It's a great piece of reporting and I'll be shocked if it doesn't win a Pulitzer. On the topic of the information in the article, it's just rage inducing. I wish we had this article during the debate on the ACA.
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PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Never mind, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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It's a great piece of reporting and I'll be shocked if it doesn't win a Pulitzer. On the topic of the information in the article, it's just rage inducing. I wish we had this article during the debate on the ACA.
RustyNails
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It doesn't matter. It's like showing pictures of moon landing to flat earthers.
Aaron Strife
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But the accusation of Hannity being a liar is still true, even if Hannity's audience likes what they hear.
David Incorporated Esq.
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What I enjoy so much about this is that, while driving home, I listened to some Hannity (because I hate myself) and he was pumping the interview up during his show.
And it's not fair to say that it's not worth going on to his show as a liberal, it's just that the right words need to be said. Ellison was close to the mark, but I've found that alerting people to the fact that Hannity is a propagandist is generally the best way to move them away from the show. Unfortunately it will just turn into a shouting match at that point and it gets lost in the noise and oh god we're all doomed.
Somebody made a thread about it a little while back, but I haven't gotten a chance to read it yet. Will try to do that later tonight, maybe.
Speaking of health care, it seems the tea baggers are rather pissed at Rick Scott for metaphorically hugging Obama:
They're planning on having a primary challenge too. Kiss the governorship goodbye, teatards.
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It'll be re-aired on plenty of other news channels, and anything that helps show what a joke Fox News is is never a waste of time.
The right would have better luck retaining the governorship with someone other than Scott anyway. The man's been hated since almost immediately after he was elected.
If they primary him with someone even more conservative there is no goddamn way they'll win.
Aaron Strife
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Makes you wonder how the fuck he ever got elected in the first place.
Oh yeah, 2010. Jesus. And the best part is being stuck with highly gerrymandered maps that make it extremely difficult to win the House majority anytime soon.
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They aren't winning anyway was my point, but Scott is pretty much unreelectable by now.
If any Governor does not accept the increased medicare spending, the residents of that state should storm the capital and kick his ass out of office. I mean, seriously. Don't Tea party folks say they are for fiscal responsibility or something? Do they think its fiscally responsible to not take free money from the federal government to cover poor people's health care, but have to pay for those poor people's health care through ER room tax care anyways, and help fund other state's increased medicare?
Makes no fucking sense
As for the Doctors being overpaid bit, I really dont think you can just look at doctors salaries in the states and say they are overpaid because they get paid the most in the world. You would have to take the cost of college, medical school and residency, as well as malpractice suits and malpractice insurance into account. That shit just sounds expensive
Not saying that there arent overpaid doctors out there, since there definitely are, and fee for service care is just stupid, but well, I dont think its as simple as just looking at the average doctors salary
PhoenixDark
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Sounds like the VAWA (senate version) will pass the House soon
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/house-gop-backs-down-on-violence-against-women-act.php
I expect to see this sort of process a lot in this congress.
airmangataosenai
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Kyou no Ramirez-san:
Aaron Strife
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Interesting how he doesn't compare that deficit to the last time there was a Republican president.Kyou no Ramirez-san:
Well, I guess Pelosi caused the great recession, so there is that.
Also, the GOP doesn't control both houses, currently. Wouldn't that make it an inaccurate comparison? When's the last time Republicans controlled the House and Democrats controlled the Senate?
Kyou no Ramirez-san:
If I'm looking at that right....it almost seems like its asking for more spending.....
Kenyans redeemed.
zero shift
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I sure hope Feingold runs. Walker's cuts are crippling the fuck out of certain sectors of the state. The education system in particular is embarrassing.
I always pictured a vast majority of independents as libertarians who are too ashamed to claim the Republican party and who are too stubborn to side with the Democrats.
Going from registration numbers this is absolutely correct.
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That's it, boys, keep looking terrible to everyone else just to keep the ever-shrinking far right happy. They really have no clue.
NYCmetsfan
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Hanity was good tonight
Seriously what was going on tonight?
Its the biggest channel. Democrats watch it too.
Seriously what was going on tonight?
Its the biggest channel. Democrats watch it too.
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In the same way people will slow down to watch a car accident.
It's the biggest news channel because it's the go-to source for Republicans, while Democrats are split among everything else, aka, the "mainstream media" that Fox is always crying about.
In today's awesome pictures from 3 years ago we only find about today news -
He's not the guitar hero this country needs, he's not the guitar hero this country wants, but he might be the guitar hero this country deserves.
He's not the guitar hero this country needs, he's not the guitar hero this country wants, but he might be the guitar hero this country deserves.
What was the GOP's goal with playing with the VAWA? It doesn't take a damn political strategist to see that it's bad politics, especially when your party is hurting so badly with women, and an election just ended showing that. All they achieved was giving Dems more ammo against them with women voters and keeps the war against women campaign as an albatross around their necks.
speculawyer
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In today's awesome pictures from 3 years ago we only find about today news -
He's not the guitar hero this country needs, he's not the guitar hero this country wants, but he might be the guitar hero this country deserves.
Holy shit . . . I didn't know there was a . . . . Gibson SG plastic guitar. Rock on, Rick!
NYCmetsfan
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In today's awesome pictures from 3 years ago we only find about today news -
He's not the guitar hero this country needs, he's not the guitar hero this country wants, but he might be the guitar hero this country deserves.
OMG he plays guitarhero/rockband?! would vote for.
speculawyer
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It is the biggest news channel because who sits around and watches cable news? Old people. Old white people. And since old white people are conservative, they skew the news to provide the viewers what they want to watch. It is not objective news, it is massaged news with a spin to make their audience feel good.
It's hard to tell from the picture, but he's actually playing Visions on expert, fingers from the top, Jimi Hendrix style.
That's how hardcore he is.
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Yeah, there's that too. I get most of my news online, like I'd assume most younger people do.
One day after last year's state of the union.
Black Mamba
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NYCmetsfan
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Goddamn. My hero.
Also we got yelled out for tweeting and posting about our class (carville's), so I have to be careful what I post about it.
But I will say Erick Erickson is actually not a dumb guy gained some respect from me tonight.
empty vessel
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Does that mean he doesn't believe anything he writes? Because if he does, then he is a dumb guy. And if he doesn't, why does that cause you to respect him?
NYCmetsfan
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No. Its just he actually takes the tea party mantra seriously. I don't want to get into too much what he said. Its not like he said anything against his public positions but I also respect the fact the class is off the cuff and not public to public scrutiny.
I mean I disagree with his stances as he's very much pro cutting government. But he's intellectually honest, he made a good case for a distinction between conservative and republican. Him being in the conservative camp.
He's very much set in his ways on what he wants from government but he's not in the hate Obama because he's Obama camp. If he sees a point of agreement he'll take it and not disregard it because its politically conveniently. He's very much on the opposite of you but at the same time you guys would see eye to eye on certain issues and he'd actually probably agree with some solutions. Especially regarding "big business" as his blog shows he's not the biggest fan.
This editorial sums up pretty much his stance
http://www.redstate.com/2013/01/20/the-loyal-opposition/
Also this is pretty good http://www.redstate.com/2013/01/02/a-new-agenda/
Aaron Strife
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Fuck this. That's not pro-family that's pro-male dominance.
NYCmetsfan
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I agree and don't mean to say he's the greatest thinker. But he has a governing philosophy much more so than Mitch McTurtle.
Though to be fair obama is pro two parent family and I believe studies do show a two parent family is better than single parents (not that they should be demonized by an means)
Aaron Strife
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He's done more than enough damage to civil political discourse to make up for his occasional good idea. It's sort of like now when Republicans will come out in favor of gay marriage, after working for years for anti-gay campaigns and candidates, when they no longer have any meaningful authority to implement any changes, and the media throws them a fucking parade. Or poor old Karl Rove, getting eaten alive by those radical teabaggers, whom he supported financially with millions and millions of dollars until they stopped winning elections for him.
I guess what I'm saying is, if I'm judging the quality of a person I'm not going to lower my standards for them just because they're a conservative Republican. Like, great, you don't openly advocate hating black people in your platform/ideology. That doesn't stop someone from being a dick, especially if they continue to support and vote for candidates who go against their supposed ideals.
NYCmetsfan
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That's the thing. While I think he's been a bit of an asshole with some of his insensitive comments. But I don't really think he's especially poisoned the well, read the "loyal opposition" piece I posted. He's pro-making obama's job hard but its not just for the sake of winning elections, he really believes his ideas. He's a radical on the right wing for sure and I don't think he'd deny that but he's not hannity or rush spewing trash just trying to stay in power. And I think to the bolded. He's actually done a fair job of distancing himself from people who go against his ideals to an extreme degree. Look at him now trashing the VA gov.
I mean I don't mean to praise him as this awesome guy who I agree with. But like the big lebowski quote goes. "at least its an ethos."
Aaron Strife
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I'm not convinced. Maybe a part of it is every time i give credit to a conservative for being reasonable they turn around the next day and rant about the homosexual agenda brainwashing babies into getting AIDS or some shit.
Also it sounds like his problem with McDonnell is raising taxes to pay for his transportation bill. I wonder how he felt about transvaginal ultrasounds.
e: Check this out from his top post:
Sounds like a page from McConnell's playbook.Erick Erickson said:
The comments are hilariously delusional also, if anyone wants a good laugh
Yeah, the best thing you could say about Erick Erickson is that he didn't act like a dick to Anderson Cooper.
Mrs. Manky
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In today's awesome pictures from 3 years ago we only find about today news -
He's not the guitar hero this country needs, he's not the guitar hero this country wants, but he might be the guitar hero this country deserves.
ERMAGERD RECK PERREH
I don't think there's any doubt two-parent families are as a rule far more stable and good environments for children to grow up in.
I guess I don't see how that is inherently "pro-male."
I have always been aggravated by the willingness of people to "respect" someone just because they genuinely believe in something, no matter stupid or harmful it is. It's like a universal participation award. Oh, you have an opinion you're not lying about? You're worthy of respect!
David Incorporated Esq.
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It's only respectable when they stick to their beliefs when the negatives of them are encountered. Say if a religious zealot found out his wife was cheating on her and uh... had to uh... kill her. If he goes through with it, you know... like... that's pretty... commendable?
You know what I mean.
PhoenixDark
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I respect Erickson in the sense that he's not fake or trying to steal his sudience's money. He's a true believer and won't change even if his preferred candidate loses the next three elections in a row. The conservative "movement" is so full of con men (Dick Morris, Glen Beck, Karl Rove, etc) who clearly don't believe their own bullshit, and focus on fleecing their audience. I may not like anything Erickson believes policy wise but at least he's honest. I'd say the same of Rick Santorum.
True believers are more dangerous than the con men, see Bachmann, Crazy Eyes.
Maninthemirror
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PhoenixDark
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They're also easier to invalidate.
Personally I've just always preferred to deal with honest people who are up front about their views. I'd much rather deal with a blatantly racist person than someone pretending otherwise; in fact I wound up having a good conversation with a white supremacist on this issue a few years ago, and he even shook my hand.
That's not true. He was constantly saying bullshit like "this is the last straw" with regard to Romney. And then Romney had that good debate performance, and suddenly he was "YES. ROMNEY IS AWESOME. LET'S DO THIS GUYS!!!"
He's full of shit like the rest of them.
You're right, Bob. I can't imagine "fiscal conservatives" like Reagan and Bush Jr. not building new war machines because we can't afford it. Nor could I imagine something trivial like that stopping Jr. from invading Iraq. Good points.
PhoenixDark
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I'm a lifetime Detroit Lions fan. I know that feel. Giving up, regaining hope, settling for failure, etc are not signs of weakness in that sense. You ride the horse you have.
Erickson never liked Romney, but of course preferred him over Obama. It shouldn't be surprising that he got on the hype train once it seemed like Romney could win.
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