understand it. I just got way too sucked into the hype
 
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SporeCrawler

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MTC100 said:
People claimed a 7 for Breath of the Wild(9.7 average score) is a good score, so here on NeoGAF nearly everything is a "good" score.

While I do agree, an 8.5 is fine I guess, below the 8 is where it's starting to feel bad and that's also the reason why reviews below a 7.5 are colored yellow on MC.
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isnt it also the same site causing the controversy? rrolls eyes
 
BigEmil

BigEmil

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MrRemyJe said:
I can see it now. Geoff Keighly's Game Awards 2017 Nominees for GotY:

Horizon: Zero Dawn
Ghost Recon Wildlands
Call of Duty 2017
Mass Effect: Andromeda
Assassin's Creed 2017
Zelda (just so Reggie shows up with exclusive vids, but it won't win)

and Neogaf will be furious.
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Make Kojima mention a bunch of japanese games he likes to Geoff. It will be in the nominees list
PacKDAc.jpg
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RampagingSoul

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MTC100 said:
People claimed a 7 for Breath of the Wild(9.7 average score) is a good score, so here on NeoGAF nearly everything is a "good" score.

While I do agree, an 8.5 is fine I guess, below the 8 is where it's starting to feel bad and that's also the reason why reviews below a 7.5 are colored yellow on MC.
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I think a 7 is normally "Good" on most review sites and magazines. I'm fine with a seven as long as the score is accompanied by a review supports why that game got the score it got. The content of a review matters more than the score any day for me. Plus, I've seen plenty of critically acclaimed and very well-reviewed games have a few reviews on the lower end of the scale. It's all different opinions.
 
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Holundrian

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asagami_ said:
Sadly, this would be a trend years ago, but there is a reason Atlus is one of the few who do really funny turn based games. They really nailed it with the Press Turn system and its variants, and we are talking about a system from 2003.
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Yep it's pretty weird. Things like different takes on the the instant action menu mapping honestly should have been standard since 2010. But still today we get JRPGs that kind of don't seem to spend any thought on UI navigation. I mean I love Dragon Quest but worry a bit about 11 for that. Not that it's going to be a major deal but it's like a small splinter stuck in your skin. Just doesn't feel right.
 
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Deleted member 518609

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BRSxIgnition said:
Is the ACG video review spoiler free?
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Skimming through it, it only has footage from the first two in-game months. I'd imagine if they're mindful enough to limit the footage to just that they won't go into any spoilery details in their discussion but I don't have the time to watch the whole video and confirm that right now.
 
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Raguel

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well that sounds awesome. I'll prob start with persona 5 after going through Zelda...and horizon...and bloodbourne....I have no time. god have mercy on me.
 
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tiebreaker

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Aeana said:
Gonna say something totally radical and out-there: a reviewer can dock points for anything they want, because a review is an opinion piece. The reason we get multiple reviews is to get multiple perspectives on a game. This might be better understood if people actually read multiple reviews and synthesized the impressions around their personal tastes rather than complaining about how a given score affects a metascore.
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It's and opinion and all, but it's terribly unprofessional to dock points for what the game isn't.
 
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MTC100

Banned
MSMrRound said:
Not surprised it's rated so high. Have you seen Andrew's desk? It's full of Persona merchandise, especially Koromaru.

So what if others have rated it a 10?

I played through the import copy of Persona 5. While I still rate it very highly and I'm pretty pumped to play through it in English, it is by no means a perfect 10 if you were to judge it with a critical eye instead of blind hype.

The Kotaku article echoed one of my thoughts which was one of the final acts went on for a tad longer than it really needed to be.

There are other complaints from myself really,but the positives massively outweigh them.
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I see, well he still didn't give it a "perfect"(this notion that a 10 is perfect seriously has to stop) 10 but 0.3 points lower. Also IGN isn't known for low review scores overall...
 
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prophecy0

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giancarlo123x said:
Jesus ps4 is on God damn fire this year.
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Yeah late last year I was thinking that XB1 was starting to gain some momentum and Sony didn't have anything worthwhile coming out... fast forward to now and it's hilarious that I ever had that thought. PS4 has a ton of amazing exclusives just in Q1 alone.

Also, I am glad I have a Vita so I can use remote play to enjoy Persona 5 on my lunch break and before I go to sleep at night. It is the only way I will ever finish the game in a reasonable amount of time.
 
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Primethius

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While I think reviewers are fine to base their experiences on the game at hand for whatever reason, platform stuff like that makes no sense to me and I don't put much stock in such a review.

I prefer reviews to be a bit more "timeless". If the same game comes out on Switch/Vita later or another platform, to me, a review for the PS4 version should be applicable as well baring other circumstances.

My 2c anyways.
 
Impulsor

Impulsor

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Can Crusher said:
Why are we glossing the fact that the reason is "I want to watch tv while I play"?!!
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It's just one of two reasons she gives.

We are not glossing that fact.

It's just that even with an 8.5 and a perfectly coherent review, that has a perfectly fitting numerical score, even if you do not agree with the reasons given, people have to go out of their way and start criticizing the review when:

1st: they have not played the game

2nd: it's a subjective opinion

3rd: it seems fairly obvious that some have not read the full review and are only focusing on what they want

I don't know, I also want the game to have a 99 meta, and I also hate to see complaints on games I am hyped for, but I read the review, don't agree on the platform comment but can relate, and that's it, I can't really say anything about the other minor complaints because I have not played the game.

I feel that this always happens in review threads... people go mad with some lower review because of very certain complaints/issues and actually disregard the rest of the review.
 
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Fat4all

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I've played RPGs my whole life.

Just because I read Berserk while I was playing P4G doesn't mean P4G isn't worth paying attention to or has shit design, but that I know the rhythms of an RPG and can multitask because I'm used to RPGs.
 
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asagami_

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XiaNaphryz said:
Sorry, but Grandia's hybrid system is still tops. I especially like Grandia 3's iteration of that system.
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Eh, I'm curious about Grandia saga. It's not the first time I see Grandia system mentioned along the Press Turn as a very good designed system.

Holundrian said:
Yep it's pretty weird. Things like different takes on the the instant action menu mapping honestly should have been standard since 2010. But still today we get JRPGs that kind of don't seem to spend any thought on UI navigation. I mean I love Dragon Quest but worry a bit about 11 for that. Not that it's going to be a major deal but it's like a small splinter stuck in your skin. Just doesn't feel right.
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Honestly, even Etrian Odyssey, with a battle system which remind me a lot to Dragon Quest, it's TOO funny to play. I don't know what kind of magic sauce Atlus uses, but damn, they are other thing.
 
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robotrock

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Fat4all said:
I've played RPGs my whole life.

Just because I read Berserk while I was playing P4G doesn't mean P4G isn't worth paying attention to or has shit design, but that I know the rhythms of an RPG and can multitask because I'm used to RPGs.
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I played Persona 4 Golden while watching Giant Bomb's endurance run. One of my most favorable gaming experiences tbh.
 
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Steve Youngblood

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Can Crusher said:
Isnt that just... shit design?
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No? I don't necessarily think that a well-designed and engaging title necessitates your complete, undivided attention the entire time you're playing. Mind you, I'm not weighing in on whether this should or shouldn't have a handheld version. That's neither here nor there. But I feel like in your effort to express disgust at what you perceive to be a bad opinion you are going in way too hard on a faulty idea of what good game design should be.

If the way you game is on the big screen with headphones on and the lights off (for instance) then so be it. Great. But other people might look at a game with a 100 play time, note that that's a big ask given their amount of free time, and conclude that it's easier to digest if they can knock out something else like catching up on this week's DVR'd shows while playing. That's OK.

Just to be clear again, I am absolutely not weighing in on whether you should or shouldn't dock a game for that.
 
joecanada

joecanada

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MTC100 said:
People claimed a 7 for Breath of the Wild(9.7 average score) is a good score, so here on NeoGAF nearly everything is a "good" score.

While I do agree, an 8.5 is fine I guess, below the 8 is where it's starting to feel bad and that's also the reason why reviews below a 7.5 are colored yellow on MC.
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no not "nearly everything " is a good score. but above average (5/10) is generally considered "good".... the fact that most sites only score games from 5-10 is not others problem.
1,2,3 should be saved for broken games with almost no redeeming qualities.... those aren't "good" and neither is 4, 5, 6 (debatable about 4, 6), those would be considered average.

* waits for posts about obscure grading systems in schools all over the world.
 
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klabautermann

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MTC100 said:
People claimed a 7 for Breath of the Wild(9.7 average score) is a good score, so here on NeoGAF nearly everything is a "good" score.

While I do agree, an 8.5 is fine I guess, below the 8 is where it's starting to feel bad and that's also the reason why reviews below a 7.5 are colored yellow on MC.
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I think that's the problem with review scores (and unrelatd the US education system). Baffles me that 5/10 and lower is considered bad. I would assume that 5/10 means neutral, the game exists and you don't love it or hate it. Anything lower than than that should be considered more negative. Where at least 7 and up should be positive. 0-3 = Bad/Subpar, 4-6 = Average/Good, 7-10 = Great/Amazing.

Either way, this isn't so much about reviewers but more how people perceive scores to be worse than they are in my opinion.
 
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singhjeet29

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What a year for RPG's!! (Minus MEA lol).

This year has been ridiculous! It's almost as if someone forgot to invite Japan to the party all these years and Japan is making up for it and ensuring they won't be forgotten.
 
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robotrock

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Also I just want to point out that I don't think you really need to ever "grind" very much in the Persona games at all, but I always appreciate how they allow you the option so I can try and overlevel when I'm listening to a podcast or watching a video or something else
 
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MTC100

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RampagingSoul said:
I think a 7 is normally "Good" on most review sites and magazines. I'm fine with a seven as long as the score is accompanied by a review supports why that game got the score it got. The content of a review matters more than the score any day for me. Plus, I've seen plenty of critically acclaimed and very well-reviewed games have a few reviews on the lower end of the scale. It's all different opinions.
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Of course they are and it's good that sites like MC and Gamerankings exist to even out the individual scores. I believe a truly great game can stay above the 90 MC mark or be very close to it, even though it got hit by 7s and 6s. Still a 7 is just okay(hence the yellow color on MC), an 8 would be good(green), a 9 indicates a great game while a 10 would be a masterpiece.

We rarely see 6s, 5s or below, is it because the industry standard is that high or because only really bad games get such scores and they are in the minority? I think the latter is the case.

klabautermann said:
I think that's the problem with review scores (and unrelatd the US education system). Baffles me that 5/10 and lower is considered bad. I would assume that 5/10 means neutral, the game exists and you don't love it or hate it. Anything lower than than that should be considered more negative. Where at least 7 and up should be positive. 0-3 = Bad/Subpar, 4-6 = Average/Good, 7-10 = Great/Amazing.
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And you know it's not that way in reality. A 4-6 is far from average/good, would you play a game that has a 45 MC score? I wouldn't.
 
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Fat4all

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robotrock said:
Also I just want to point out that I don't think you really need to ever "grind" very much in the Persona games at all, but I always appreciate how they allow you the option so I can try and overlevel when I'm listening to a podcast or watching a video or something else
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yeyeyeyea, get swole as fucc
 
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