NYCmetsfan
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I hope he wins so in a presidential debate we have someone ask him about the civil rights act.
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I hope he wins so in a presidential debate we have someone ask him about the civil rights act.
ClovingWestbrook
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Obviously you can't say a Detroit fan since the last time the Pistons won a championship was almost a decade ago. Poor Pistons fans.
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Eh nobody really knows who Rand Paul is though except that maybe they heard good things about his filibuster. he falls apart immediately on the campaign trail once a proper vetting cycle gets air-time.
also, I double-take every time I catach this thread out the corner of my eye
PhoenixDark
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Breh, breh...I'm not a Pistons fan! Even when they won the ring, I wasn't a fan.
Obama doing his Kobe impression
http://www.politico.com/multimedia/...nt-obama-misses-basketball-shots.html?ml=vi_1
speculawyer
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I love it. It may cause them to run the wacko next time. That would be great fun.
ClovingWestbrook
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Let me guess, you're a Heat fan.
I think the Republican primary voters for the most part know who Rand Paul is. My dad's a big fan of the dude. He's pretty popular among the tea party types (i.e. republican primary voters).
Not necessarily saying he's going to beat anybody, but he's not some unknown dude anymore within the party.
Things like this aren't surprising considering the bunch of sore losers its coming from.
I think he's really dangerous to the Christie types if the GOP keeps on their current heading. Look at all the trouble Romney had with Santorum, Paul would have actual money behind him and whoever is running next won't be a multimillionaire with super deep pockets. The GOP needs to moderate before the 2016 primaries if they want to shut out the crazies next time, they won't have an ultra rich wall street guy to do it again.
Yeah, it's definitely going to be fascinating to watch Rand. He's that weird combination that brings in some libertarian types (the ones that really aren't libertarians I suppose) and Tea Partiers. I think he's going to likely be the go-to candidate for those that don't want the establishment guy (like Santorum was at the end there against Romney). The interesting thing is that this time I'm not sure the establishment guy can win on the fact that he can beat whoever's the opponent like Romney did. The GOP tried that and the tea party people aren't going to want to do it again.
speculawyer
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Rand Paul will do a great job losing to just about Dem candidate.
I don't think they'll split the vote, especially if Hillary is running. It's safe to say they all dislike her enough to unite behind whoever in order to beat her. Rand would be more dangerous to them in the GOP primary, if he runs as a libertarian they can paint him and the Dem candidate as the two extremes with the GOP in the middle.
Completely forgot about that.
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No, I mean he intends to run as a third party candidate if he doesn't get the Republican nomination.
Oh really then? I take it all back, he's definitely going to fuck up the whole GOP primary process. Maybe even their general if the Dems can play it right.
Wait, him running as a libertarian was an "if" scenario? Meaning he will be in the republican primary, but if he doesn't win he'll go 3rd party?
That scenario could produce some hilarious results.
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The Autumn Wind
Well, he announced that he plans to run as a Libertarian, but I'm sure he would accept the Republican nomination if they choose him.
speculawyer
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Why not? He's not a real Libertarian. He pushed for a personhood amendment and he's not been pro-gay rights. I think they'd be fine with him. Of course those policies will hurt him in a general. A personhood amendment puts him to the right of Mitt Romney who didn't exactly do well with the ladies.
speculawyer
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I think he's using it as a threat. I don't think he'd go through with it. He knows that would be a losing strategy for him. He'd lose and he'd burn his bridges with the GOP. Rand is not nearly as principled as many people think. He'll flip-flop on things when that will help him. He flip-flopped on the Civil Rights Bill and now says he would vote for it whereas before he said he would not have. (Not that it is relevant these days.)
speculawyer
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From another thread:
So there was one minority group the GOP did own . . . . until they fucked it up with Iraq.
el retorno
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9/11 and the whole spying on them probably had more to do that
If rand runs as libertarian it brings back bull moose party memories
TacticalFox88
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Holy shit, that's fucking hilarious!
Carpe Libertatem
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I don't think Manchin will ever go for it. He wouldn't even vote to repeal DADT (he didn't even vote - probably because he would have voted no and didn't want to deal with the criticism)
Fenderputty
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An actual libertarian making it through the GOP primary process and into a general election kinda scares me a little. Libertarians seem like a rational decision to the "fiscally conservative but socially liberal" people.
If he runs as a 3rd party, let the party start now.
If he runs as a 3rd party, let the party start now.
speculawyer
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An actual Libertarian cannot make it through the GOP primary process. Ron Paul was a heavily GOP-tilted Libertarian-lite and he couldn't come close. Rand may do a little better by not being saddled by the race-war nuttiness and Abolish the Fed nuttiness but he is still too loopy but it is still a long-shot. But he is NOT a real Libertarian because the official Libertarian party position is pro-choice.
ClovingWestbrook
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How does Erin Burnett have a show on CNN. She's absolutely terrible.
adamsappel
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I don't know why, and not that I ever thought about it, but I would have assumed that Kristol was at worst neutral to gay rights. I always thought his ideological bend was towards fiscal and foreign policy issues. Well, now he's wrong about everything!
jamesinclair
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So we talk about how it will take a walking gun to personally shoot republicans before theyd welcome legislation....
But when do we get car-murder reform?
Seriously, in this country, you can kill someone with a car, but as long as you say " the sun was in my eyes" or "I lost control" you get off with not even a fine.
Mom is in a comma. Kid is brain-dead. 8 others injured.
What does NYPD say?
Whats the burden of proof?
Thats right. No alcohol, no problem.
I think this is a bigger problem than the gun thing because 30,000 americans are killed every year, and the police can't be bothered to even issue a speeding ticket when a group of people is plowed down.
But when do we get car-murder reform?
Seriously, in this country, you can kill someone with a car, but as long as you say " the sun was in my eyes" or "I lost control" you get off with not even a fine.
Mom is in a comma. Kid is brain-dead. 8 others injured.
What does NYPD say?
http://www.streetsblog.org/2013/04/...ver-who-hit-10-people-leaving-boy-brain-dead/
Whats the burden of proof?
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/horror_for_crash_mom_tot_phAESfjVs3bdHldd6DNH3J
Thats right. No alcohol, no problem.
I think this is a bigger problem than the gun thing because 30,000 americans are killed every year, and the police can't be bothered to even issue a speeding ticket when a group of people is plowed down.
zero shift
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The funny thing is that I honestly can't think of a demographic that would fit more in with the GOP than Muslims. They are the absolute epitome of conservatism. Not just social, but fiscal as well. Virtually every Muslim either came here as an immigrant or the son/daughter of an immigrant. And virtually every Muslim came here with their family in which all of them started their own businesses and pooled their money together. Because of this it isn't uncommon for them to view anybody who is poor is deserving to be so. "I started my own business, why couldn't they?" My father hardly ever gave me advice as a child, but one thing he told me was this "If you're smart you will be rich, if you are stupid you will be poor." Yet despite this when talk about American politics, they have little positive to say about the Republicans. They keep going back to Israel (especially my father's side since they are all Palestinian) and the war in Iraq. They don't vote Democrat because they like progressivism and social welfare, far from it, they vote Democrat because that isn't the party that started wars in the Middle East and isn't overwhelming supportive of Israel.
Edit: And as you can imagine just like many "conservatives" that take out a shit ton of welfare, Muslims aren't alone in that either. My dad's brother has 6 to 8 kids and lives in a upper middle class home in the suburbs of Buffalo Grove. Despite that my family strongly believes that he was getting welfare for the children for quite some time despite him making bank.
jamesinclair
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You think hitting 10 people, essentially killing two of them is an accident?
Im sure the NRA would love to have you on board.
Without punishment, the driver who mowed down everyone can be back on the roads tomorrow and do it again.
PhoenixDark
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She's as good of a corporatist talking head as Maddow is at being a left talking point. They're both very good at their jobs, it's just the nature of Burnett's job/role is to spin shit even many conservatives don't agree with.
el retorno
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Car murder problem? How do you propose they prove speeding beyond a reasonable doubt? There is the presumption of innocence. Cant they get a civil suit anyways?
Its a horrible crime but I dont see what the nypd can do.
ClovingWestbrook
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Some of the topics on her show are just horrible. She just had a segment about some woman that argued females in college should first and formost be there to find a husband. Erin asked the rhetorical 'is this sexist or actually a really smart idea?'. Terrible.
Fenderputty
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I thought so as well. Yeah ... him and his father both hide behind states rights a lot when trying to argue socially liberal stances to the GOP. Which one would think might be a good loophole to make it past their primary process, but I guess not. It's amazing the GOP has pigeon holed themselves so badly. One HAS to be socially concervative beccause they've clung to the nutsack of the religious right for far too long.
It's only got 301 views, so it looks like the rest of the country disagrees. :/
el retorno
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You have to be a troll, accidents happen.
She's a pretty Wall Street shill.
That's enough for a career in journalism these days.
el retorno
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Fixed
speculawyer
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Yeah, I was kinda shocked by it as well. He seemed to be a guy that would manipulate the Evangelical rubes to get them to back his neocon wet dreams. (Then again, maybe that is what he is doing . . . perhaps he remains undercover?)
Fenderputty
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When the driver crashes his car into the buss stop simply to take copper wire from the lit up add in the back ... how could he not be serious.
The Librarian
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We should definitely be more liberal with lifetime driving bans to people who have demonstrated that they can't operate a car without harming their fellow citizens, but what does jail time suppose to achieve?
Do you really think it does anything for deterrence?
speculawyer
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Nearly 30,000 people are killed with guns too.
Just because there is may be no criminal prosecution, that doesn't mean the guy gets off with nothing. He is going to be sued, lose a lot of money, will have to pay really high insurance, etc.
If the driver was reckless, they may have after him. But if it was just negligence . . . well, it is not really a crime. Do you think he wanted to kill people? Would imprisoning this person protect others or just waste the state's money?
Avon Barksdale
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Thankfully, nobody really watches her show.
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