Just like women voted in droves for McCain because he picked a woman VP, amirite?
FYI, iirc, women voted 56-43 Obama in 2008. 15% isn't unreasonable given the GOPs fucktardis war on women as of late.
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Just like women voted in droves for McCain because he picked a woman VP, amirite?
FYI, iirc, women voted 56-43 Obama in 2008. 15% isn't unreasonable given the GOPs fucktardis war on women as of late.
That doesn't account for position.
PhoenixDark
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Agreed for the most part. If the economy slumps, numbers will go down with everyone except a couple groups - as I said earlier. I happen to believe things will start stagnating soon.
But I do believe Romney will do better than McCain even if the economy stabilizes, in part because even solid jobs growth will still leave us with high unemployment rates
There must be something inherently ironic about a candidate who is pushing his ability to get people back to work, when as an executive, all he did was put people out of work and pocket the savings.
The man fired many more people than he hired...his state had one of the worst economic growths during his governorship of any state in the Union.
People think Romney is good on Jobs because he's a Repub, it comes with the territory. But much like being strong on national defense, Obama has been able to reverse that and strengthen his case to where he's now favored.
Some facts of Romney actually BEING a job-killer in very practical real ways, and not just in idealogical arguments about possible policy ramifications should sour the public on Romney's desire to create jobs.
Not to mention he wants to consolidate and remove agencies (lost jobs) and he's got countless money in off shore accounts which he hasn't been using to hire employees here. His real life "jobs" record is abysmal
The man fired many more people than he hired...his state had one of the worst economic growths during his governorship of any state in the Union.
People think Romney is good on Jobs because he's a Repub, it comes with the territory. But much like being strong on national defense, Obama has been able to reverse that and strengthen his case to where he's now favored.
Some facts of Romney actually BEING a job-killer in very practical real ways, and not just in idealogical arguments about possible policy ramifications should sour the public on Romney's desire to create jobs.
Not to mention he wants to consolidate and remove agencies (lost jobs) and he's got countless money in off shore accounts which he hasn't been using to hire employees here. His real life "jobs" record is abysmal
Right, now let Obama make that argument "Well, you see, I just don't put women in positions that make higher salaries...."
PhoenixDark
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You can't be serious
Sure, whatever makes you feel better.
Genius, The law says women get paid the same for the same work / positions. Not for showing up to the work force. This is the type of right wing misconstrued statistical bullshit that no one ever trusts to right wing to be genuine about.
He's got a female secretary of state, nominated two females to the Supreme Court...that's already above and beyond what most predecessors have done. It's classic Rovian tactics of using lies and smear campaigns to go after a candidates strengths, and every time a ring wing outlet or individual uses it, they further lose credibility as a party of racists who'll do anything and say anything to cheat their way into office.
Also, your bolded, Romney pays women less than men in his companies. He does it for equal positions, and famously said the reason so few women have executive positions at his companies is because he can't "find enough qualified women for those positions"...So no Romney pays women less than men. Republicans have never been, and will never be a party that understands women's issues. They frowned upon abortion rights, frowned upon the feminist movement, frowned upon contraception, frowned upon women in the work force, and are now passing legislation to block or repeal laws that allow women to have equal pay in states across the union.
The Republican party is the party that serves the interests of corporations, and white males. Minorities aren't well served by Republicans, and women aren't well served by Republicans...them's just the facts
Invisible_Insane
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I'm sure the figures you're citing account for position, experience, levels of education...
Kosmo gonna Kosmo.
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I really don't think it does (for reason Phoenix mentioned), BUT, ignoring that, it will because people made it about birth control and abortion vs the other points you made. It limits the scope of the narrative.
People underestimate the narrative of birth control and contraception. Those things aren't equal to abortion. about 30% of this country is the fringe right, and most of those are males. The vast majority of women feel very strongly about allowing contraception and birth control to be part of women's lives. They see it no differently than condoms for men. It is one thing to go after 3rd tri-mester abortions and another thing entirely to pick a fight with birth control pills and contraception
The right is so obtuse about the issue and so radical that they have a hard time seeing the difference. But women in this country see a fundamental difference between those issues, and this was the first time in a long time that the debate wasn't focused on abortion, and was instead focused on preventive steps to avoid pregnancy while still sexually active...and that was a huge mistake Republicans made.
Edit: No women that I know who are on the pill, including any one I've dated, actually likes the pill. It ruins their hormonal system, it affects their dieting, and throws off their period. And it's a huge nuisance. They do it because they want to take personal responsibility for their own bodies and have a backup plan in case a condom breaks or a variety of other facts necessitate it. Now they are being attacked for being responsible adults who are taking on an extra burden for themselves and their significant others.
Women voters won't vote just on this issue, but it doesn't make it that the fringe right's views on this issue are any less shocking or damning
Never doubt our ability to fixate on minutiae.
Of course they controlled for such factors. Do you think Kosmo would propagate fallacious nonsense?
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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I would like to read more conservative takes in this thread, but stuff like that just doesn't cut the mustard, to put it mildly.
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He says he supports equal pay, but will he back the equal pay bills put forth? What about the history of the companies he has run? How have women faired at equal positions against men?
Most people don't actually know what exactly is in the healthcare bill, once they find out, they tend to have a different view. Wanna bet Obama will be focusing on the specifics of the healthcare bill?
"Hey, I can't help it if the only thing women are qualified for is being a Secretary" right?
Did you just backhandedly compliment Hillary Clinton?
PhoenixDark
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Equal pay is already the law, and he has said he does not support repealing Ledbetter.
ClovingWestbrook
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Never change Kosmo. Never change.
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You ignored everything else about my post. And if equal pay for women is already a law and not an issue at all, then that crap Kosmo and Republican bloggers are writing about right now would be impossible, no?
Black Mamba
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It's a median salary, not average.
There could be more women with high paying jobs than men and still have a lower median.
math, how does it work?
Lol thank you
Again Kosmo...Worst case scenario, Obama has been paying women less for the SAME positions...Romney's been doing that all his life sooooooo
The Librarian
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He doesn't support changing current law, but that's hardly an enthusiastic endorsement.
You can still discriminate by who you hire for which position. Regardless, this is only a talking point for Republicans to use against Obama, but something he would have to address - and any addressing of it will just be trying to justify it in some way. Even if it's a perfectly reasonable explanation, it's a loser to have to explain it.
Just like he comments on Augusta National not having women members, and yet in the 90+ rounds he's played as President, there are no records of a woman ever being in his foursome.
ClovingWestbrook
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Know who else commented about Augusta? Wait for it... Mitt Romney...
And talking point? LOL no.
Is Mitt even a golfer? If not, there is no hypocrisy to point out on his end in this regard.
PhoenixDark
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Now we're quibbling over tone? lol
He supports the current law, end of story. Dems had their fun for a few hours yesterday but that issue is no longer on the table to kick around
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Wrong.
He golfed with women twice in 93 rounds since taking office.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=150193654
lol
Regarding equal pay for women or minorities or whoever. If they are just as productive and get paid less then why don't you see loads of businesses ONLY hiring women? You could pay them less than men and undercut all your competitors and put them out of business. The idea that equally skilled, hard working, and dedicated women get paid less than men is a complete fallacy.
PhoenixDark
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Surely you realize this is pathetic, and I'd imagine you heard it from Rush or someone else. If this is the GOP playbook for winning back women, good fucking luck.
edit: haha, he's actually golfed with women after all.
ClovingWestbrook
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Welp, there goes that.
Invisible_Insane
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I have a feeling you're going to turn this chicken inside out when (if?) you extract yourself from it.
Rubio says he isn't going to be the VP
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Could be legit, could be playing dumb. I'm going to settle on playing dumb. Rubio getting WH experience would make him all the more "seasoned" for being a Presidential candidate someday. He's young enough where it would really be advantageous for him to take on a VP role and still be at a good age for the Presidency when that's over with.
for now
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2012/03/28/marco-rubio-says-he-won-t-be-v-p.html
Could be legit, could be playing dumb. I'm going to settle on playing dumb. Rubio getting WH experience would make him all the more "seasoned" for being a Presidential candidate someday. He's young enough where it would really be advantageous for him to take on a VP role and still be at a good age for the Presidency when that's over with.
Invisible_Insane
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Just let them have it.
PhoenixDark
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He's an impressive orator and doesn't rely on a teleprompter
The Chosen One
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This Rosin thing is such a fake controversy. This is like Michelle Obama twitter blasting some Fox News analyst for the many lies/insults they said about her. Talk about punching down, but I guess it's a slow news day. Props to the Romney campaign for making random talking-head chatter a legit news story.
ClovingWestbrook
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PD wrong once again.
yeah, but he doesnt NEED them, they were probably there for someone else!
Invisible_Insane
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Democrats are shitty at politics, and this is just one more display of that ineptitude. Punching down, indeed.
Really, PD?
The Chosen One
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The GOP: Where proficient speaking skills makes you a great orator.
Invisible_Insane
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Sick burn, Catholic League. ClovingSteam has a thread on this in the OT.
This reminds me of how David Plouffe recommended to Obama to focus on welfare/Medicare cuts after Paul Ryan's budget and the GOP's embrace of it handed them a huge boon for the upcoming elections. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so dumb.
No on birth control, no on abortion.
But god looks down on those that adopt those unwanted children...
Classy
Wait, Catholics are now against adoptions?
Catholics?
Really?
They are losing their (theological) mind over politics.
Black Mamba
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Dat trickle down- Status
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