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PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Never mind, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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My line of thinking is not the same.
speculawyer
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I don't care whether she enjoys it or hates it . . . I don't want to pay for it. We need to find ways of dealing with bad behavior without imprisoning everyone. Our prison-industrial complex is already over-run with non-violent drug offenders. We don't need non-violent squatters thrown in as well.
We imprison more people than any other nation on the planet. More than China! It is a huge waste of money.
Black Mamba
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sometimes I wake up in the morning and think "The Modern Republican party cannot get any more retarded; they've exhausted the amount of ways they can shock me with their near-unprecedented level of non-stop stupidity."
And then people like Black Mamba post a new story, and I think to myself "when am I going to learn my lesson? Of course there are far more ways to get even more retarded and the Republicans are not going to rest until they exhaust them all!"
And then people like Black Mamba post a new story, and I think to myself "when am I going to learn my lesson? Of course there are far more ways to get even more retarded and the Republicans are not going to rest until they exhaust them all!"
Old? It is from yesterday, but maybe I missed it. Just more Elizabeth Warren being awesome.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/07/elizabeth-warren-hsbc-money-laundering_n_2830166.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/07/elizabeth-warren-hsbc-money-laundering_n_2830166.html
I'm so fucking happy she's in the Senate.
speculawyer
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*stupid law*
Yeah, people complain about Obama. But let's say we voted in an all-GOP government. Does anyone think they'd really solve problems?
No . . . they'd just do what they did last time . . . abortion restrictions, another war somewhere, ban flag-burning, push back on gay marriage, Terry Schiavo type stuff, etc.
Of course they'd would try to save the economy by cutting income taxes and it would be just as successful as the last two times they did that.
Actually, it would be worse. They would cut income tax rates and slash deductions. Thus, rich people would end up paying less taxes and middle class people would end up paying more taxes because they would lose cherished deductions. Maybe that is what we need to have happen to get people to realize that it doesn't work.
Then again, I thought the massive black hole collapse at the end of the Bush administration would have got people to understand but that apparently didn't work. Ah fuck it. I'm so discouraged these days.
Black Mamba
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013...ook-good-because-our-expectations-are-so-low/
Step 1 - Obama faked the numbers. If this proves untrue
Step 2 - It only looks good because our expectations are so low.
What will Step 3 be when that fails?
what's so funny? sounds pretty typical of an obama appointee
Reminds me of how the Park Service stopped reporting numbers for how many people were on the Mall for events, despite giving the most accurate numbers, because people yelled that they wre lying and ideologically motivated.
PhoenixDark
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I just hope this translates into some legislation and actual "stuff" getting done. Rand Paul is quite popular among the activist conservative base but hasn't accomplished much of anything thus far (although to be fair, he has shown he's willing to work with dems like Wyden).
Step 3 - BenghaziBenghaziBenghaziBenghaziBenghazi
ClassyPenguin
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I don't understand their mentality. Do they think abortions are like cooties that somehow they will contaminate their children? Or that clinic workers are so obsessed with their work that it's all they think about?
It's about forcing the parents to choose between helping their kids and working at an abortion clinic. It's just a dirty and round about way of shutting them down.
ClassyPenguin
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And I'm pretty sure those clinics provide way more health services than abortions. It's like their war on Planned Parenthood, which they lie and exaggerate the figures and like all conspiracy nutters any of the numbers released about how abortions are like less than four percent of their services are lies.
I like this part:
Interesting that they're only comparing tihs recession to ones since 1970, considering we had the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression.
speculawyer
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What happens if they lose this issue? The GOP has been getting clobbered lately on losing issues.
-Bashing minorities does not work well except in some rump southern areas.
-Bashing gays also no longer works except in the Bible belt
-If you look at the recent polls, the gun issue is going down in flames. Some 80% to 90% support background checks for all sales.
-Banning pot doesn't work
-Militant behavior probably doesn't fly any more . . . a GOPer just did a 13 hour quasi-anti-military filibuster!
What issues do they have left except "no taxes" and abortion?
Black Mamba
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And the difference in gov't sector jobs from those recessions and this one!
And when you actually look at a valid comparison instead of picking only numbers that serve your twisted version of events, it doesn't look as bad.
Aaron Strife
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Too bad abortion will always be a winning issue for them in some states, because it's the only one many people form an opinion on.
speculawyer
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And the difference in gov't sector jobs from those recessions and this one!
Well that simply can't be possible because I am constantly told about Obama's out of control spending problem.
speculawyer
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I don't know if it will always remain a winning issue for them. It is possible that losing the gay issue may cascade. Both issues are religious-based. So if they lose on the gay issue they may lose a bit on the abortion issue as well. The drop won't be as large but even if they were to lose 10% or so, it would become a dead issue.
I think it's easier for them to keep the abortion issue alive than the Gay Marriage one. With Gay Marriage people learn that they aren't any different than straight people and deserve the same chance at happiness and the same legal entitlements. With abortion the line where life begins will be fuzzy for a long long time, maybe forever, so it's easier to get people riled up over it.
Aaron Strife
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I guess. Gay marriage and abortion tend to work hand-in-hand for "family values" voters. When gay marriage becomes fully neutralized as an issue that may turn off enough religious conservatives who will actually consider other issues.
I think the sociological features of the issue are more important than the philosophical features. Gay rights snowballs because practically the whole point is to make people feel more free to be publicly gay. Abortion is private, and many people live in complete ignorance of the fact that women they know and more-or-less respect have had abortions.
That said, obviously there's also a racial or culture war component to this too. It's really easy to get a large majority to agree that there are plenty of circumstances other than rape where abortion is justifiable. Any discussion of abortion in a large group is going to reveal a bunch of people who don't really object in principle but who think it's bad when women get abortions for bad reasons - "using abortion as birth control" - and who seem to think that that's the number one reason for abortions among certain kinds of women. While people may be uncomfortable with abortion for a long time to come, I expect that passionate opposition will decrease as white racial resentment does.
Edit: Put another way, I think it's estimated that something like 1/3 of women will have abortions. Obviously it's not the case that this is 2/3 of liberal women and no conservative women. The revealed preference of people in red states is merely "abortion for me but not for thee". This indicates that the issue is fundamentally a failure of empathy.
empty vessel
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And the difference in gov't sector jobs from those recessions and this one!
That's a great graph that I had never thought to do.
And the difference in gov't sector jobs from those recessions and this one!
Did you make that chart, BM?
RustyNails
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I'm just glad I was dead wrong on the Brown-Warren race. I thought the Dems lost the seat for eternity.
A smart-grid would be a great investment, and a no brainer for any nation.
No chance of happening though because it will increase the deficit, even though it will decrease the deficit in the long term and boost our economy.
I swear, if you told any company that they could borrow money for practically free and see that investment give you a good return in 5 years to forever, no one would turn it down. Yet the Republican party will because they are idiots or are slaves to their idiot primary voters
No chance of happening though because it will increase the deficit, even though it will decrease the deficit in the long term and boost our economy.
I swear, if you told any company that they could borrow money for practically free and see that investment give you a good return in 5 years to forever, no one would turn it down. Yet the Republican party will because they are idiots or are slaves to their idiot primary voters
Biggest problem with the smart grid, is that it's a job killer.
What is the brief spike on government jobs in the current recession? Census?And the difference in gov't sector jobs from those recessions and this one!
And when you actually look at a valid comparison instead of picking only numbers that serve your twisted version of events, it doesn't look as bad.
the reduced price in power and increased productivity will increase jobs, so its not like an all or nothing
Well, if that still has a negative thing that can be pointed to, how about ports? We definitely need to repair and do upgrades on those
That's not a problem. Move those displaced jobs to other infrastructure repair. Also smart grid doesn't build itself.
mightynine
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It'd have been disgusting to see Romney take credit for stuff that happened on Obama's watch lol
Interviewed for a new position within the company yesterday. If I were to land it, guy I'd be reporting to had a "Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing their idiot" coffee mug, replete with a crude cartoon of Obama in a turban.
Guy is a total chauvinist alpha personality, why am I not surprised... Though I guess that's the kind of guy you want as VP of business development.
Wouldn't mind the job (Provided they don't lowball the shit out of me with the offer), but ugh...
Guy is a total chauvinist alpha personality, why am I not surprised... Though I guess that's the kind of guy you want as VP of business development.
Wouldn't mind the job (Provided they don't lowball the shit out of me with the offer), but ugh...
Reduced price in power will just increase profits. Not sure how lower energy cost would increase productivity though?
They don't build themselves, but all the jobs you're removing(meter checkers/maintenance/inspections/etc) can't be made up with just initial smart grid infrastructure.
They were trying hard to get funding for the smart grid during the ARRA and more or less abandoned it because the job numbers just didn't work.
I agree the smart grid needs to happen, but it wouldn't be wise to do as jobs are barely moving as is.
You know, it isn't even funny anymore. Now it's just sad. I feel sorry for Hannity.
I think the notion that reducing costs just means increasing profits is silly. Companies will transfer the savings onto the consumer (if there is some actual competition or price controls). Its the same as the people who claim that companies will just transfer all of the business taxes or minimum wage onto the consumer.
As for increased productivity, its a lot more reliable, meaning that a lot less black outs and when there is a problem it will be easier to repair. Thus, more productivity as well as being able to more easily incorporate green energy into the system
I'm not following. Is it so easy to build a smart grid that it'd be done in a year or two? I would have expected more jobs in the short-term because you still need all of the old power infrastructure plus people building the new stuff.
But fewer jobs in the future is great. That's what technology is for.
http://minnesota.publicradio.org/di...t-friday-roundtable-medical-costs?rsssource=1
Minnesota Public Radio told 3 doctors to read the Steven Brill article and share their opinions. it is quite good.
Favorite part was how one of the doctors said that she is constantly embarrassed when she can't tell the patient the price for the procedure because she has no way of finding out - even if she asked the administrators.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31390679/ns/health-health_care/#.UTqhXhz3g-c
Go Minnesota
Minnesota Public Radio told 3 doctors to read the Steven Brill article and share their opinions. it is quite good.
Favorite part was how one of the doctors said that she is constantly embarrassed when she can't tell the patient the price for the procedure because she has no way of finding out - even if she asked the administrators.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/31390679/ns/health-health_care/#.UTqhXhz3g-c
Go Minnesota
So, I feel that privatized prisons are a major problem and I created a petition on the White House petition site to do something about it. I'd appreciate it if you signed it. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/take-steps-end-privately-funded-prisons/Pbq3LLm1
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So most Republicans would have to cover their mouths in North Carolina?
Black Mamba
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Yup, the census.
I hope Elizabeth Warren does some real work, at least more than someone like Rand Paul. Although his filibustering is not so bad.
That reminds me, when Rand was doing his Mr.Smith thing, Sean Hannity got Karl Rove on his show to comment without irony on the problem with the Obama administration going beyond their legal power with the drone programs. He even touts the Bush administration going through the proper legal channels to justify torture.
And it's interesting (but not surprising) to note that most of the dudes who helped Rand filibust a move, have a history of voting for warrantless wiretaps, voting against further investigations on torture, overall just being a bunch of hypocrites.
That reminds me, when Rand was doing his Mr.Smith thing, Sean Hannity got Karl Rove on his show to comment without irony on the problem with the Obama administration going beyond their legal power with the drone programs. He even touts the Bush administration going through the proper legal channels to justify torture.
And it's interesting (but not surprising) to note that most of the dudes who helped Rand filibust a move, have a history of voting for warrantless wiretaps, voting against further investigations on torture, overall just being a bunch of hypocrites.
Link
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Hey, I'm sure it's tough coming up with new ways to demonize the president every night. Gotta stick with the classics sometimes.
What's in it for US?
Goddamn it, Michael Steele is the only Republican on Real Time tonight. I know some of you may prefer the panels when it's all liberals, but I for one prefer when Maher invites right wingers. The more teabaggier the better. Otherwise it just gets boring. And my man, Mike is far too reasonable nowadays to make shit entertaining to watch.
Yea, I miss the days he was a Muppet with insane ideas about things. Really he's probably the direction the GOP needs to go towards but instead they're going with a leprechaun from the 14th and a half dimension.
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