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PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Never mind, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Vermillion

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RDreamer said:
I think what was confusing to me was the 2 or 3 musician threads I've seen where they post their own stuff. Specifically I remember that Timberwolf guy doing it. I figured it was kind of a fine line thing where new posters couldn't come in and do that, but if a poster who's been around does something noteworthy it was fine. I dunno.
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I imagine that it has to do with the notion that NeoGAF has no official politics.
 
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Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
EviLore said:
Not true at all. The thread exists here because it was acting as a vacuum for all political news and discussion on the Off-Topic forum. What was it, the state of the union address last year that didn't even get a dedicated thread? Only served to alienate the general GAF population and stifle discussion at large for the sake of the convenience of a small core group of dedicated PoliGAF members who lived in the megathread.
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It was a primary debate, as I recall.
 
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Chichikov

Member
RDreamer said:
I think what was confusing to me was the 2 or 3 musician threads I've seen where they post their own stuff. Specifically I remember that Timberwolf guy doing it. I figured it was kind of a fine line thing where new posters couldn't come in and do that, but if a poster who's been around does something noteworthy it was fine. I dunno.
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Consistency is fucking overrated.
Those are all judgment calls, they make it the best they can.
Do they sometime get them wrong?
Sure, but unless it's something critical, I think it's in everyone's interest to just get on with their fucking life.
Have you seen this forum?
Have you seen the type of threads there are out there?
Do you really think they need to deal with crap from the political junkies crowd as well?

Edit: to clarify, I understand and support the ban on using GAF a view promoting platform, I have no idea what's the best way to enforce it, but again, considering that at this very second, someone, somewhere is posting furry porn, I think there are more pressing issues.
 
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ClovingWestbrook

Banned
Holy crap

Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said Sunday that Democrats in the Senate intend to draft a budget this year that will include revenues, regardless of House Republicans use of the debt ceiling to force the Senate to come up with a budget.

"We're going to do a budget this year, and it's going to have revenues in it," he said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "And our Republican colleagues better get used to that fact."

Schumer said Democrats always intended to come up with a budget blueprint this year and that they would take advantage of the opportunity to include tax reform and bring in more revenues by closing loopholes.
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Hitokage

Setec Astronomer
Chichikov said:
Edit: to clarify, I understand and support the ban on using GAF a view promoting platform, I have no idea what's the best way to enforce it, but again, considering that at this very second, someone, somewhere is posting furry porn, I think there are more pressing issues.
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It'll still be there. No rush.
 
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RDreamer

Member
ClovingWestbrook said:
Holy crap
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Sounds like the dems are getting balls? Good. Good.

Hopefully it's more revenue from the top end (redistribution!)


Chichikov said:
Consistency is fucking overrated.
Those are all judgment calls, they make it the best they can.
Do they sometime get them wrong?
Sure, but unless it's something critical, I think it's in everyone's interest to just get on with their fucking life.
Have you seen this forum?
Have you seen the type of threads there are out there?
Do you really think they need to deal with crap from the political junkies crowd as well?

Edit: to clarify, I understand and support the ban on using GAF a view promoting platform, I have no idea what's the best way to enforce it, but again, considering that at this very second, someone, somewhere is posting furry porn, I think there are more pressing issues.
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Agreed, lol.

To clarify, I'm not salty at all. I don't really care that much about consistency. EviLore can do what he wants on his forum. If he didn't think that thread was a good idea, then whatever. Not my call. I can see his side.
 
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dabig2

Member
Hitokage said:
It was a primary debate, as I recall.
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No, it was definitely the state of the union address. That I remember very clearly because I was confused that such a drastic action as an incognito banishment of Poligaf to what was then a very dark place happened because of a a relatively boring (in my opinion of course) event like the SoTU.
 
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Magni

Member
Cyan said:
So, again, this is the internet and whether something is self-promotion or just sharing info and starting a discussion is always going to be a judgment call. But I would strongly recommend not getting into the habit of linking to your blog posts. To use Oblivion as an example again, he's linked to his blog a few times, but it's been when there was some interesting reason to do so, like when he got a response from the guy from National Review. If he were tossing up a link every time he blogs something, that'd be a problem.
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I'm currently writing an opinion piece for DHP, that I would have posted here as a *long* post if the blog didn't exist. (I got the impression that DHP's use would be as a database of these long opinion posts that we get in PoliGAF without the smaller news posts and meta-discussion sprinkled in between).

Would it be OK to copy-paste my post here? Just want to make sure.
 
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RDreamer

Member
Cyan said:
So, again, this is the internet and whether something is self-promotion or just sharing info and starting a discussion is always going to be a judgment call. But I would strongly recommend not getting into the habit of linking to your blog posts. To use Oblivion as an example again, he's linked to his blog a few times, but it's been when there was some interesting reason to do so, like when he got a response from the guy from National Review. If he were tossing up a link every time he blogs something, that'd be a problem.
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Yeah, I realize there's gone to be an odd fine line.

A lot of my posts are going to be responses to current events, and so I think it'd be a little odd to artificially have to create some new response to that event (and it'd probably be an event I want people here to know about, because it's interesting... after all why the hell would I do a piece on it to begin with?). Not posting anything that also goes there unless someone else responds to it elsewhere seems kind of odd to me, too. In that case it's more of a back pat post (nothing wrong with that, really) whereas I'd look at a normal cross-blog-post as something meant to spark discussion. And that's what this community is supposed to be for, discussion.

I mean, yeah don't just post a link to the blog or something. That'd be kind of obvious fishing. But I don't see what's wrong with posting the event or thing we're responding to, and a quote from what we posted there. We cross post all sorts of facebook stuff all the time, and I don't see a huge difference, mostly because we're not monetizing the blog or anything right now. It's just a thing that exists to house these posts, and other people can see it there, too.
 
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ClovingWestbrook

Banned
Just completed my first post regarding the GOP as the party of God. This is one of the areas that I am most passionate about. The union of the GOP and evangelicals has done so much damage to both groups it's disgusting. I find it so hypocritical that the GOP so often argues going to war against a theocratic government when they are members of a party who in the last few decades has gotten closer and closer to arguing for such a system here, though they haven't said t outright.
 
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RDreamer

Member
ClovingWestbrook said:
Just completed my first post regarding the GOP as the party of God. This is one of the areas that I am most passionate about. The union of the GOP and evangelicals has done so much damage to both groups it's disgusting. I find it so hypocritical that the GOP so often argues going to war against a theocratic government when they are members of a party who in the last few decades has gotten closer and closer to arguing for such a system here, though they haven't said t outright.
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The gist of your post is something I've had to struggle with in the past, too. My parents are definitely of the notion that if you're Christian you have to be Republican. They've often said straight out to me that they can't vote Democrat because they're Christian. My mom helps out with an elderly lady, and she and my dad have often said they didn't understand how she could be a devout Christian and a Democrat.

At some point I want to sit down and lay out for them how you can be, and specifically why I am. Point for point.

Arguing for a more theocratic government also has me perplexed, because the same sorts seem to worship the constitution and founding fathers. A few of those founding fathers were really not the sort of religious people they these people think they are. There are some Jefferson quotes out there that would make a tea partier's eyes pop.
 
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ClovingWestbrook

Banned
RDreamer said:
The gist of your post is something I've had to struggle with in the past, too. My parents are definitely of the notion that if you're Christian you have to be Republican. They've often said straight out to me that they can't vote Democrat because they're Christian. My mom helps out with an elderly lady, and she and my dad have often said they didn't understand how she could be a devout Christian and a Democrat.

At some point I want to sit down and lay out for them how you can be, and specifically why I am. Point for point.

Arguing for a more theocratic government also has me perplexed, because the same sorts seem to worship the constitution and founding fathers. A few of those founding fathers were really not the sort of religious people they these people think they are. There are some Jefferson quotes out there that would make a tea partier's eyes pop.
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Yep. Many of the fathers used Christian speak, may have liberally referenced scripture and even used the term God at points, but weren't theists. Yet to hear it from today's GOP you would assume that Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and others were diehard evangelicals.
 
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RDreamer

Member
ClovingWestbrook said:
Yep. Many of the fathers used Christian speak, may have liberally referenced scripture and even used the term God at points, but weren't theists. Yet to hear it from today's GOP you would assume that Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, and others were diehard evangelicals.
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The stranger thing about that is that even if they were diehard evangelicals, that sort of evangelical has changed. Abortion was Biblically acceptable until Falwell came along, and that's kind of one of their biggest pillars.
 
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ClovingWestbrook

Banned
RDreamer said:
The stranger thing about that is that even if they were diehard evangelicals, that sort of evangelical has changed. Abortion was Biblically acceptable until Falwell came along, and that's kind of one of their biggest pillars.
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Good point. Evangelicalism has changed even in the last 5-6 years. Many groups under the banner of evangelicalism are much more antagonistic towards government and are approaching tea party levels of paranoia and being martyrs, at least in their own minds.
 
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Tim-E

Member
It's time for another stupid chain Facebook picture.

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What the hell does this even mean?

I've seen several of these pro-gun pictures using Andy Griffith. I wonder if anyone making and sharing these images knows that he was a huge Democrat his entire life.
 
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Mario

Sidhe / PikPok
Tim-E said:
I've seen several of these pro-gun pictures using Andy Griffith. I wonder if anyone making and sharing these images knows that he was a huge Democrat his entire life.
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We didn't get many of his shows here in NZ, but wasn't he known for doing wholesome "family values" stuff? I assume this is an appeal to suggest gun control goes against the small town, Apple pie eating, "normal" family values America "we grew up with". In other words, more evidence Obama is changing traditional America and it needs to be taken back.
 
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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Mario said:
We didn't get many of his shows here in NZ, but wasn't he known for doing wholesome "family values" stuff? I assume this is an appeal to suggest gun control goes against the small town, Apple pie eating, "normal" family values America "we grew up with". In other words, more evidence Obama is changing traditional America and it needs to be taken back.
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This is what they're going for, but like Tim points out the entire premise is based on a lie. Also The Onion has something to say about the idyllic times they think we once had.

'Good Old Days' Traced Back To Single Weekend In 1948

BOSTON—A study published Monday by a group of linguists, historians, and semioticians has proved the concept of "the good old days" can be traced back to the weekend of June 19, 1948. "After extensive interviews, analysis of personal correspondence, and repeated viewings of that week's Ed Sullivan Show, we have pinpointed the precise time period this phrase signifies," said researcher Patrick Washington, explaining that during the 48-hour period, no hard work went unrewarded and normal folks could count on hope for the future. "During this brief window, a man was a man, a woman was a woman, and people had the decency to stop you on the street and say hello. At least until Sunday at 11:53 p.m." The study also confirmed that throughout these two "good old days" singer Peggy Lee was on the radio and the weather was just perfect.
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Tim-E said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/20/joe-biden-iowa-inauguration-ball_n_2514048.html

At an Iowa ball, Biden said he was "Proud to be President."

After Biden taking control with the gun control proposals and the fiscal cliff negotiations in addition to him schmoozing with Iowa officials, I absolutely think he's going to run in four years.

O'Malley was also at the event.
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If he does and I have a different sort of job, I'll be donating my time for sure.
 
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Joe Shlabotnik

Banned
Tim-E said:
It's time for another stupid chain Facebook picture.

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What the hell does this even mean?

I've seen several of these pro-gun pictures using Andy Griffith. I wonder if anyone making and sharing these images knows that he was a huge Democrat his entire life.
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It's half a joke, I guess--Barney was only allowed to carry a single bullet in his shirt pocket for his gun.
 
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Tim-E

Member
B-Dubs said:
If he does and I have a different sort of job, I'll be donating my time for sure.
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He deserves to be President, gaffes or not. He's been a huge benefit to this Administration. He prevented the Democrats from committing mass suicide following Obama's first debate by making Paul Ryan look like a complete joke. Unlike Obama, he seems to revel in working with Congress and I think his long relationship with Congress would greatly benefit him.
 
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Bowdz

Member
Tim-E said:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/20/joe-biden-iowa-inauguration-ball_n_2514048.html

At an Iowa ball, Biden said he was "Proud to be President."

After Biden taking control with the gun control proposals and the fiscal cliff negotiations in addition to him schmoozing with Iowa officials, I absolutely think he's going to run in four years.

O'Malley was also at the event.
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I don't see anyone on the dem side running for sure until Hillary has made up her mind on a possible run. After all of the campaigning Clinton did for Obama last year not to mention the great work Hillary did as SoS, I have a hard time seeing Obama supporting Biden over Clinton if both were to run, especially if Bill decides to call in his chits. If Hillary sits 2016 out, its Biden's to lose.
 
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Mike M

Nick N
I really can't wait for something other than gun control to be the topic de jour. Although it is amusing that not to long ago I recall people talking about how the right already won the gun control debate and that he topic was dead as an issue.

Probably Phoenix Dark
 
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Black Mamba

Member
Finally got around to putting my post up. We can still mention that we posted an article like Oblivion does, right?

http://deadheatpolitics.com/2013/01/21/nobody-likes-republicans-not-even-republicans/

I discuss how people look at Congressional Republicans (and party as a whole) so poorly, how it's their own fault, and really how they're kind of fucked by it for a little while.

Basically, the party's ideas are no longer mainstream, they bring little to the actual table, and they've brainwashed their base so badly that now that they're forced to play ball with Obama, they simply can't.
 
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NYCmetsfan

Banned
Black Mamba said:
Finally got around to putting my post up. We can still mention that we posted an article like Oblivion does, right?

http://deadheatpolitics.com/2013/01/21/nobody-likes-republicans-not-even-republicans/

I discuss how people look at Congressional Republicans (and party as a whole) so poorly, how it's their own fault, and really how they're kind of fucked by it for a little while.

Basically, the party's ideas are no longer mainstream, they bring little to the actual table, and they've brainwashed their base so badly that now that they're forced to play ball with Obama, they simply can't.
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Great article! I want to contribute but you guys are making me too scared with my crappy writing ability!
 
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Jack Remington

Banned
Sucks that you guys can't promote the blog here, but I guess if Evilore let you guys do it, he'd have to let everyone do it, and that might get out of hand.

I would recommend finding some discussions on sites like politico, yahoo, cnn, etc, and linking to stories from deadheatpolitics. Also, I'm not sure if you guys have one or not, but you should definitely get a twitter account started, and try to build up a base of followers.
 
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googleplex

Member
Tim-E said:
It's time for another stupid chain Facebook picture.

fYhckuR.jpg



What the hell does this even mean?

I've seen several of these pro-gun pictures using Andy Griffith. I wonder if anyone making and sharing these images knows that he was a huge Democrat his entire life.
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This is extra funny because Sheriff Any was known for not carrying a gun! During the entire run if the show he strapped on a gun maybe once or twice.
 
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Mrs. Manky

Banned
Tim-E said:
It's time for another stupid chain Facebook picture.

fYhckuR.jpg



What the hell does this even mean?

I've seen several of these pro-gun pictures using Andy Griffith. I wonder if anyone making and sharing these images knows that he was a huge Democrat his entire life.
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Anyone who watched the old show knows that Andy is teasing Barney there. Barney was so clumsy that he was only allowed to carry one bullet. And he was still probably going to shoot himself in the foot with that bullet anyways.

And as has been stated, Andy almost never carried a gun, save for when something /serious/ was going down (like some real hardcore gangstas from Mount Pilot coming to town).

Internet pro-gun types: Please stop using the Andy Griffith Show for your agenda.
 
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Zeus Molecules

illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Bowdz said:
I don't see anyone on the dem side running for sure until Hillary has made up her mind on a possible run. After all of the campaigning Clinton did for Obama last year not to mention the great work Hillary did as SoS, I have a hard time seeing Obama supporting Biden over Clinton if both were to run, especially if Bill decides to call in his chits. If Hillary sits 2016 out, its Biden's to lose.
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He would likely excuse himself from giving an endorsement until the primary was over due to his professional relationship to both.
 
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electricpirate

Member
GhaleonEB said:
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You don't say...
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10 years from now, they'll realize how far the right they could have pushed Obama, and conservatives will kick themselves. Not to mention how a few of them could have supported the health care bill, to get provisions that they have long fought for into the bill, but instead chose blanket opposition, and the bill still got passed.

Not to get all Phoenix Dark, but blanket Republican opposition saved Obama from himself a few times in negotiations. They seemed like masterful negotiators, until they revealed themselves to be simply insane.
 
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FyreWulff

Member
electricpirate said:
10 years from now, they'll realize how far the right they could have pushed Obama, and conservatives will kick themselves. Not to mention how a few of them could have supported the health care bill to get provisions that they have long faught for into the bill, but instead chose blanket opposition, and the bill still got passed.

Not to get all Phoenix Dark, but blanket Republican opposition saved Obama from himself a few times in negotations. They seemed like masterful negotioators, till you realized they were just insane.
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After a while, Obama figured out to just ask for what the Republican Party wanted and they started eating themselves. Remember the State of the Union where they tried to no-sell him for the entire thing and he broke them?
 
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Tim-E

Member
This morning I wrote a bit about the things that can impact Obama's second term. It mostly focuses on his insulation and his dislike for schmoozing. I feel like the two things we're going to see this term are Obama's attempts to build up some sort of relationship with Congress and his use of the Biden card repeatedly. If the Administration wants to accomplish immigration reform and gun control with a Republican house, they're going to have to break out of their bubble.
 
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