TacticalFox88
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"There are those who said this day would never come. What are they to say now?"
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PoliGAF 2013 |OT3| 1,000 Years of Darkness and Nuclear Fallout
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InsaneZero
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Goddamn, Harry Reid.
Amanda Carpenter hasn't tweeted in over an hour. Tweet her and ask if she's okay, Dax.
Aaron Strife
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How do you feel about the House flipping in 2014 again?
Fenderputty
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I'm pretty shocked.
The Librarian
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ya'll get on my level
TacticalFox88
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I can't wait for Cenk's salty fucking tears at being wrong...again.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
CNN already saying this will hurt Bipartisanship....
Like we had any of that at the moment
The Librarian
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Vote is 52 - 48. It's over. They're ending debate on Miller now.
CNN being milquetoast as usual
theprodigy
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Shocker
The Librarian
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Enough bragging. Here's the reasoning that led me to believe that Reid would finally pull the trigger:
- No side-talks going on, no preemptive "gathering of the Senate." This was key. The Democrats, even if Republican asked in private, weren't reciprocating any talks. Schumer and McCain weren't talking, Reid wasn't talking to McConnell; the Democrats were steadfast in plowing ahead.
- Several senators previously weary about changing the rules changed their minds: Boxer, Feinstein, and so on.
- If Republicans were to regain the majority and enact their own rules reform, it's better to have a recent precedent of doing it by a partisan majority from across the aisle. This catalyzed the conflict and diminished chances of a last-minute deal.
- Reasons for avoiding a deal at the beginning of this year were nullified: Boehner argued that if the Senate changed its rules, the House wouldn't consider its legislation. Seeing as how that happened anyway...
- Reid, in the end, was left with no other choice. Republicans were filibustering any and all nominees despite their qualifications, and the Senate 2014 map is the hardest it's been since the Democrats took the Senate in 2006. Better to pull the trigger now and get some tangible benefits than to wait after next year's election or 2016 where they could either lose the Senate or the presidency.
mightynine
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Harry Reid, this one's for you.
WayneMorse
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Welp, hopefully this well help bring an end to the undemocratic filibuster.
WayneMorse
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But kiss the filibuster goodbye next time the GOP take the Senate.
Black Mamba
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As much as this had to happen I wish they could have filibustered Janet Yellen. Oh well.
WayneMorse
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Scale it back to a talking filibuster so we can have Rand Paul go on about "GOOOOLLLLLLDD" for 12 hours.
Democrats just need to hang onto the Senate as long as possible or this will blow up gloriously in their face.
Fox News Breaking News alert: "SENATE DEMS WIN VOTE TO CHANGE FILIBUSTER, WEAKENING MINORITY PARTY'S POWER TO BLOCK NOMINEES"
Weakening? No. Preventing Senate Republicans from being giant cunts to anything related to an Obama appointee. You know... making sure the government actually fucking works and empty seats get killed like they're suppose to.
Fox News Breaking News alert: "SENATE DEMS WIN VOTE TO CHANGE FILIBUSTER, WEAKENING MINORITY PARTY'S POWER TO BLOCK NOMINEES"
Weakening? No. Preventing Senate Republicans from being giant cunts to anything related to an Obama appointee. You know... making sure the government actually fucking works and empty seats get killed like they're suppose to.
WayneMorse
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I said this earlier, but if they don't take the Senate in 2014 they wont take it for the rest of the decade.
Black Mamba
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It won't blow up because the GOP would have done this on day 1 anyway.
NYCmetsfan
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Biden goes to sub shop, comes up short, borrows cash from bodyguard.
Real or Onion Joe headline?
Real or Onion Joe headline?
Real
Yesssss
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The Autumn Wind
I really do like to believe that guys like Manchin and Pryor sit down with Reid and discuss that they will vote "No" if the votes are there so they can hang on to their seats, but will vote "Yes" if their votes are needed.
NYCmetsfan
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That's how whipping works. They can still buck the party but Reid knows when they will
Black Mamba
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So this means Obama can now re-nominate the NLRB guys and turn the SCOTUS case moot?
That's what the Republicans are betting on. That they'll win the Senate in 2014 and remove the fillibuster that the Democrat's started.
The problem with this plan though, is even if Republicans win back the Senate, Obama's still the President. He'll veto anything the Republicans try to pass. And then 2016 the Senate odds favor the Democrats, and add to that if Hillary does run. Does anyone think this will last more than two years?
Of course, what's actually going to happen is that the Democrats will keep the Senate in 2014, giving Obama and the Democrats more power than they would've had anyway, and the Republicans will have shot themselves in the foot. Again.
cartoon_soldier
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Yes, in many cases Reid will decide which Dem bucks the party and which doesn't
NYCmetsfan
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I'm really amazed the Senate republicans are screaming about 'minority rights'.
Have you guys done anything to fix the VRA? LGBT rights?
Have you guys done anything to fix the VRA? LGBT rights?
The Librarian
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Exactly. The filibuster more often than not has been used to limit minority rights rather than expand them.
Carpe Libertatem
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NYCmetsfan
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Would look like an implicit endorsement that the nominations weren't legitimate
BTW grassly is weird. He's talking about government not appointing ministers to churches because that has to do with the filibuster.
Now he's just going through EVERY GOP complaint.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
In their eyes, the rich, white man is the most discriminated against minority in the country.
WayneMorse
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http://gawker.com/liz-cheneys-gay-sister-i-m-not-supporting-liz-s-cand-1468872404
If Liz was any less of the terrible human being she is I might feel sorry for her, but the schadenfreude is just too great for me.
If Liz was any less of the terrible human being she is I might feel sorry for her, but the schadenfreude is just too great for me.
Black Mamba
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That implicitness wouldn't matter legally.
Recess appointments were just rendered useless while the presidents party holds the senate.
empty vessel
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I don't think so. And, even if it did, to whom and who should care about that?
But Liz Cheney has Many Kindnesses.
NYCmetsfan
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Really hope Obama nominates some liberal judges. No need to pretend to play the GOP moderate game. Nominate who you feel is qualified.
rocketknight
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Hell yeah. He should be. We all should be.
Amibguous Cad
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Today, my friends, the repair of the American political system is upon us. The Republic shall endure.
THE NUCLEAR OPTION IS UPON US
IA IA REID FHGTAGAN
THE NUCLEAR OPTION IS UPON US
IA IA REID FHGTAGAN
TacticalFox88
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So how's everyone's crow tasting?
Mine is fucking delicious.
:')
Mine is fucking delicious.
:')
Reid used the nuclear option and now Kay Hagan she has radiation poisoning.
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