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PoliGAF 2013 |OT3| 1,000 Years of Darkness and Nuclear Fallout

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We'll know for sure once the economy starts booming again, whenever that will happen.

I was under the impression that the economy is fine its the unemployment rate and access to non-low wage jobs that are the problem. We have survived the bomb and are now just dealing with the residue left by it.

I feel that this is irrelevant, its only a matter of time until another market crash happens anyway. Hopefully people learn their lesson then.
 

Piecake

Member
I was under the impression that the economy is fine its the unemployment rate and access to non-low wage jobs that are the problem. We have survived the bomb and are now just dealing with the residue left by it.

I feel that this is irrelevant, its only a matter of time until another market crash happens anyway. Hopefully people learn their lesson then.

I think equating the economy with the market is stupid. The economy is fine for rich people. It still sucks for the lower and middle class. I'd say that that the economy is still in pretty poor shape
 
I was under the impression that the economy is fine its the unemployment rate and access to non-low wage jobs that are the problem. We have survived the bomb and are now just dealing with the residue left by it.

I feel that this is irrelevant, its only a matter of time until another market crash happens anyway. Hopefully people learn their lesson then.

Yup. Only a matter of time before we see just how useless Dodd Frank is, when we bail out another big bank after blatant abuses.
 

Drakeon

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We still have it, but it got scaled back a bit in the 2012 election.

Specifically, it requires the third felony be a violent or serious felony for it to apply, rather than stealing some golf clubs or writing a bad check.

I'd still wish we just trash it entirely, but we're not there yet. 2012's revision was definitely a very positive step though.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
I was under the impression that the economy is fine its the unemployment rate and access to non-low wage jobs that are the problem. We have survived the bomb and are now just dealing with the residue left by it.

I feel that this is irrelevant, its only a matter of time until another market crash happens anyway. Hopefully people learn their lesson then.

If there's one thing Americans are good at, it's learning from their mistakes.
 
Yup. Only a matter of time before we see just how useless Dodd Frank is, when we bail out another big bank after blatant abuses.

Despite the Brown Kaufman amendment going down with only a third of the Senate voting for it, it's still promising that the Senate Democratic leadership and a few conservative Republicans got on board. So hopefully when we make another financial regulatory push under President Warren it'll do better.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=2&vote=00136
 
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thepotatoman

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Interns who sued now can't find jobs

Always sad to see someone being punished for doing the right thing. It really shows how much power corporations have if anyone who speaks out against them get labeled as troublemakers and anyone labeled as a troublemaker is left without a job. That kind of power is exactly why free market libertarians scare me so much.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
Interns who sued now can't find jobs

Always sad to see someone being punished for doing the right thing. It really shows how much power corporations have if anyone who speaks out against them get labeled as troublemakers and anyone labeled as a troublemaker is left without a job. That kind of power is exactly why free market libertarians scare me so much.

I get what you mean, but it's not like those who didn't sue are doing all that much better.
 
I just got home from Herberger's

They hired me specifically to work on Black Friday, from 10am-10pm

I also had to drive home from Minneapolis which took 2 hours

I have to drive back there tomorrow

I know I'm an adult now because the holidays are stressful

I hate all things
 

fallagin

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Interns who sued now can't find jobs

Always sad to see someone being punished for doing the right thing. It really shows how much power corporations have if anyone who speaks out against them get labeled as troublemakers and anyone labeled as a troublemaker is left without a job. That kind of power is exactly why free market libertarians scare me so much.

Yep, if you fight the corporatocracy prepared to be fought back. Sucks ass, but that's how it is.
 
Mark Danner | New York Review of Books | Nov. 27, 2013 | 20 minutes (5,011 words)

A political history of Donald Rumsfeld, from the Nixon years to a war in Iraq that he promised would be over in months:

Rumsfeld would offer the "creative" plan for the Iraq invasion that his president had requested that tearful evening in September 2001, one that envisioned a relative handful of troops—150,000, fewer than half the number the elder Bush had assembled a decade before for the much less ambitious Desert Storm—and foresaw an invasion that would begin in shock and awe and an overwhelming rush to Baghdad. As for the occupation—well, if democracy were to come to Iraq it would be the Iraqis themselves who must build it. There would be no occupation, and thus no planning for it. Rumsfeld’s troops would be in and out in four months. As he told a then adoring press corps, "I don't do quagmires."

It did not turn out that way. Having watched from the Oval Office in 1975 the last torturous hours of the United States extracting itself from Vietnam—the helicopters fleeing the roof of the US embassy in Saigon—Rumsfeld would be condemned to thrash about in his self-made quagmire for almost four years, sinking ever deeper in the muck as nearly five thousand Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died. He was smart, brash, ambitious, experienced, skeptical of received wisdom, jealous of civilian control, self-searching, analytical, domineering, and he aimed at nothing less than to transform the American military. The parallels with McNamara are stunning.
 
Fuck Americans and their outrage over drag queens at the Macy's parade. Fucking Christian right...

PEOPLE AREN'T WEARING WHAT I WANT THEM TO WEAR! AMERICA IN DECLINE!

Edit: So that isn't alone at the top of the page here's something to fuel your Thanksgiving schadenfreude:

"The Senate Conservatives Fund is giving conservatism a bad name. They’re participating in ruining the [Republican] brand," McConnell said in an interview with The Washington Examiner. "What they do is mislead their donors into believing the reason that we can’t get as good an outcome as we’d like to get is not because of a Democratic Senate and a Democratic president, but because Republicans are insufficiently committed to the cause — which is utter nonsense."
 
There was a float for the Broadway musical Kinky Boots and there were draq queens on it. Proceed Christian right freakout, how America is perverse and corrupted and finally "WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?!?!l
Ha. I meant point me in the direction of some articles, mister. :)
 
Where are all the PoliGaf horror stories from thanksgiving dinner?

Fine, I'll start. My dad said, and I quote, "the united states is the only communist country in the world." To which I responded, "do you want me to look up communism in a dictionary for you, because what you just said is idiotic." Then he warned me not to look in an American dictionary, because "those don't tell the truth."

Then like two sentences later he said the government is run by corporations.

He's an idiot

Don't judge me.
 
Where are all the PoliGaf horror stories from thanksgiving dinner?

Fine, I'll start. My dad said, and I quote, "the united states is the only communist country in the world." To which I responded, "do you want me to look up communism in a dictionary for you, because what you just said is idiotic." Then he warned me not to look in an American dictionary, because "those don't tell the truth."

Then like two sentences later he said the government is run by corporations.

He's an idiot

Don't judge me.

Huh.
 
Where are all the PoliGaf horror stories from thanksgiving dinner?

Fine, I'll start. My dad said, and I quote, "the united states is the only communist country in the world." To which I responded, "do you want me to look up communism in a dictionary for you, because what you just said is idiotic." Then he warned me not to look in an American dictionary, because "those don't tell the truth."

Then like two sentences later he said the government is run by corporations.

He's an idiot

Don't judge me.

It sounds kind of crazy (and the way he meant it probably was), but I kind of agree with him in a round about way. If one considers the corporation a governmental unit (and I do), then we basically have corporate executives as our politburos. There are differences, to be sure. Our corporate executives kind of sort of compete against each other sometimes, but most often when it comes to policy making (and they do make policy through Congress), they are unified by class interest. There is more inter-vanguard competition, and more freedom, but broad policy and economic decisions are still almost entirely made by a handful of elites.

I'm sure you're dad didn't mean it like that. He probably just meant that Obama was a socialist who wants to give things to black people.
 
It sounds kind of crazy (and the way he meant it probably was), but I kind of agree with him in a round about way. If one considers the corporation a governmental unit (and I do), then we basically have corporate executives as our politburos. There are differences, to be sure. Our corporate executives kind of sort of compete against each other sometimes, but most often when it comes to policy making (and they do make policy through Congress), they are unified by class interest. There is more inter-vanguard competition, and more freedom, but broad policy and economic decisions are still almost entirely made by a handful of elites.

I'm sure you're dad didn't mean it like that. He probably just meant that Obama was a socialist who wants to give things to black people.

Keypoint the banks and oil industry.
 
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The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
Where are all the PoliGaf horror stories from thanksgiving dinner?

Fine, I'll start. My dad said, and I quote, "the united states is the only communist country in the world." To which I responded, "do you want me to look up communism in a dictionary for you, because what you just said is idiotic." Then he warned me not to look in an American dictionary, because "those don't tell the truth."

Then like two sentences later he said the government is run by corporations.

He's an idiot

Don't judge me.

No horror stories fortunately. My father "doesn't like that so many of his tax dollars are being spent on food stamps" but his anger isn't directed at the government but at the "businesses that aren't paying people enough so they're forced to go to the government to eat". He's a very classic pro-union democrat (despite never holding any kind of job that would need labor organization, he's a self employed graphic designer) mixed with a old school "everyone is equal and I believe that firmly" supporter of diversity and equal rights that's a product of having grown up in the civil rights movement.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
lol you can thank Grassley and Coburn for forcing you idiots to sign onto the exchange.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/01/u...ns-rebuild-bond-with-blacks.html?ref=politics

If Clinton really wanted to make amends with the black community she would at least adopt some progressive policies like drug law reform and undoing the 1996 welfare reform.

I really do hope Sanders or Warren will run so that they can push Clinton farther left.
Neither will. Clinton will pay lip service to non violent offenders

Change will come from states and relaxed enforcement. I don't see federal legalization in 20 or 30 years. Decriminalization possibly.

People forget its not legal anywhere in the developed world (just decriminalized) and there are treaties barring its legalization that might pose problems
 
Neither will. Clinton will pay lip service to non violent offenders

Change will come from states and relaxed enforcement. I don't see federal legalization in 20 or 30 years. Decriminalization possibly.

Colorado has fully legalized marijuana *right now*. you think it will be "20 or 30" years of colorado being the odd man out here?

People forget its not legal anywhere in the developed world (just decriminalized) and there are treaties barring its legalization that might pose problems

Uruguay would like a word with you
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/01/u...ns-rebuild-bond-with-blacks.html?ref=politics

If Clinton really wanted to make amends with the black community she would at least adopt some progressive policies like drug law reform and undoing the 1996 welfare reform.

I really do hope Sanders or Warren will run so that they can push Clinton farther left.

Meh. After 5 years of high unemployment and no jobs, she should focus on the biggest issue in the black economy: jobs.
 
Colorado has fully legalized marijuana *right now*. you think it will be "20 or 30" years of colorado being the odd man out here?



Uruguay would like a word with you
One.

And yes I don't think federal statue will make it legal like tobacco or alcohol in that time period. I think there is a good chance it will be legal in most and won't be an enforced offense federally. Maybe even a rescheduling.

But I don't think well see true legalization and a federal excise tax for 20 or 30 years
 
With dropout rates for blacks in some parts of the country over 50%, education reform and ending the war on drugs is probably a bigger issue than "jobs."

Obviously the issues go hand in hand. People drop out of school when they don't feel they have any hope or reason to graduate, because there are no jobs. That's what I hear where I volunteer at Detroit high schools.The recession and weak recovery has hurt blacks and Hispanics more than anyone else, and there are few signs of recovery for them.

I don't think Hillary is going to have a particularly ambitious platform. It's going to be about the economy, for the democrat and republican nominee.
 
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