TacticalFox88
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So I can't be the only one who thinks the vast majority of the Republicans that come out in favor of gay marriage are going to get primaried, no?
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PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Never mind, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Obama still winning the presidency after coming out in support BEFORE the election probably removed apprehension from supporting it for a lot of politicians. I would hope, anyway.
el retorno
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Portman and Kirk aren't up for reelection till 2016 I think the issue isn't going to be a litmus test by then. And they're both in bluer states.
The Librarian
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Markey's pulling away in MA. The more I hear about him, the more I like him.
speculawyer
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How's that communism thing working out in Cuba and North Korea? It just doesn't work.
The oil price thing was something that pushed them over the edge. They had been reliant on oil sales as a way to get hard currency and fund things. But when oil prices plunged, they could no longer keep up the charade.
Best Google Glass video yet!
You would have to of course defeat them militarily, you couldn't just walk in and ask for things, and I doubt the leaders would be hiding next to the obvious military targets. What I am saying I guess, is that there is no need to wipe whatever population centers they have off the face of the earth. During ww2 terror bombing was done because people were told," we will shorten the war by making this so bloody no one sane would want to fight it". Well, it didn't work.
PhoenixDark
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Agreed. Portman is a solid conservative, I doubt he'll be challenged. Whereas Kirk is more of a moderate and Illinois has quite a collection of crazy republicans. Maybe Joe Walsh will step to the plate...
Fenderputty
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Meh ... different audiences. The people who weren't going to vote for Obama because of his support of SSM, weren't going to vote for him anyway. Don't get me wrong, I think what he did was very brave considering there are no "do overs" in an election cycle. The GOP's audience might care more about SSM than the people who voted for Obama though. I think all Dems should feel comfortable though.
Yeah, I'm glad he did it before the election. If he had waited until afterwards, it would have had a lot less weight to it.
Rocket Scientist
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There's plenty of arguments against communist and socialist regimes but Cuba is not the right example to use imo. It's problem stem less from communist ideas but rather the US' ridiculous stance against it.
Avon Barksdale
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Obama now has a higher approval rating than Jindal in Louisiana.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/poll-obama-boasts-higher-approval-rating-in-louisiana
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/poll-obama-boasts-higher-approval-rating-in-louisiana
Considering posting this as its own thread.
http://www.hutchnews.com/Columns/SUN--Probst-column
Hits the nail on the head. It's terrifying that my legislature (Oklahoma) is looking to Kansas for ideas, and it's sad that what were once populist, progressive states have become the playthings of people like the Kochs.
http://www.hutchnews.com/Columns/SUN--Probst-column
Hits the nail on the head. It's terrifying that my legislature (Oklahoma) is looking to Kansas for ideas, and it's sad that what were once populist, progressive states have become the playthings of people like the Kochs.
zero shift
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Even then so Cuba has had economic growth in-line with surrounding nations. There seems to be a myth going around that the country is as poor as Haiti.
I'm not saying that without the embargo they would turn a China, but the nation would likely fair better.
Context of the piece is a bit unclear to somebody not familiar with Kansas news. Sure, extremist Republicans have been taking hold, but what in particular marked the time of death?
Ignatz Mouse
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Kirk's fairly liberal on social issues, as he has to be coming from the suburbs of Chicago. Not a huge surprise.
There's no 'might' about it, at least not with the GOP culture warriors that I know. While there are more & more Repubs accepting gay marriage's inevitability, I have serious doubts the issue won't still be one of the litmus test issues in the GOP. But again, maybe the GOPers I know are clouding my judgement on the issue...because they HATE homosexuals. My (and especially my wife's) FB wall was a carnival of stupid last week due to the SCOTUS hearing.
rocketknight
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Oh god, thank you for this.
TacticalFox88
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Wait till Gay Marriage is nationwide. lol We're in for some fun times.
Speaking of local news, I'm disappointed that our new republican governor Pat McCrory can't even be counted on to respect his previous career as mayor of Charlotte and is now coddling an actively anti-urban state assembly.
I regret putting things in the Pro column for him. Just another Rick Snyder Republican.
I regret putting things in the Pro column for him. Just another Rick Snyder Republican.
The Librarian
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NC GOP is going after voting. Has McCrory gotten rid of NC's film tax credit yet?
speculawyer
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Guns, gays, and abortion have been causing people to vote against their own interests for quite a while now. But I wonder with the gay issue kinda going away and the gun lobby losing some of its strength, the tide may turn.
But I don't see that tide turning in Kansas. They'll continue on their current path for a while.
speculawyer
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I think people are FINALLY starting to figure out that the GOP is not really for less taxes . . . they are for less taxes on the rich. Moving from income taxes to sales taxes is hugely regressive.
I'm not sure exactly, but the abolishment of the income tax last year has really created problems there. Thankfully they're not considering that here (yet), but they're still cutting taxes on the backs of the most vulnerable.
Republican supermajorities are scary.
Carpe Libertatem
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Same in Missouri because it's easy for Republicans to say that businesses will be moving out of Kansas City, MO and over the border into Kansas because of low taxes or something. They're trying to push through a tax plan that would cut income tax rates for individuals and businesses, but raise sales tax. Not to mention blowing a several hundred million dollar hole in the state budget which will inevitably come out of education later on. While we're lucky to have a Democratic Governor, the Republicans have a veto-proof majority in the General Assembly, although it only takes one vote in each house (if I remember correctly) to let the veto stand
It's really frustrating because they act as if Kansas is some beacon to look to and that the results have actually worked. No one has seen the effects of what Kansas has done yet and it's unbelievably ignorant to push it through on that premise
No idea, but the Charlotte Observer ran this sunday:
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/20...ture-targets-arrogant.html#storylink=misearch
I knew the state has been going after Charlotte stuff but didn't know they were going after other cities too.
The Librarian
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In other news, I don't like Ben Carson because I'm a racist.
A few guys have gone into it already, but it's pretty widely accepted by academics and historians that the Soviet Union was going down with or without Reagan. All he really did was give some good speeches.
Oh snap! I really hope that guy's going to be ok, I'm glad for the pressure from the embassy at the very least.
Because there's absolutely no other reason to dislike him, am I right?
ClovingWestbrook
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FYI, all yall who don't like Ben Carson, it's because you're racists.
The Librarian
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Tell me something I don't know!
ClovingWestbrook
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I really hate being racist, Dax. I mean I know I voted for Obama last year and I know I am married to a black woman, but Dax, I am racist
Help me!PhoenixDark
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Carson reveals his final form
Gotta say it's pretty depressing seeing Carson stoop to that level. The "plantation" shit is pathetic. Granted I certainly have met more than a few white liberals (especially academic types) who have said some shockingly ignorant stuff about black republicans; and of course plenty of black democrats make ugly comments/accusations about black republicans. But the idea that this is so widespread that white liberals "are the most racist people there are" is just ignorance. Especially coming from someone as smart as Carson. I'm sure Carson has grown resentful of people he felt were shitting on him due to his political beliefs; he's a super successful African American, I'm sure local MA dems tried to recruit him to various things over the years before he made his conservatism public.
Gotta say it's pretty depressing seeing Carson stoop to that level. The "plantation" shit is pathetic. Granted I certainly have met more than a few white liberals (especially academic types) who have said some shockingly ignorant stuff about black republicans; and of course plenty of black democrats make ugly comments/accusations about black republicans. But the idea that this is so widespread that white liberals "are the most racist people there are" is just ignorance. Especially coming from someone as smart as Carson. I'm sure Carson has grown resentful of people he felt were shitting on him due to his political beliefs; he's a super successful African American, I'm sure local MA dems tried to recruit him to various things over the years before he made his conservatism public.
Do they not realize what he said wrong?
The Librarian
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Shut-up, racist!
Sorry, I can't believe I said that. How could I be so racist? I'm going to try and unconditionally love him regardless of the crap he says. I can be better than this!
empty vessel
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The KKK strung black people up from trees for fun but white liberals are the most racist people there are "because, you know, they put you in a little category."
ClovingWestbrook
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No you can't. You're a liberal.
You're right... ;_;
TacticalFox88
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It amazes me how smart people can be so goddamn stupid.
PhoenixDark
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Well the KKK was founded by democrats so by proxy Carson is still correct!
Because he's a black republican, of course.
The Librarian
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Holy fuck, Hito. Chill with the racism!
Don't be racist with your little box and all that. I know we can't help it though...
Avon Barksdale
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Imagine if Obama had said this...
How is sending the guy to jail deterring him from anything?
At that point, you're punishing, not deterring.
Furthermore, there are roughly 30k gun deaths and 30k automobile deaths each year, but automobiles are more complicated to use, used far far more often and by far far more people, and there are far more externalities involved with any incident involving automobiles than there are with firearms, so there has to be a higher bar for criminal sanctions.
We do everything we can to ensure cars are safe. We test people, we regulate the design of cars for safety purposes, we require people to wear seat belts, we track ownership of cars and maintenance records, we require insurance, we require licensing to be re-done whenever you move, we test the cars themselves and rate them on safety.
We don't do anything like this for firearms. Nothing. We don't test people. We don't regulate designs to include common sense features like a safety. We don't track ownership. We don't require licensing. We don't require insurance. We don't require extensive review of products before being brought to market.
empty vessel
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Maybe if he'd have said "white Democrats" instead of "white liberals!"
el retorno
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I hate this guilt by association reasoning.
Just sounds like more problems with a 2 party system. I want whoever is best, not whoever is the least worst. It's not my state, so I don't have much of an opinion, but the whole advocacy for dynastic practices is troublesome, and if we want to keep our democracy we should be cautious to avoid the construction of a political class of people.
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Yeah, we really dodged a bullet there, good thing we have our corporate masters to set us straight and keep government cronyism out of our
In a way it is pretty funny, people pointing at a system that was broken and manipulated to favor a top class of people while ignoring their own broken system which is manipulated to favor a top class of people. I guess that's ethnocentrism for ya.
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