ClovingWestbrook
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So what you're saying is she will become the next Senator of the great state of Kentucky. Thanks for the confirmation PD.
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So what you're saying is she will become the next Senator of the great state of Kentucky. Thanks for the confirmation PD.
TacticalFox88
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Because the press is still afraid of being accused of being "liberal"
So does it look like any piece of major legislation will pass before the 2014 election? Everything right now seems to be lurching from one budget crises to the next - sequester, continual budget resolution, debt cieling fights etc. The momentum for immigration reform seems to be dying off, gun control measures may die in the house, and all the nice things Obama proposed in the SotU will have little Republican support.
What will pass in the 113th Congress?
What will pass in the 113th Congress?
Yeah, fox really has them by the balls. It's really gross as fuck that something like this has happened to our country.
TheLaughingStock
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It's not only sequestration that is an issue. US will be a tad over $200 billion (austerity) I believe by the end of this year which is enough to possibly cause a downturn. I'm not sure how that compares to Europe, but some have double and triple dipped so probably similar scale of tax hikes and spending cuts. CBO also released a new report on automatic stabilizers if anyone wanted to see their impact on the budget nowadays.
http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43977
Byakuya769
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Real talk. Do people in Kentucky even like Ashley Judd?
The Librarian
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Tears. Many, many tears.
PhoenixDark
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Well she goes to a lot of Kentucky basketball games.
I'd love to hear her logic for running. She was 4 points down in a poll commissioned by McConnell which isn't a bad place to be against an incumbent. The problem is that as people find out how liberal she is, and how much she loves Obama, her numbers will continually get worse. She lives in Tennesee, worked in Hollywood, and just got divorced. That's a horrible mix.
Will Obama campaign for her? That would seem to hurt more than help. Meanwhile Rand Paul will certainly put past differences aside and campaign for McConnell which will help; he's running for president after all.
Byakuya769
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Yea. I don't know what her excuse will be for carpet bagging from Nashville back to KY. It's going to be fun to watch, but she certainly is more personable than McConnnel.
I wonder if this is actually good that nothing will pass. Nothing will enrage teapartiers and they will all stay home!
Baraka in the White House
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The hell do people even see in McConnell? The dude's not tea party or anything, he's just an old school establishment Republican who got where he is by being there the longest. He's a proud opponent of campaign finance reform of any kind. That alone should make everyone hate his ass, conservative or not.
PhoenixDark
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Eh McConnell is very good at his job, unlike Boehner. He's a creature of the senate and therefore good at deal making. And he's done a lot to satisfy his tea party members without truly giving them anything of worth; ie various Obamacare votes, amendments etc.
If anything we should be glad he's not the speaker of the house because he would have stolen Obama's lunch money many times with comprehensive bad deals. Whereas Borhner continues to flounder.
If anything we should be glad he's not the speaker of the house because he would have stolen Obama's lunch money many times with comprehensive bad deals. Whereas Borhner continues to flounder.
Stephanopoulos certainly isn't glorious there, fucking hell, show some authority, they're talking about facts and you're supposed to be journalist.
Those shows serve no purpose, it's like Real Time but not funny.
I guess that's what you get when you put a political operative there, though in his defense, he does have great hair.
speculawyer
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Don' underestimate how much being tangently associated with country music, being white, and going to Kentucky basketball games can help. Look at Bill Clinton . . . he was somewhat progressive and won over some of the south including Kentucky. And they knew he was pro-choice.
Obama transcript from the Gridiron dinner.
Hilarious.
https://www.examiner.com/article/president-obama-jokes-at-the-gridiron-dinner
Hilarious.
https://www.examiner.com/article/president-obama-jokes-at-the-gridiron-dinner
PhoenixDark
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That was 1996 and Clinton was a good old boy running for president, as was Carter initially. The south tends to support southern candidates (outside of Gore lol) for president.Don' underestimate how much being tangently associated with country music, being white, and going to Kentucky basketball games can help. Look at Bill Clinton . . . he was somewhat progressive and won over some of the south including Kentucky. And they knew he was pro-choice.
Judd will be tied to Obama, who lost more than half of Kentucky's counties during the 2012 democrat primary. Southern democrats are getting decimated due to the universal distaste many southerners (democrat and republican) have for Obama on personal levels, and of course coal.
speculawyer
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Yeah, but she is white and with some ties to country music. Is it sad that makes a difference? Yes, but that is reality. I'm not saying she'll win but this is no slam dunk for Mitch. There is a reason Karl Rove already started bashing her.
speculawyer
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I am Gumby, damn it!
I heard someone say "Jeb Bush took a more racially divisive stance on immigration so people started assuming he wanted to run for office." Man, that is so sad.
I heard someone say "Jeb Bush took a more racially divisive stance on immigration so people started assuming he wanted to run for office." Man, that is so sad.
brianmcdoogle
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Here's my simplistic take on the Rove/Judd thing. After the disaster that Rove had last election, he needs some high profile wins, so if he starts early with Judd, and if she has no chance to win, he can spend this money, watch her lose, and claim that he saved that election. So now he's not only won an election, he won a "high profile" one.
I don't think she'll win, and I don't think Rove is worried about her at all. I think he sees this as an easy win for a high profile target for his failing super pacs.
I don't think she'll win, and I don't think Rove is worried about her at all. I think he sees this as an easy win for a high profile target for his failing super pacs.
Aaron Strife
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It's probably fair to argue Ross Perot helped Clinton win Kentucky - he only won with 45% of the vote. By comparison, Obama got 42% in 08.
Alison Lundergan Grimes would probably be a better candidate against McConnell, but everything I've heard is that she wants to run for governor in 2015. The DSCC's polling has her beating McConnell apparently.
speculawyer
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That was 1992, not 1996.
ClovingWestbrook
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Plus the Hispanics will come out knowing Obama and the Dems tried to get immigration reform done which will help Dems.
el retorno
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I think the problem for McConnell is he represents washington at its worst. Judd can run against that. I think shell distance herself from some of the stupider things she's said but I'd imagine there is a large part of kentucky that wants something new.
It'll be tough and I don't see her pulling it off but its nice to get a high profile seat and one where they'll have to spend a lot of money keeping other races more competitive for Dems.
It'll be tough and I don't see her pulling it off but its nice to get a high profile seat and one where they'll have to spend a lot of money keeping other races more competitive for Dems.
worldrunover
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McConnel is a politician though; doesn't the country benefit at this point from having politicians on the right instead of True Believers? I know he's an asshat, but I feel like he could still get things done if he has to.
el retorno
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Oh I think that's what his voters will say but I see a lot of independents just feed up at Washington and the partisanship. I think judd COULD tap into that.
Avon Barksdale
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People are so gullible.
It's not even particularly wrong, it's just phrased like garbage, and implies an either/or scenario between them that doesn't exist.
Aaron Strife
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Ross Perot also ran in 96 and got 9% of the vote in Kentucky. Clinton only beat Dole by a point.
I don't believe Perot threw either election to Clinton entirely, but he definitely got an assist from him in some of the red states.
I think the "glorious" comment was directed at K-Thug. I don't mind Stephanopolous too much. I think he's the best Sunday talk show host (which, admittedly isn't saying much).
The funny thing is, they're comparing something that's the result of being approved by a state government to something that's a result of dumbfuckery by the federal government.
Right, that's a large part of my garbage comment. The juxtaposition makes no fucking sense. On top of that it's just demonizing and preying on people's stupid thoughts that illegal immigrants get shit handed to them. The Denver bill just says if you graduated from a Colorado High School and you resided in Colorado for at least three consecutive years and sign an affidavit stating you are seeking citizenship, then you get in-state tuition rate rather than the out of state one. Woopdee fucking do. Big handout there...
cartoon_soldier
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http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/ryans-new-budget-repeals-obamacare?ref=fpa
GOP's budget plan includes Obamacare repeal
un fucking believable
GOP's budget plan includes Obamacare repeal
un fucking believable
It will be interesting to see how they compensate for the corresponding hole blowing in the budget deficit. Probably won't will pretend it doesn't occur.
Main page headline at TPM is perfect. Election? What election? Repeal
The Librarian
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Speaking of TPM, Josh Marshall is playing up the possibility of Obama appointing Thomas Perez to head the Labor Department as a big deal. Why is that? Is it because of the danger the VRA is in?
I just saw a clip of Paul Ryan saying just that this morning. Good luck with that, retards. I give Obama a lot of grief for caving and pre-emptively caving on various things, but Obamacare is the one thing he won't ever budge on.
I think it would be a tell that Obama would be placing a big emphasis on voting rights/access in his second term. It wasn't in his first term; even in the face of all the GOP voter suppression Obama never elevated it. This might be a sign he's elevating it in his second. Especially with the VRA about to go down.
PhoenixDark
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I figured he'd do something ridiculous to balance the budget in 10yrs, after the GOP revolted on cutting Medicare for 55-59yos. But this is clown shoes status.
Black Mamba
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Jesus fucking Christ. Repeal of obamacare again? How about we cut out govt wast like Paul Ryan?
Fucking clowns. I would love to cross Paul Ryan in the street no would talk so much shit to him.
Edit: PD he didn't even have to be drastic. The fiscal cliff deal went a long way to balancing the 10 year budget from Ryan last year.
Fucking clowns. I would love to cross Paul Ryan in the street no would talk so much shit to him.
Edit: PD he didn't even have to be drastic. The fiscal cliff deal went a long way to balancing the 10 year budget from Ryan last year.
RustyNails
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Remind me why is Obama inviting this assclown for dinners and lunch? This guy has no bone in his spine.
Aaron Strife
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Makes himself look like the adult in the room when the GOP proposes wacky shit.
speculawyer
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Well . . . they can say that they were voted into office on such a platform. But at the same time, Obama was voted in on the opposite platform, the Senate was voted in on the opposite platform, and the total number of votes going to Congressional GOPers was smaller than the total number of votes going to Congressional Democrats. So they know most of the people didn't like that position.
Yet they stick with it? I guess they are looking to become a regional party that is stuck in the minority? Good luck with that.
There seemed to be a slight thaw on immigration after the election but even that seems to be going no where. I guess they'll stick to their positions until they have no power left.
Aaron Strife
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I wonder how many of them realize they have more to gain with voters if they went for Obama's grand bargain (cutting SS and Medicare) and a moderate version of immigration reform. They could say "see? we can work with the president" and OFA/DCCC would have less of an argument for flipping the House in 2014 if they got a few bipartisan victories. Meanwhile in 2016 there'll be a new Democratic candidate they can dump on without burning bridges with Obama.
The neat thing about gerrymandering your party into safe districts is you have to worry more about primary threats!
speculawyer
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Yeah . . . People can point to Judd's nice statements about Obama. But during the general, the Dem candidate will probably be able to point to some crazy-bat shit stuff Mitch says during the primary if he is primaried by some Tea-party nut.
ClovingWestbrook
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Obamacare to the GOP is Android to Steve Jobs and I love it. They despise it so very much. Never thought it would pass, never thought the lower courts would find it constitutional, never thought the Roberts Court wouldnt strike it down, never thought Obama would win reelection which waa the final nail in their dream of repealiing it. Feels good. Ultimately we will get a public option and they know it.
Nothing. Look at this thread; People don't care about politics. They care about elections. They're already talking about whom is going to beat whom in 20 months. And after that, all they'll talk about is OMG 2016 HILARY VS CHRISTIE or whoever ends up running.
No one gives a damn about the issues.
Well in this thread's defense, every time we hear about something that the president wants to do the GOP filibusters it or it never leaves committee or he tries it and gets blocked on of the million ways it happens. Besides, most of the big bills are still only pie in the sky "we're still only talking about it" type things. If something gets introduced we'll talk about it. That said everyone does seem to be nuts about 2014.
ClovingWestbrook
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We care about the issues but as long as the GOP owns the House not a damn thing is getting done.
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