mightynine
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Man, Jindal's gotta be so pissed he's being tossed aside for Rubio.
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PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Never mind, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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If he is then he's done.
SouthernDragon
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Rubio has 0 shot at the Presidency.
None.
None.
TacticalFox88
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As much as I want to agree with this...they said the same thing about Obama in 07.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/...id-senate-and-house-candidates/?smid=tw-share
Obama plans to campaign pretty aggressively for candidates during the midterms. This could help drum up some excitement from Democrats next year, something that didn't happen in 2010. Obama holding onto the Senate and gaining a few more seats in the House is pretty important to ensure that his last two years have some accomplishments.
Obama plans to campaign pretty aggressively for candidates during the midterms. This could help drum up some excitement from Democrats next year, something that didn't happen in 2010. Obama holding onto the Senate and gaining a few more seats in the House is pretty important to ensure that his last two years have some accomplishments.
doesnt make him any less correct though
also i personally never said that in 07, i only felt obama was too young and should wait
They also said it about Ron Paul.
Conventional wisdom is not always right, but it's right quite a lot.
Edit: not sure it was the consensus about Obama in '07, a lot of people had pegged him for presidency since 2004.
anyone watching the Brennan confirmation hearing? lol the protesters.
a second guy now.
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/
edit: third person now.
edit2: fourth person. hearings halted. room to be cleared.
a second guy now.
http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/
edit: third person now.
edit2: fourth person. hearings halted. room to be cleared.
Avon Barksdale
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LOL
TacticalFox88
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LOL
Aww hell naw.
So the McCain campaign finally conducted the suvey she was bitching about.
LOL
Game Change!
SouthernDragon
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I need to be explained what constituency he appeals to. Throw Hispanics out if we're talking him going national.
Republicans who want to win and think that by simply nominating a minority they will be able to.
SouthernDragon
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In this instance, pretend they are nominating Steele for president.
Frank the Great
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Rubio shouldn't even run if Hillary is involved. Dude is only 41, he will get his chance. Hillary is going to steamroll whoever she faces. Republicans should martyr someone who will put a good face on the party but who they don't care about being painted as a loser.
RustyNails
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But according to PD all Rubio/GOP candidate needs is 35% of hispanic vote and he will win.
Let Ron Paul run. It'd be hilarious.
Rubio's appeal is based upon the Obama mold: Young, telegenic, inspiring, a paradigm shattering minority, and the promise of a realigning election that could usher in a new conservative era for 30 years.
It's an imperfect fit. Republicans need a "conservative with a smile" as a standard bearer and Rubio has a pained smile, an unnatural sunniness. He's not tall like Obama or JFK before him. He's balding and frankly not that handsome. He's not a gifted intellectual and shows it in self-serving moments like wasting his 5 minutes with John Kerry during the confirmation hearing by giving a 4 minute sermon on how wrong Obama's foreign policy is.
And lastly, Republican dreams of ushering in a new conservative era are mostly fantasy now. Obama's already defining this era and the demographic trends have firmly established the Democrats as the majority party, as 2012 proved. Republicans are too late, they'll have to wait a number of years now for the current liberal ascendancy to run its course and for the public to be open to a new message.
Parties only get a few chances to have a lasting election that gives them a President who leaves his mark on the times. Usually elections are like 2004 for the Democrats or 2012 for Republicans: mostly filler, and with no real chance of changing the dynamic long-term. Republicans got theirs in 1980 and took it, Democrats had theirs in 2008 and they got it. Republican fancy Rubio as a man of destiny who will meet the moment, but I just don't see the moment coming up.
I said this earlier this week. Rubio definitely looks like he's making a run for it, but I do wonder if he'd step back if Hillary ran. I don't think it's a given that she steamrolls anyone. It's not quite a given, though she has a good chance to. It's enough of a hazard, though that yeah I don't know that a 41 year old guy would really want to risk that.
It'll be interesting to see if any of the bigger names step back a bit if/when Hillary announces.
I'm looking forward to the despair that'll be on display when the Dems win their third and hopefully fourth Presidential elections. Gonna be delicious.
TacticalFox88
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The day Scalia steps down and Obama or Hillary replaces them with a Liberal Judge.
Now THAT is going to be delicious.
Essentially the GOP can't use the Judiciary Branch for....anything! For an entire generation potentially.
CHEEZMO
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I have some dipshit on my Twitter feed who occasionally makes RAND PAUL 2016 tweets.
I want it.
PhoenixDark
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CHEEZMO;47439829 said:
I wonder what Ron Paul fans think of Rand's semi-neoconservative foreign policy speech last week and him arguing for more foreign aid (for Israel of course)
TacticalFox88
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Indeed
I would think that Scalia's replacement day would be the point where they realize that all is lost, and that there's no denying it or hope to turn things around. Having five judges on the high court has been their ace in the hole for decades now, and losing such a trump card would be devastating.
I think I'd take off of work and watch Fox all day when it happens. Yup.
speculawyer
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WTF is that? He basically just stole Kerry's joke and drew a picture of it. The well must have been really dry that day.
Stop talking about 2016. We have plenty of real issues to deal with before that. Or is this just PresidencyElectionGAF?
speculawyer
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Scalia will never step down. He will die on the Court.
We'll have "Weekend at Antonin's" for as long as his clerks can get away with it.
Now that I'm thinking about it.. "Weekend at Clarence's" seems like it would be much, much easier.
Particle Physicist
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Historical evidence? Can you name one cuban-american that has garnered the majority of the non-cuban american Hispanic vote. The difference in this case is that Hispanic immigrants are from a huge number of different countries, with vastly different cultures, ideologies, class structure, etc. Most African-Americans in the US are not recent immigrants, thus they can identify with another Africa-American politician more readily, i.e. they are basically from the same group. Same goes for Italian-Americans (also, just one country), or whichever other examples you mentioned. Has history shown that a Chinese-American politician garnered the majority of the Japanese-American vote, or vice versa? I would be very surprised if it has.
Oh god. I'm starting the short story as we speak.
adamsappel
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The GOP base will never vote for someone named "Piyush." I wouldn't expect them to vote for someone named Rubio, either, but I'm sure there's plenty who will convince themselves he's Italian.
Why didn't we just elect Pete Rouse? He's obviously the power behind the throne. And Barack Obama is empty at his core and cares about nothing. PD, you've once again struck at the heart of the matter!
Plus, those are some damn tall heels, almost stripper height.
What if we're already there?
Nah he spoke the other month so he's still alive, unless someone on his staff learned ventriloquism.
They would've had plenty of time to do so
The Librarian
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I want Colbert's sister to win the seat in SC she's running for just so I can see Stephen do a Better Know a District with her.
Almost stripper height? They are most certainly taller than any stripper. They look at least 7 feet tall!
The Librarian
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Those heels are ridiculous.
lol those are totally stripper heels. I didn't even notice that before.
ClassyPenguin
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Riight TIME
He may get Cuban Americans on board, but other Hispanic groups not so much. There is a lot of mistrust against Cuban American Republicans by many, especially the younger generations that don't share the Cold War stigma.
The problem with Rubio is that they're throwing a "spanish"* guy out there go get the latino vote, by being obvious about going after the latino vote.
Obama hasn't done much**, but what he has done was made sure that voting by blocks is irrelevant. He never chased the black vote, but he got nearly all of it. He never directly chased the young vote and got a huge portion of it. He never pandered to "white issues" and got a good portion of them.
That's the problem with the GOP, unlike themselves, most voters simply aren't whittled down into individual topics, or individual ideals.
He'll be Herman Cain'ed in less than two years.
*Cuban people don't really count as spanish people. /racist
**Apart from hitlering a recovery and commieing energy indepence and OBL
Obama hasn't done much**, but what he has done was made sure that voting by blocks is irrelevant. He never chased the black vote, but he got nearly all of it. He never directly chased the young vote and got a huge portion of it. He never pandered to "white issues" and got a good portion of them.
That's the problem with the GOP, unlike themselves, most voters simply aren't whittled down into individual topics, or individual ideals.
He'll be Herman Cain'ed in less than two years.
*Cuban people don't really count as spanish people. /racist
**Apart from hitlering a recovery and commieing energy indepence and OBL
PhoenixDark
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Cain was never a serious candidate, nor is he a smart person in general. I think Rubio deserves some credit and respect to a degree. He may be Cuban but I see no reason to believe he'll bomb with Hispanics nationally because of this; besides he only needs 35-40% of the Hispanic vote. I'm guessing he'll be courting Hispanic groups, media, and leaders nonstop for the next two years and it will work in his benefit.
He may be marketed as a Hispanic magnet but that doesn't make him a nonstarter with white people. Time will tell where the country will be ideologically in a couple years, and whether his conservative ideals will be popular. Gore and democrats thought thy were pretty invincible in 1997 yet republicans won the WH in the next election; Obama is no Clinton, and the economy remains weak. We don't know where the country will be in 2015/2016, or whether Obama will be a popular president or seen as a failure. Not do we know if Hillary will run or whether she's even healthy enough to run.
Obama barnstormed the country for democrats in 2006. Obviously democrats were going to have a big year regardless but he was credited with helping a lot of people win, and he banked a lot of support; straight out of Nixon's playbook. Rubio is perhaps the only energetic republican out there, outside of Chrisie; he will be barn storming in 2014 too, and if history repeats then republicans will have a good election, which he will receive credit for. In short, the chips are already in his favor.
He may be marketed as a Hispanic magnet but that doesn't make him a nonstarter with white people. Time will tell where the country will be ideologically in a couple years, and whether his conservative ideals will be popular. Gore and democrats thought thy were pretty invincible in 1997 yet republicans won the WH in the next election; Obama is no Clinton, and the economy remains weak. We don't know where the country will be in 2015/2016, or whether Obama will be a popular president or seen as a failure. Not do we know if Hillary will run or whether she's even healthy enough to run.
Obama barnstormed the country for democrats in 2006. Obviously democrats were going to have a big year regardless but he was credited with helping a lot of people win, and he banked a lot of support; straight out of Nixon's playbook. Rubio is perhaps the only energetic republican out there, outside of Chrisie; he will be barn storming in 2014 too, and if history repeats then republicans will have a good election, which he will receive credit for. In short, the chips are already in his favor.
adamsappel
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I can't wait to hear Rubio explain to Hispanic audiences why it's great policy that a Cuban who sets foot on Florida sand gets an automatic path to citizenship.
He doesn't have to answer something the media won't bother to ask.
Black Mamba
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Can a mod please change his username to "Dick Morris?"
Man, that definitely should have been the bet punishment.
jamesinclair
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The gaming forum is like an alternate universe where Romney won.
Wii U is getting massacred out there.
Wii U is getting massacred out there.
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