Among the benefits of not watching TV is that I don't see politcal ads unless I want to, online. So I get to miss the $200m (wow) smear job.
PoliGAF 2012 Community Thread
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Among the benefits of not watching TV is that I don't see politcal ads unless I want to, online. So I get to miss the $200m (wow) smear job.
cartoon_soldier
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Jason's Ultimatum
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President Clinton was an awesome debator. He would literally fuck you up like a dog with its tail between its legs. God I miss him being POTUS.
And I'm not sold on the Buffet tax unless it's a different version from the one a month ago where it was revealed the tax wouldn't increase the revenue much. I'm for letting all Bush tax cuts expire, AND adding the Buffet tax.
And I'm not sold on the Buffet tax unless it's a different version from the one a month ago where it was revealed the tax wouldn't increase the revenue much. I'm for letting all Bush tax cuts expire, AND adding the Buffet tax.
Aaron Strife
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Yeah because him being overwhelmingly disapproved by... well, everyone will just disappear once he's the anointed one.
Al-ibn Kermit
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It's too early for Romney to campaign very hard against Obama. He has to wait for gas prices to get higher, for Greece to go in default, or for the individual mandate to be rules unconstitutional.
If everything goes well, then he has to bring up some bullshit social issue to act pissed off about. As we have seen, that can massively backfire.
This general election may possibly be more entertaining than the Republican primaries. We'll see.
If everything goes well, then he has to bring up some bullshit social issue to act pissed off about. As we have seen, that can massively backfire.
This general election may possibly be more entertaining than the Republican primaries. We'll see.
The Buffet Tax isn't meant to fix the deficit at all. It's whole purpose was to show how ridiculous the Republicans are in defending the rich. I never assumed it would be more than campaign fodder.
Doesn't have to be everyone. Just the Democrats and Independents who are fickle and dumb enough to forgive or forget. Republicans will largely fall in line once the ring wing propaganda machine gets completely and loudly behind Mitt. I think Phoenix's time frame is off, but that may be it.
Al-ibn Kermit
Junior Member
Eventually,Romney will trend up in swing state polls, but he has an uphill battle with his record of flip-flopping and all the crazy conservative views he had to endorse during the primaries. The anti-Romney ads are going to be pretty brutal.
Not to mention that the economy is improving and that Obama's campaign/superpacs probably will have more money to spend.
Not to mention that the economy is improving and that Obama's campaign/superpacs probably will have more money to spend.
Well here's your most retarded false equivalency article of the day:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/s-e-cupp...democratic-party-moved-left-but-she-is-right/
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/s-e-cupp...democratic-party-moved-left-but-she-is-right/
Aaron Strife
Banned
Blanche Lincoln didn't leave, she got her ass handed to her on a silver platter.
Why vote for DINOs when you can just have Republicans?
PantherLotus
Professional Schmuck
Something Wicked this way comes.
Also, PD: excited to see your orgiastic play-by-play of Romney's eventual 7-point loss. "his numbers should be going up any day now!"
LOL
Also, PD: excited to see your orgiastic play-by-play of Romney's eventual 7-point loss. "his numbers should be going up any day now!"
LOL
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
speaking of Voldemort (Rick Scott)
Rick Scott Vetoes Bill Sending Non-Violent Drug Offenders To Rehab After Serving Half Sentence In Jail
What a fucking asshole
They should be able to over-ride it since 99% voted for it.
Rick Scott Vetoes Bill Sending Non-Violent Drug Offenders To Rehab After Serving Half Sentence In Jail
What a fucking asshole
They should be able to over-ride it since 99% voted for it.
speculawyer
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The Buffet tax will probably never go anywhere. The point of the Buffet tax is to point out that the GOP is running a candidate that paid 13.9% tax on $20 million during times of massive deficits . . . and wants to cut his taxes further. Just repeat that for the next 6 months and win the election.
Edit: Beat by Al-ibn Kermit
speculawyer
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More of that great GOP "fiscal conservatism"
Well, at least he had a good reason to veto it . .
I . . . I . . . I just don't understand.
Black Mamba
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The Republican stance on drugs has always been baffling.
Until you realize Republicans just want to control your lives in every social aspect except when it comes to money. Then you're free to do whatever the fuck you want.
this gif is freaking me out.
eBay Huckster
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That might not even matter if other swing states are like Colorado - the PPP poll from today already has Mitt winning Republicans 83-11.
This thing is going to hinge on independents forgetting at least the last four months.
Oh god I can't stop laughing at that GIF
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
The GIF will be haunting me now, not the last 4 months.
makingmusic476
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Chichikov...
*applauds*
*applauds*
Black Mamba
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Posted? el oh fucking el.
http://news.yahoo.com/newt-gingrich-utah-primary-check-bounces-032418602--abc-news-politics.html
Al-ibn Kermit
Junior Member
TWO FITTY.
Black Republican
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and theres me thinking newt was Tiffany's hood rich
A great post should not go unrewarded. Good job.
Yeah, the dude just give me the creeps.
A paragon of fiscal responsibility.
Al-ibn Kermit
Junior Member
......how did Gingrich get loans for his campaign after February? Surely no one would think he had a chance of bouncing back.
Rocket Scientist
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So I guess what she means is people don't want to get what they vote for and or more centrist versions of things they vote for?
Sweet, you can now use what you learned during the primary to troll us straight into November
Black Republican
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Sweet, you can now use what you learned during the primary to troll us straight into November
poor PD gonna get banned before poligaf even reaches the general election
Invisible_Insane
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Without the economy being terrible, I think Mitt Romney is totally unable to generate a single affirmative reason for voters to support him.
SouthernDragon
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Fixed.
It's part and parcel of it. I just saw someone on FB post this:
Raised the debt more than any other president in their first term, created uncertainty in the economy through hundreds of new regulations, create more division among races, refuses to drill in shale fields, bows down to every other world leader while numerous previous pro-US states are now run by people against the US, gave hundreds of millions of dollars to campaign donors in corrupt solar deals, accepted the 2nd most amount of money from Fannie/Freddie Mac while he refused to reform the companies responsible for the 08 Recession... Oh but everyone cites his biggest accomplishment as enacting a divisive law that forces us to buy health insurance that is arguably unconstitutional.
Never mind that:
Republican Presidents have been largely responsible for the debt.
Uncertainty is caused by lack of knowledge of what regulations are going to be, not by new regulations which are unknown quantities.
Racial relations are getting better.
More drilling is going on overall.
Ect. ect. ect.
Christ.
benjipwns
Banned
I can't find it now unfortunately (it was from back in Feb I think), but I saw an article about how the whole "war on women" idea fires up the conservative women base which does a lot of heavy lifting and thus brings in the men.
Basically, conservative men support Republicans, it's what they do but they might stay home, and it's the conservative females who bring in the turnout and get people riled up.
Correspondingly you have low turnout in "liberal" women so they don't really impact elections as much. (Like young people.) But all of these conservative women get out in droves, forcing their men to the polls and etc.
Wish I could find it. Tried searching but honestly didn't try too hard.
Maybe it was a Derbyshire article though, so who knows.
In other words, I can't find the fucking link, but I did want to forward the idea because it's mildly interesting.
Basically, conservative men support Republicans, it's what they do but they might stay home, and it's the conservative females who bring in the turnout and get people riled up.
Correspondingly you have low turnout in "liberal" women so they don't really impact elections as much. (Like young people.) But all of these conservative women get out in droves, forcing their men to the polls and etc.
Wish I could find it. Tried searching but honestly didn't try too hard.
Maybe it was a Derbyshire article though, so who knows.
In other words, I can't find the fucking link, but I did want to forward the idea because it's mildly interesting.
Don't worry, those of us who are logically consistent won't do anything but vote for Gary Johnson if he survives the cult.
Rocket Scientist
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Various high profile conservative women have been turning the war on women debate around by highlighting how conservative women are the target of ridicule and insult by liberals. War on conservative women etc. It's ridiculous.
I think Romney's success thus far is indicative of the power the DrudgeReport has over influential Republicans in America. Talk Radio and Fox News have not been carrying the Romney banner for the past 6 months. In fact, they have been slying digging on his campaign and trying to boost up whatever flavor of the month they could latch onto.
Granted, much of Romney's success also lends to his opponents sticking their own gun into their mouth and repeatedly pulling a trigger ... but only one right-wing source has been there to report each time it has occurred.
It's impossible of course to quantify this is an real manner, but I think it's just another example of why people like Rush or Fox News don't quite have the pull some people in the left like to grant them.
Granted, much of Romney's success also lends to his opponents sticking their own gun into their mouth and repeatedly pulling a trigger ... but only one right-wing source has been there to report each time it has occurred.
It's impossible of course to quantify this is an real manner, but I think it's just another example of why people like Rush or Fox News don't quite have the pull some people in the left like to grant them.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Agreed. I have been amazed at the low amount of support that romney has gotten from any talk radio personality, despite the fact that he has almost always been a lock for the nominee.
RustyNails
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I think you're reading too much into it. Romney's successes have been the result of "someone who can defeat Obama", ie, default candidate. Had a single competent candidate ran this year, he could've easily bested Romney and defeated the other clowns by a wide margin. Seriously. The rest of the field is so depressing. Rick Santorum, a guy who lost his senate seat by 18 points and Newt Gingrich? C'mon. Even Romney sucks ass. Dude's campaigning for half a decade and wins FL by a slight margin after overspending his opponent by 4 times. He can't do shit without drowning his opponents in attack money.
That seems a bit reductive. Drudge was certainly influential. But it's merely a component of a broader explanation for Romney's success. It was apparent whom the party wanted, or perhaps rejected this cycle as the alternatives were unpalatable. It wasn't the most enthusiastic embrace, but none of his competitors legitimately contended for party support after Perry's candidacy spectacularly fizzled.
But I agree this contest displayed the limits of the partisan press. The old institutions of power still matter.
Even the economy was not necessarily a reason to vote for Romney as much as sanction Obama. The consequences are identical, yet the motivations are distinctive. He'd just be the beneficiary given our political dyad. And that's largely a function of the retrospective nature of elections.
benjipwns
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From what I read yesterday, Drudge is part of the lamestream media plot to smear Newt Gingrich by quoting what he says, undermine his conservative bonifides and hand over the nomination to the Marxist Mitt Romney.
I saw a lot of this when the Rush Limbaugh thing came out. Actually, a lot of the most ardent Rush supporters railing against "paying for someone else's birth control" were old women. Women can be kind of vicious with each other, especially when there's an age divide, so it wouldn't surprise me much if the conservative women were riled up now.
Rush may not have as much pull as he used to, but look at the line Romney's touting now. He's saying Obama's economic policies are the war on women. I heard that same line straight from Rush first, and then Fox news followed shortly behind.
Don't get me wrong, the intangibles of Romney made him a viable candidate. He had executive experience in both private and public life, is relatively scandal free, has a huge money advantage and had run for President already. These factors already gave him a leg up on his competitors. But he also had some huge liabilities that made him extremely vunerable to be eclipsed by just about anyone. I'm not trying to insinuate that Drudge plucked some guy out of obscurity and elevated him to front runner, I'm just saying that he definitely helped him weather the storms and come out on top.
I'm just contending that in the whole right-wing media landscape, Drudge is undoubtedly more powerful and influential than the others.
The Librarian
Banned
Chris Christie is a dick, example #67843: "people sitting on a couch waiting for their next government check."
You know, the more I hear from this guy, the less presidential I see him. The dude can't control his temper.
You know, the more I hear from this guy, the less presidential I see him. The dude can't control his temper.
The Librarian
Banned
Those numbers seem to be in line with the last time we faced a long recession. This one being much deeper and with more population affected.
An updated review of the CTBT by the NRC dispels manufactured concerns about the unreliability of the monitoring regime and our ability to maintain a functional stockpile without testing. There was scant reason to reject the treaty in the late 90s, and the few legitimate objections have been thoroughly confuted. The issue will not be addressed before the election. But I suspect Obama will pursue ratification next year. The BAS has a brief primer distilling the most salient conclusions of the report.
Also, the seeds for a residual presence in Afghanistan are already being sown. And unlike the Iraqis, Karzai wants our presence. He can fulminate and claim otherwise, but it's obvious our presence buttresses his regime. A decade on, and we're still profligately wasting exorbitant sums on a target of marginal strategic value.
I've been convincing myself that Obama won't win Florida, but if he somehow did he would win by default because there's really no path to victory for Romney without Florida, while there is for Obama.
All Obama really needs is the Kerry map + Iowa + Nevada + Colorado + New Mexico. I think he'll be fairly safe in all of those states.
All Obama really needs is the Kerry map + Iowa + Nevada + Colorado + New Mexico. I think he'll be fairly safe in all of those states.
speculawyer
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But he has a $500K credit line at TIffany's. Maybe they can lend him $500.
PPP's latest have Obama up 13 in Colorado, 16 in New Mexico, and 8 in Nevada. Not much polling data from Iowa lately but it's probably pretty safe to say Obama will win there, too. Of course he has states like Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, and Virginia in play, as well, so he has many more paths to 270 open to him than Romney.
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