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PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Never mind, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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FyreWulff

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airmangataosenai said:
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Conservatism: so far gone that feeding people is viewed as a bad thing.

Damn people, being able to eat and live and shit
 
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Chichikov

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speculawyer said:
I just don't get it. Are they saying people in the USA are not free? Exactly what 'freedom' do they not have?
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The freedom of not having a marginal tax rate higher than today.

But joking aside, many conservative actually believes that fear of hunger and homelessness is a great motivator, and when you give people some sort of safety net, you rob them of the great engine that will drive their success.
I don't know a lot of people who are poor, were poor or even know poor people who thinks like that.

People truly have an amazing capacity of rationalizing in moral terms what is in their economic best interests.
 
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RDreamer

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Slept in my old room last night, which my dad has turned into a "man cave." He's got a few interesting books (and mostly books on tape) in there now. 2 Glenn Beck books on CDs, and one book. Predictable. He's also got some libertarian book called The Mainspring of Human Progress that apparently tries to argue libertarianism as derived from Christianity. He's also got Atlas Shrugged on CDs, too, which is weird because my dad intensely dislikes fiction (outside of a scattered few comedies).
 
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FLEABttn

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RDreamer said:
Slept in my old room last night, which my dad has turned into a "man cave." He's got a few interesting books (and mostly books on tape) in there now. 2 Glenn Beck books on CDs, and one book. Predictable. He's also got some libertarian book called The Mainspring of Human Progress that apparently tries to argue libertarianism as derived from Christianity. He's also got Atlas Shrugged on CDs, too, which is weird because my dad intensely dislikes fiction (outside of a scattered few comedies).
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Atlas Shrugged isn't fiction, it's the reality we currently live in~

Who is John Galt indeed~
 
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RDreamer

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Wtf is this shit

The federal government will continue to access Americans’ emails without a warrant, after the U.S. Senate dropped a key amendment to legislation now headed to the White House for approval.



Last month, the Senate Judiciary Committee approved an amendment attached to the Video Privacy Protection Act Amendments Act (which deals with publishing users’ Netflix information on Facebook pages) that would have required federal law enforcement to obtain a warrant before monitoring email or other data stored remotely (i.e., the cloud).



The Senate was set to approve the video privacy bill along with the email amendment, which would have applied to a different law, the 1986 Electronic Communications Privacy Act. But then senators decided for reasons unknown to drop the amendment.
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Goddammit, congress...
 
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Delusibeta

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Copernicus said:
To be fair, they keep trying to attach it to really stupid special interest measures.

(Netflix/Facebook tie in?)
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Basically, the joke is that Netflix wants to use Facebook for logins and for auto-sharing what films their users are watching with their Facebook friends for obvious free-advertising-and-easy-signing-up-new-members based reasons. They do this over here in the UK and presumably in Canada. However, they can't do that in the US due to an old law banning the publication by a company of what films anyone rents, presumably due to a porn scandal that I can't be bothered looking up on Wiki. That's probably what has been changed. They also snuck in a block on the Feds invading your e-privacy, but that's been scrapped.
 
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speculawyer

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RDreamer said:
Slept in my old room last night, which my dad has turned into a "man cave." He's got a few interesting books (and mostly books on tape) in there now. 2 Glenn Beck books on CDs, and one book. Predictable. He's also got some libertarian book called The Mainspring of Human Progress that apparently tries to argue libertarianism as derived from Christianity. He's also got Atlas Shrugged on CDs, too, which is weird because my dad intensely dislikes fiction (outside of a scattered few comedies).
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Christianity has truly jumped the shark.


As much as one can bash the Pope about homosexuals (something Jesus said NOT ONE WORD about), at least the Pope get the 'help the poor' part of Jesus' message right.
 
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Chichikov

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Delusibeta said:
Basically, the joke is that Netflix wants to use Facebook for logins and for auto-sharing what films their users are watching with their Facebook friends for obvious free-advertising-and-easy-signing-up-new-members based reasons. They do this over here in the UK and presumably in Canada. However, they can't do that in the US due to an old law banning the publication by a company of what films anyone rents, presumably due to a porn scandal that I can't be bothered looking up on Wiki. That's probably what has been changed. They also snuck in a block on the Feds invading your e-privacy, but that's been scrapped.
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FUCK YOU FACEBOOK INTEGRATION, FUCK YOU HARD WITH A TIRE IRON.

For real, if 2012 taught me anything is that there are few things I find less interesting in the world as what song my friends are listening to on spotify.
Surely, we as a society can find better conversation starters than "I just watched Game of Thrones S02E5".

Sorry.
What are we talking about?
Blatant violation of the 4th amendment?
Fuck, we really do need an industry whose profits depends on a expansive interpretation and strict enforcement of the 4th amendment, don't we?
 
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Delusibeta

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Chichikov said:
For real, if 2012 taught me anything is that there are few things I find less interesting in the world as what song my friends are listening to on spotify.
Surely, we as a society can find better conversation starters than "I just watched Game of Thrones S02E5".
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Hence this bill, otherwise last.fm would be out of business and nobody could join their friends' multiplayer games on any format. And hey, there's an option to switch it off (or to not get Facebook involved in your own personal account at all) so you're freely volunteering to waive your 4th amendment rights on this issue, rite?
 
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B-Dubs

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Jooney said:
The picture on the right should be a ladder left in tatters, with nobody on top of the pit willing to help.
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No no, you see the people at the bottom made the ladder and the people up top are stealing it. They are also complaining it's not big enough.
 
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Mario

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Jooney said:
The picture on the right should be a ladder left in tatters, with nobody on top of the pit willing to help.
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Nobody willing to help? Indeed, the people at the top on the right should be trying to push each other back down into the pit.
 
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Chichikov

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Hitokage said:
This is actually something business was pushing for, because if they put something in the cloud in other countries it's more secure than if they do it here.
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I can tell you for a fact that there are companies that refuse to host their data/service in the US because of the fucking NSA.

But hey, reading all our emails is the only thing that stand between bin-laden and doing a million 9/11s so it's totally worth it.
 
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Hitokage

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Bin Laden now lives in cyberspace even if his body is dead. He could be lurking anywhere. We can only assume he's jumping from email to email at this point.
 
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B-Dubs

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RDreamer said:
Slept in my old room last night, which my dad has turned into a "man cave." He's got a few interesting books (and mostly books on tape) in there now. 2 Glenn Beck books on CDs, and one book. Predictable. He's also got some libertarian book called The Mainspring of Human Progress that apparently tries to argue libertarianism as derived from Christianity. He's also got Atlas Shrugged on CDs, too, which is weird because my dad intensely dislikes fiction (outside of a scattered few comedies).
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I know this feel bro. I was just listening to my aunt try and explain why the ACA is bad to my brother and all of her arguments have no basis in reality. It takes everything I have to keep from correcting my relatives on basic stuff. I had one say you shouldn't drink milk with your coffee because it's mixing an acid with a base. Another was talking economics and got supply and demand totally wrong. The things I hear from my relatives mouths...

Kill me GAF, reach through my phone's screen and strangle me now. I beg you, I can't take this.
 
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B-Dubs

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Charron said:
And I just got garden-variety casual racism from my family. :/
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Oh I've got that to, I just figured that was standard and didn't bother to mention it. I am counting the minutes until this is done...it's FOX News's greatest hits in here only without the Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi

EDIT: nvm there's Benghazi
 
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Hobbestetrician

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B-Dubs said:
Oh I've got that to, I just figured that was standard and didn't bother to mention it. I am counting the minutes until this is done...it's FOX News's greatest hits in here only without the Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi

EDIT: nvm there's Benghazi
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Gotta save the Benghazi for the encore.
 
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Chichikov

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Hitokage said:
Bin Laden now lives in cyberspace even if his body is dead. He could be lurking anywhere. We can only assume he's jumping from email to email at this point.
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Everybody do remember that 9/11 wasn't caused because of overly restrictive privacy laws, right?
We had ears on many of those guys for months before the attack.

It's just that when Bush got them in the oval office and said "what the fuck guys?" they were like "more access to everything maybe?".
Not sure why we all still play along, and Obama record on the subject is dreadful.
 
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ClovingWestbrook

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B-Dubs said:
Oh I've got that to, I just figured that was standard and didn't bother to mention it. I am counting the minutes until this is done...it's FOX News's greatest hits in here only without the Benghazi Benghazi Benghazi

EDIT: nvm there's Benghazi
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What are they saying exactly?
 
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Jooney

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Oh, so we're at the PoliGAF holiday horror story phase? I always enjoy reading these stories.

My mother remarked yesterday about video games being the cause of some the recent gun violence. I asked her if she had any evidence of this claim, and if she thought that video games or easier access to guns would be the bigger culprit. She didn't have much of a response.

While I don't live in the US, my brother does and in October he came home to pay the family a visit. Naturally the talk steered into the upcoming election. When it came to predictions, I told him that I thought Obama would win with 300+ EV. He laughed and said that it could go either way (what a prediction!) and that I shouldn't lecture him on US politics because "I don't get the sentiment on the ground". He also said that you can't trust the polls. Needless to say, post-election he has been very quiet.

I don't think I could take being quiet in a family discussion about politics; even if my opinion was against the grain I would put my piece forward and question how others have reached their conclusion.
 
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B-Dubs

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ClovingWestbrook said:
What are they saying exactly?
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The Benghazi stuff? Generally blaming Obama, I'm tuning it out and browsing GAF on my phone on the sly. They didn't spend a whole lot of time on it thankfully. It's not so bad when they get off the politics and science stuff.

EDIT: I should say, to their benefit, that the Benghazi stuff came up as a tangent to the Richard Engel stuff which only came up because of what I do.
 
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Aaron Strife

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Jooney said:
Oh, so we're at the PoliGAF holiday horror story phase? I always enjoy reading these stories.

My mother remarked yesterday about video games being the cause of some the recent gun violence. I asked her if she had any evidence of this claim, and if she thought that video games or easier access to guns would be the bigger culprit. She didn't have much of a response.

While I don't live in the US, my brother does and in October he came home to pay the family a visit. Naturally the talk steered into the upcoming election. When it came to predictions, I told him that I thought Obama would win with 300+ EV. He laughed and said that it could go either way (what a prediction!) and that I shouldn't lecture him on US politics because "I don't get the sentiment on the ground". He also said that you can't trust the polls. Needless to say, post-election he has been very quiet.

I don't think I could take being quiet in a family discussion about politics; even if my opinion was against the grain I would put my piece forward and question how others have reached their conclusion.
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The gays came up a little, given that MN was a battleground for that shit.

Not much politics though, we tend to avoid that.
 
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silentspork

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Chichikov said:
I can tell you for a fact that there are companies that refuse to host their data/service in the US because of the fucking NSA.

But hey, reading all our emails is the only thing that stand between bin-laden and doing a million 9/11s so it's totally worth it.
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Yea

There's a reason why Iceland is becoming a popular data center location. It's not subject to US or EU laws.
 
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Oblivion

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Makes me somewhat glad I don't talk to my ex-roommates any more. In the beginning we could have discussions about politics even if we never agreed, but in our final days they started becoming unbelievably insufferable. If I was with them for Christmas, things would have gotten ugly pretty quickly.
 
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eBay Huckster

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my dad started ranting about hostess going bankrupt because of unions at dinner earlier and i basically smacked him down re: executive compensation for a full 5 minutes afterward (and then started talking about MMT to everyone else)

it was fun
 
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B-Dubs

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eBay Huckster said:
my dad started ranting about hostess going bankrupt because of unions at dinner earlier and i basically smacked him down re: executive compensation for a full 5 minutes afterward (and then started talking about MMT to everyone else)

it was fun
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See, I can't do that because my dad and aunt will just try and bog you down in the most minute details until you lose your way then declare victory.

I must say that I saw the point where reality and parody meet tonight and I almost lost my shit. I was talking with my father and uncle, somehow it had gone into CEO compensation (the whole Hostess thing led there) and next to us my mother and aunt were gossiping about how some lady they knew got a psychiatrist for her dog. My dad had been going on a spiel about how the rich getting paid so much was good for the economy because they would spend so much on random things like dog hotels and how they deserved all that money they made because of how hard they worked. Now when he heard about the dog psychiatrist he turned to my mother, and without missing a beat mind you, started complaining about (and I quote) "bourgeois Americans" and how the rich are taking money from the working class.

It was at this point where I excused myself, went into the bathroom and laughed until I cried. You can't make this shit up. Easily the high point of my night. Also a good example of all the damage places like FOX do.
 
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Jooney

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B-Dubs said:
See, I can't do that because my dad and aunt will just try and bog you down in the most minute details until you lose your way then declare victory.

I must say that I saw the point where reality and parody meet tonight and I almost lost my shit. I was talking with my father and uncle, somehow it had gone into CEO compensation (the whole Hostess thing led there) and next to us my mother and aunt were gossiping about how some lady they knew got a psychiatrist for her dog. My dad had been going on a spiel about how the rich getting paid so much was good for the economy because they would spend so much on random things like dog hotels and how they deserved all that money they made because of how hard they worked. Now when he heard about the dog psychiatrist he turned to my mother, and without missing a beat mind you, started complaining about (and I quote) "bourgeois Americans" and how the rich are taking money from the working class.

It was at this point where I excused myself, went into the bathroom and laughed until I cried. You can't make this shit up. Easily the high point of my night. Also a good example of all the damage places like FOX do.
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Getting the average American to turn on their fellow man and side with the rich guy has to be one of the great messaging success stories of our time.
 
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RDreamer

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I also heard my dad talking to a cousin of mine. I guess both of their companies sent out letters about cutting some hours down to 30 to miss the healthcare cutoff. My dad was also talking something about taxing healthcare benefits as income or something, but I have no idea what that was about. The only healthcare premium tax I thought was on "cadillac" plans, which I really doubt my dad has, and that doesn't start until like 2018.

He was also saying he doesn't care if we go over the fiscal cliff. I guess they met with their retirement dude and put everything in non-American companies or something because of it, so he believes he's fine and won't be hurt at all. Then he also mentioned something about how we constitutionally can't cut defense spending by 20% or something. I'm really not sure where that came from either.
 
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Thequietone

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All I get is 2nd amendment jokes all day today. Open the present with an assault rifle with extended mags!!!! Open it with a shotgun. Was really hoping I wouldn't have to hear this today. Ever since that Connecticut shooting they have been trying to "educate" us all on FB about the liberal media's agenda.
 
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