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PoliGAF 2013 |OT1| Never mind, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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What I find hilarious about the 2nd amendment folk is that they've taken a very literal view of what "arms" mean.
You could argue that in todays computer reliant work, having an open internet, unfettered access to networks, and the technology to interact with them would be a much better descriptor of what the second amendment is actually describing in today's "battlegrounds".
Plus, those kinds of "arms" are something that will actually be useful, should Obama start tyranting up the US and coordinating drones all over the skies.
You could argue that in todays computer reliant work, having an open internet, unfettered access to networks, and the technology to interact with them would be a much better descriptor of what the second amendment is actually describing in today's "battlegrounds".
Plus, those kinds of "arms" are something that will actually be useful, should Obama start tyranting up the US and coordinating drones all over the skies.
Frank the Great
Banned
If Scalia and Thomas were logically consistent they would find that the second amendment only protects the types of firearms that were in existence when it was written, ie. slow-loading muskets and revolvers, as opposed to assault rifles and concealable semi automatic pistols capable of mowing down people.
Too bad they aren't logically consistent and only use originalism when it supports their right-wing ideology.
Too bad they aren't logically consistent and only use originalism when it supports their right-wing ideology.
I for one can see a line of best fit in that graph.
Not to rub salt in the wound, but how come the US is pretty much the worst with every single one of these graphs lol. At least among Developed nations anyway.
Byakuya769
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That or the exact opposite. Original intent would imply that citizens should have the freedom to bear armaments on par with their government.
stocks don't grow infinitely though. and shareholders only benefits when they sell. but for long term holder, they only benefits from dividends
I better start saving up for my very own stealth bomber then. I've wanted one since I was a kid!
For personal protection, of course.
Want to go halfsies? We can take turns protecting ourselves from our enemies.
Good call. We should maybe start a Kickstarter?
If we get a bunch of people together and pool all of our money then we can afford more than one. We could make some kind of group of stealth bombers to protect us all from our enemies...some sort of a force. An airplane force? No that just sounds silly.
The Librarian
Banned
Stewart destroys them: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-7-2013/c--k-block-you-on-the-hurricane
More fundamental than that, they seem to overlook that the right to bear arms is also implicitly a right NOT to bear arms, as they try to claim that teachers and such should be armed. It's not okay for anyone to infringe on a gun owner's rights, but it's okay for them to infringe on everyone else's?
My sister, a teacher, has said that if she's ever required to be armed at school (or at anytime), she's done with the profession.
Obviously that's highly unlikely to happen but the cognitive dissonance displayed in making the case is, as usual, stunning.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
The American myth of became so powerful, especially at the times where America was doing so well economically and politically, that it has inhibited socially progressive measures that other countries have adopted and refined. Some rich and powerful people also saw ways to twist that into a system that would give them even more wealth and power and we are currently living through the results of that.Not to rub salt in the wound, but how come the US is pretty much the worst with every single one of these graphs lol. At least among Developed nations anyway.
speculawyer
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And the reason why Mexico is such an outlier is that (1) They have a drug war going on and (2) they are adjacent to the USA such that they buy massive amounts of guns here and drive them across the border to be used in that drug war.
Frank the Great
Banned
Hah, right, but this argument would be patently ridiculous. This is what I mean when I say originalists are jokers, at the end of the day they just interpret original intent to mean whatever they want and arbitrarily draw lines.
speculawyer
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Stonewalling? They released a report that absolutely slammed the State Department!
This is as stupid as when McCain whined about not getting enough Benghazi info while skipping a meeting held to give out Benghazi info. They are just being obtuse.
el retorno
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I hate graham. Its said he's the voice of the GOP on foreign issues. He's now worried about Hegel's positions on our "nuclear posture." WTF world are we living in?
(Edit: nvm the guy talking about nuclear posture is bob corker not graham)
The Librarian
Banned
Let it go, graham crackers.
Critics would complain about the 'gun death' statistic. They'd prefer something more generic like murders, violent crime, etc. Logic being "if murders are down overall (despite more "gun" deaths), guns get the credit and are obviously a positive force" or "if we take away guns, knife deaths would take their place"
Which isn't unreasonable, but then you do that and they start in on how it's not fair because other countries have less "diversity".
Edit: It's also inaccurate to only consider murders. I'm not familiar with the data, but you'd also want to have suicides and accidental deaths in there too. Maybe one could argue that a lot of gun murders would just be replaced by knife murders, but it's hard to believe that accidental shootings are going to be replaced by accidental stabbings.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Honestly I'm not 100% sure what would be considered bilartisan border patrol. I do think it would make sense to hire more Iraq/Afghanistsn vets to guard the border, and to use some survellience unmanned aircraft. I don't think a fence works or sends the right message, and there will be some on the right who demand it; I suppose the only good thing about a fence is that it would create some construction jobs.
Given the language on the right, immigration won't go anywhere unless border control is addressed. And border governors would have to be ready to not get 100% of what they want; I could see Rick Perry understanding that, but not Jan Brewer. Ultimately any bipartisan solution will be labeled bad by the far right, but they can't drive the conversation. I think smarter republicans realize they have to repair their standing with Hispanics, whereas the far right doesn't care.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Hey guys, what's that quote from a former conservative rep talking about how the new generation of conservatives is going to destroy the party with their ideological fanaticism?
Link
The Autumn Wind
Captain Pants
Killed by a goddamned Dredgeling
Salon.com has an excellent article on why the GOP is opposed to Hagel.
speculawyer
Member
But if you put in all homicidal death, do you really think that graph would change in any significant way? Do you really think that there are enough stabbings, poisonings, bombings, etc. that would change that graph in a real noticeable manner? I doubt it.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
The Onion with another Timely Article
"Israel Vows To Use Veto Power If Chuck Hagel Confirmed As U.S. Secretary Of Defense"
"Israel Vows To Use Veto Power If Chuck Hagel Confirmed As U.S. Secretary Of Defense"
He'd try and slash the military budget? I like him more already.
speculawyer
Member
Meh. Different people oppose for different reasons. Clearly those with a financial stake in defense spending oppose him for that reason but since that is not really a political argument that will fly (Hey, he's bad because I'll make less money if we stop buying weapon systems we don't need!), they help fund those that make the more politically palatable arguments (He's a big meanie toward beloved Israel!).
What I don't like about these comparisons is, most people don't like the refs for the same reasons (shitty calls). But Republicans hate Congress for not being more conservative and Democrats hate it for, well, being Republican driven. So everyone hates it for different reasons. What is more important is the party Congressional approval rates, which would be a better apples to apples comparison. (i.e., Republicans in the House are less popular than dirty diapers.)
Looks like Nate Silver is doing an AMA: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/166yeo/iama_blogger_for_fivethirtyeight_at_the_new_york/
I just saw that video, and holy shit. Alex Jones is absolutely unhinged.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Dude must have been on some coke.
The Seahawks bandwagon is getting crowded.
That was amazing to watch.
PhoenixDark
Banned
Nah that's his act. I've seen people saying that Jones embarrassed himself and won't be taken seriously ever again...but they are missing the point. Jones is all about showmanship and generating attention; based on that his appearance was a massive success. No one would be talking about it if he calmly suggested 911 was an inside job and that the government would kill its citizens if only for the pesky second amendment. Info Wars traffic probably spiked big time last night, and as the video spreads to far right wingers they will start joining Jones' network. Basically, he trolled America.
Also I find it funny that anyone could think the second amendment prevents the most powerful military in human history from enslaving its people. This isn't Red Dawn, a truly tyrannical US government would have no problem taking over small towns and big cities. Drone strikes would be as effective in Idaho as they are in Afghanistan.
God DAMNIT. Fuck off, Lindsey!. >:[
Just to add to the clusterfuckery that is my state.
People Who Want to Nullify 'Obamacare' Rally in SC
There's a picture. All I see are old, white men who are probably on disability/social security. The very definition of "Fuck you, I got mine."
It's over gun lovers, Biden is meeting with an nra dude. I'd be hard pressed to believe they can say no to Joe.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/biden-to-meet-with-nra?ref=fpb
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/biden-to-meet-with-nra?ref=fpb
speculawyer
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Oh he certainly got some attention for himself and will benefit personally. But I think the other side will benefit as well but in the more important political aspect. Alex Jones helped make the face of gun advocates a bunch of ranting lunatics. I don't think that is going to help the gun advocacy side politically.
The conservative-media-industrial complex strikes another blow against actual political conservatism.
speculawyer
Member
And probably a lot of veterans who get medical care in one of the most socialist healthcare programs we have.
el retorno
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And probably a lot of veterans who get medical care in one of the most socialist healthcare programs we have.
nullify? were they alive in 1832?
Oh, wow. That's one of the few times where a comment section has been reasonable. On a South Carolina news website, no less.
They can't be bothered to learn what that new fangled hypocrisy thing is.
Starting to get a little unnerved at how much pressure there is for the platinum coin option. At this point I think all the blogs and writers I read have commented, mostly in favor of it, while the White House is ostentatiously silent on the issue. Fanning the flames of popular opinion?
PhoenixDark
Banned
good luck with that SC
WLTX broadcasts to Richland county. Which is actually a fairly liberal and Democrat bastion in the state. There's a reason why Clyburn is still actually in the House, and it is because of Richland county and a few more blue counties that fall into his area.
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