Piers Morgan: If black Americans want the N-word to die, they will have to kill it
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aygomyownroad
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I completely agree with him,and I'm not a fan of his!
Its a disgusting derogatory term that has no place in modern society regardless of who is saying it to who.
I understand that we shouldn't forget the history but this word should be history, I had so much respect of Richard Pryor when he stopped using that word and his story about going to Africa when he admitted he was wrong to use the word and we were all the same is historical.
Martin Luther King wanted us to all be treated equally and we need to remove these words from our vocabulary no matter who you are
Its a disgusting derogatory term that has no place in modern society regardless of who is saying it to who.
I understand that we shouldn't forget the history but this word should be history, I had so much respect of Richard Pryor when he stopped using that word and his story about going to Africa when he admitted he was wrong to use the word and we were all the same is historical.
Martin Luther King wanted us to all be treated equally and we need to remove these words from our vocabulary no matter who you are
IrishNinja
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MoodyFog
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Well shit.
So I do think use of the term (and I make no distinction between nigga and nigger) would become exceedingly rarer if black Americans didn't use it so often. I hear non-blacks (specifically Asians and occasionally whites) use the "nigga" form (as a term of endearment as blacks do) fairly often. Usually it's by younger people, but they do it because they hear the word so often they can't help but utter it.
Language doesn't work that way.
If every black person in the world stopped using the N-word, would that stop racists from using it to refer to black people?
I'm genuinely laughing.
Chie Satonaka
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Have you considered that maybe you don't need to understand it?
The word has been re-appropriated by black folks and some of them have taken it and use it as a term of endearment. That's it. The conversation of if that's right or not isn't really a conversation that you, or any other non-black person needs to have.
This was discussed in the Tim Wise video that I relinked and that was originally linked earlier in the thread.
"Is it a double standard? Yes, but history is a double standard; get the hell over it."
IrishNinja
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excellent post, thank you for this.
Skellig Gra
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So what he really is saying is to pull Boondocks reruns off TV.
Personally I don't use the word, among other words that Piers Morgan uses on a regular basis. But it's not hard to grasp the concept of the average black person finding it acceptable for other black people to use the word when you realize that most of the offense comes from the history of one group of people in the US establishing superiority over another through slavery/government laws vs the word itself.
Even if you have a non black person and a black person using the word in the same way and context, this history will always be the key issue to black US citizens. For many black people, when this word is used by non black people, it is a reminder of this inequality and this is what causes it to be offensive. Whereas when another black person uses it, this reminder doesn't exist for the average black person since it is another black person using it.
Kurt Angle
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I want him to debate with ja rule
I love how no one likes to really answer that question anytime it gets brought up considering the reason the word began to be used as a term of endearment within the black community in the first place was to attempt to take the sting out of the word when someone white used it. A way to help prepare black children during a time when it was 100 percent certain they would be hearing it shouted at them backed with pure hate.
This is basically another one of those ways people want to try to blame blacks for racism. Stop using the nword and racism would go away.
Angelus Errare
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You don't understand. In America, it's always the responsibility of black people fix societal problems in the US.
- Disproportionate arrest rates for drugs despite similar usage among groups? Stop being arrested black people. Stop doing drugs!
- Disproportionate amount of abuse faced by cops or worse likelihood to be killed by cops? They probably did something to deserve that. Thugs, savages. We should check their high school record too...might have smoked weed like 4hrs prior. Also shouldn't have resisted if you didn't want to be shot dead bro. I totes got stopped one time, gave the officer my ID and everything was fine.
- Verbally/physically assaulted by racists? Both sides are equally bad, but you shouldn't have instigated by looking at them.
- Systematic discrimination? Well act better and they'll stop the discrimination, you have to earn it. Slavery ended <insert hyperbolic number here> years ago. Get over it, grow thicker skin. Our president is black, you can't say America still has racial issues!
- Racism in general? It'd totes go away if you people stopped bringing it up all the time.
- The huge gulf in economic and education quality? Stop listening to rap music, you need better leaders! Something in the black culture…
- N-word usage? If you people stopped using it, it'd totes go away.
I'll make the rest of the world a deal on behalf of all black people right now.
Generally, we don't suspect our fellow negros, with whom we share a culture and understanding, of malice when using the word. So, when we finally develop Telepathy (to go along with our Aggressive Step and Dehumanizing Stare abilities) and we can verify that people outside our culture aren't being racist assholes when they say the word by peaking into their minds and establishing their intent, then we'll start sharing it with you all.
Promise.
Generally, we don't suspect our fellow negros, with whom we share a culture and understanding, of malice when using the word. So, when we finally develop Telepathy (to go along with our Aggressive Step and Dehumanizing Stare abilities) and we can verify that people outside our culture aren't being racist assholes when they say the word by peaking into their minds and establishing their intent, then we'll start sharing it with you all.
Promise.
Angelus Errare
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Shit deal, I have a better one.
We'll trade the usage of the word "nigga" for actual legitimate equality across the board. But since THAT'S never gonna happen.…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiLpyfD-AGI
I don't know. That's why we need telepathy first.
Bobby Roberts
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How come black people get to have telepathy but I don't?
Truth.
Wish I had realized this earlier in my life, and I'm a white male who was raised in the upper middle class.
Our society really, really, really needs to look in the mirror.
Imperial Bishop
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Surprised it took this long before someone linked this song.
Angelus Errare
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If you're Native American you might also have telepathic powers. This latent ability unlocks if your people have gone through some shit in America.
bobbychalkers
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To aid us in complete global saturation for Operation Caliphate...I've already said too much.
I hardly think non-black people not being able to say nigga free of consequence is a "wrong". People thinking it is unfair that they can't use a word like nigga is ridiculous. It does not rob anyone of anything if they can't say it.
Angelus Errare
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Actually it does rob some people...it robs
I wouldn't ever say "nigga" or "nigger". I grew up in a very white suburb (there were three black families that I remember and my town was around 25,000 strong). But I did go to high school in a big city and I think that taught me a lot about what to say and what not to say.
Really it's about tone, and whether you're saying it to anger or hurt another person. There is always going to be anecdotal evidence between friends that it's okay to say. But I will never assume a stranger would be okay for me acknowledging them as their race instead of just as a person. And frankly I'm not comfortable enough doing it to do it to some of my closest friends.
Really it's about tone, and whether you're saying it to anger or hurt another person. There is always going to be anecdotal evidence between friends that it's okay to say. But I will never assume a stranger would be okay for me acknowledging them as their race instead of just as a person. And frankly I'm not comfortable enough doing it to do it to some of my closest friends.
I blame rap music, everyone who listens to rap music, says the N word all the time when quoting lyrics. Some people even address each other as a N, wether they are black or not. I know there is history behind the word, however hip hop artists should have not popularized the word. I am bangladeshi, and us asians don't address eachother as Paki's, there is a reason why Paki is only used in a racist context and barely used otherwise.
Oh yes, the people who only say it during an argument because they know it would hurt more than calling that person an asshole or something... but they're not racist!
It's only racist if you ignore all context. So what exactly do you lose for not being able to call me a nigga?
Nigga was used in movies, tv, music and popular culture long before hip hop existed. People knew not to use it then but now there is a generation of entitled babies who think it's unfair that they can't say because they aren't black.
Is this sarcasm?
Rappers didn't popularize it. Slave owners did a few hundred years earlier.
Angelus Errare
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Because your country is pretty homogenous and thus there was no reason to use Paki as a racial slur to put down and dehumanize your property who once freed were still systematically discriminated against and killed based solely on the color of their skin?
Or am I off?
Yeah fuck history and context.
I don't know why people criticize the reappropriation of the "n-word" as being a double standard. I always thought it was logical that you can't talk to certain groups the way they talk amongst themselves, especially if they have a history of being marginalized and/or still are. This might not be the best example, but I know gay and lesbian people who jokingly use homophobic language/slurs amongst themselves and women who call each other bitch or other slurs colloquially is a pretty common thing and for the most part people seem to understand pretty clearly that you can't talk to them like that if you aren't in the same "group" but when the n-word comes up there's always people complaining about how it's an evil double standard, black people should get over it or stop using it themselves etc.
This is something I actually never hear unless the person is trying to be ironic or funny, and it's always in the context of "chinky slant eye". In fact, I'd say using Western* intra-racist terms feels almost taboo. But I'm older so things like this never come up anymore. That's the way it was when I was in college - maybe things have changed though.
*But simple xenophobia (Koreans hating on Japanese or Chinese for example) is super common.
So I think these groups can do this, but on net I think, in the long term, it would be better for those groups if they didn't.
Bobby Roberts
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Maaaaaaan...
What if I have a lot of black friends, though? Like, is three enough? Three black friends and an asian dude? That should be enough to grant me a pass, right?
Gotta have that telepathy, man. I mean, to be honest, it burns me that you all can just be like, reading minds at the top of your lungs and I gotta be in the backseat nodding and just lip-syncing along. That's pretty bullshit.
Imperial Bishop
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Agree rappers did not popularize it, and slave owners did in a negative and racist context. Hip Hop culture and Rappers popularize it in a differect way. I know GAF will disagree with me so lets just agree to disagree, all I know is most of my white/asian/black friends I had when I was a youngster who listened to hip hop used the N word for quoting music and address each other. Perhaps they were in the minority and you are right GAf and I am wrong.
The civil rights era was like 50 years ago, buddy.
You are being extremely ignorant, breh. You think people just stopped using it and then started again when NWA started popping or what? WTF. The reappropriation of the n-word started before rap music btw.
Nigga was used in movies, tv, music and popular culture long before hip hop existed. People knew not to use it then but now there is a generation of entitled babies who think it's unfair that they can't say because they aren't black. Yes you are wrong.
The current generation have no idea of the history, the 15 year old white suburban boy addressing his white mate as a nigger learnt the word from a Lil Wayne song. By the way I am not in anyway saying the word should be okay to use, I am just simply saying why a lot of kids these days are using that word that is all.
bobbychalkers
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I thought this was an Angelus post until I got to I am bangladeshi.
Here is the plot twist. I am huge hop hop fan. My favourite artists are Nas, Immortal Technique and Old Kanye.
EDIT: I am going to bed now, I assume I will get a couple of replies destroying me, which should be fun to read at my lunch break at work tomorrow.
Angelus Errare
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You gain access to the lower levels of the Aggressive step techniques and teaching. Tread carefully though, it's a dark (lol) path.
What does being involved in slavery have to do with people not using a racial slur? Why is it so difficult for people to understand that they shouldn't use it if they are not black? What are you losing if you don't use it?
Oh you are a Nas, Immortal Technique and Old Kanye fan? Then by all means shout nigga from the rooftops!
EDIT:
Oh, so you're here just to troll.
spindashing
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Do you listen to Eminem?
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