Judicial reform is pretty tied into jobs because if you have a felony conviction you are essentially barred from ever having a job. And that's either 1/3 or 1/8 African American (found conflicitng figures)
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Judicial reform is pretty tied into jobs because if you have a felony conviction you are essentially barred from ever having a job. And that's either 1/3 or 1/8 African American (found conflicitng figures)
Manmademan
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One isn't zero. and as we've seen with medical marijuana in the US, One state going that route and succeeding leads to a domino effect. There is literally no reason whatsoever for marijuana to be illegal on the level that it is. none.
a "rescheduling" is essentially legalization. It's perfectly legal to buy schedule III or IV drugs with a prescription.
The issue for the federal government is that once a significant portion of the states legalize marijuana outright, enforcement becomes nearly impossible, or at least implausible and pointless.
NYCmetsfan
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No it's not because you can still make it legal for non medical purposes and attatch criminal penalties. Yeah its gonna be pretty easy to come by and not be as stigmatized and states will legalize it with the feds increasingly not caring but this will stymie most federal legalization efforts. Meaning a true recognition of legality
Manmademan
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Lol.
From the article, A big part of the polical barriers to opposition is "The United States, one of the most influential Parties to the Single Convention, has tended to oppose loosening cannabis laws."
You don't say.
So what happens when that reverses? The United States no longer opposes it, and backs decriminalization and legalization? This group is going to say "no, United States, you can't do that" and we back down? When has this ever happened?
And as far as INCB opposition, again from the same article:
The US government sure did bend over to pressure to stop Colorado and Washington there, didn't they? This board has no teeth.
PhoenixDark
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But that's the thing: all those distractions are seen as more profitable than school. Why finish highschool so you can work at McDonalds or be unemployed, when you can make more money hustling (or worse)? When you have a depressed block with little to no successful examples of people who "escaped" the block through education, people look inwards for a solution. And that solution oftentimes isn't pretty. I don't mean to stereotype all struggling neighborhoods like this of course, but it's a major problem in a lot of inner cities. It's also an issue in some rural areas too, to be fair.
NYCmetsfan
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I don't know if you're reading why I'm typing.
I think there will be a lot of cannabis reform. Just that its not going to get legalization nationwide or at the federal level in 20-30 years. I'm not saying it's good or bad.
You can't just back out of a treaty. And your reading more what you want to read and ignoring the other problems. That treaty has kept weed nominally illegal in most of those countries that are bastions of weed liberalism. They prevent its full acceptance. It's gonna be a long time before it's like other legal drugs. The treaty also allows conservatives and others ways to slow down reform
And within the states that have legalized it even medically the feds are still doing raids and disrupting people lives who complying with state law (the nation had a great article how the war on weed is in full effect even with the media declaring it over). I just think weed reformists are getting WAY too ahead of themselves comparing this to gay marriage and downplaying the challenges ahead for them.
WayneMorse
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The fact that Bill destroyed the welfare system doesn't help. It's a huge detriment to not only blacks but single mothers and other impoverished groups. But hey, Slick Willy wanted to impress centrists as being tough on "welfare queens" so he can get re-elected so he had to do it!
I'll never forgive him for what he did to welfare in 1996, and I'll never vote for Hillary because of it.
And when it comes to jobs I don't want another bubble like what happened under Bill, I want long term, sustainable, economic growth, not four years of boom and a decade of recession.
PhoenixDark
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Clinton didn't create the bubble, so I don't know why you're faulting him for it.
Personally I have no problem with the idea of welfare reform in theory. If you're able to work, having to find a job doesn't strike me as a bad thing. The problem with the law is that not everyone can find a job, and the even larger problem is that many mothers on welfare were screwed over. If some type of federal daycare plan was passed alongside the law, it would have worked a lot better.
I would imagine federal daycare and paid parental leave would be a pretty big boost to the economy. It would actually allow parents to work full time if they so choose instead of deciding to pay the ridiculous cost of daycare or one of them stay home. It would put a lot of money back into lower and middle class families
NYCmetsfan
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The times is reporting that healthcare.gov isn't even running on dedicated servers. It handles other stuff too.
This is really amazing how bad they screwed this up.
This is really amazing how bad they screwed this up.
yeah we got it they screwed up
PhoenixDark
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probably because today was one of the most entertaining and shocking days of college football in awhile.
Indeed, also, let's not forget that SUCK IT NICK SABAN!
Only caught the tail end, but it was magic.
NYCmetsfan
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theprodigy
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join the club
hater
why haven't you mass banned SEC-GAF yet
of course they would
smokeandmirrors
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It's gonna be fun watching FSU destroy OSU. You heard it here folks.
I don't think anyone but OSU fans would give a shit. I am a big 10 alumni and think the OSU sports program is just sleazy, and has more in common with the SEC than the Big 10.
StopMakingSense
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theprodigy
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how can this statement be true if everyone would be delighted to see OSU get wrecked
Well, let me amend that. I dont think anyone but OSU fans would be upset. I will root for big 10 teams when they are facing someone else and be a bit sad if they lose in an important game. OSU? Well, ill still probably root for them, but I definitely won't give a shit if they lose.
Giant Panda
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The point being made though is that creating jobs doesn't specifically help black people, it helps everyone, but there's plenty to be done in judicial and education reform that would specifically help black people. I personally think you help the black community a lot more if you focus on fixing a lot of the stupid laws and other problems that cause them to be less successful than whites than focusing on some vague assertion of creating more jobs.
JesseEwiak
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George Romney was a perfectly respectable man who would've been 10 times the President than Nixon was. It's too bad his son turned out to be an asshole.
Kind of like the Bush family.
JesseEwiak
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Eh, Papa Bush was 'moderate' for 1990's Republicanism, which is of course, wild eyed socialism today. But, he still OK'd the Willie Horton ads and all the other evil crap that Lee Atwater said. Romney was an actual Rockefeller Republican who'd be a mainstream Democrat today.
Havent listened to it, but we obviously don't have forced segregation now, but from what ive read/heard its more about realtors thinking "Oh, youre a Black/Hispanic/Asian/White person so I will only show houses where those people live because obviously want to live by people like you. I don't think that necessarily means that there is any negative or racist thought process behind it.
Link
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I used to really let Michelle Malkin get to me, until I realized that she probably cries herself to sleep every night for not being born white.
That's why I put "kind of", haha.
You should listen to it. Your suggestion there is thoroughly addressed.
RustyNails
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I heard it. George Romney went beastmode in order to end segregation in Michigan. Good man.
speculawyer
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Yeah, George Romney was much better than his son.
Just as George HW Bush was also much better than his son.
zero shift
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I remember in a "American impressions thread" in which foreigners talk about their experiences while in the country they often commented on how insanely segregated the country is. "Wait you have schools with primarily black people? What!?"
TacticalFox88
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Well, I kind of assumed it was the same way in Europe too.
Go to a random German school. Would you REALLY expect the number of dark skin students to be even with the number of ethnically white German kids?
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Speaking from a UK perspective, it is obviously predominantly white across most schools. Though in certain areas - London, Birmingham and Leicester spring to mind - you will have areas with predominantly black or South Asian pupils. I've spoken to multiple people who said that whites were the minority in their school.
I don't know how applicable it is to the USA, though, because the racial demography is very different over here. You tend to have large clumps of different races in certain areas. There is one area of London that is famous for its Bangladeshi community, for example. It is difficult to say how much that is to do with segregation as it is to do with people moving to be with their families. It becomes something of a self-fulfilling prophecy. We don't really have the history of domestic racism that you lot do; I think communities - particularly of first generation immigrants - tend to clump together along racial lines.
zero shift
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They meant that there were schools that were mostly black despite being only 15% of the country.
Interesting.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
To be a bit more concise, the UK has been monocultural for a long time. Racial division is a very, very recent phenomena. North America was built on genocide and racial division. Class division is more our thing. Religious division, perhaps also, albeit to a far lesser extent.
The Librarian
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dat bubble
WayneMorse
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The media was basically the mouthpiece of the Bush administration from 9/11 to Katrina.
They were more chickenshit than they were today, just doing whatever Fox News does.
They were more chickenshit than they were today, just doing whatever Fox News does.
Avon Barksdale
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GOPpers gonna GOP.
TacticalFox88
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GOPpers gonna GOP.
The GOP and Irony are like goddamn magnets.
Don't know how they work.
zero shift
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Its a good thing to see a European who understands why race relations are different in America vs Europe.
PhoenixDark
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There have been racial problems in Europe for decades, the difference now is that it can no longer be swept under the carpet, simply due to demographic shifts. It's no coincidence that every thread on European race issues here is dominated by an oblivious, ignorant group of young white European who "don't get it" no matter how blatant the issue is.
zero shift
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The best part is the banana throwing soccer fans. "Its not that big of a deal guys!" Or how about the banning of religious symbols? "The crescent moon encourages extremism!"
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
Absolutely. There have been racial problems in Europe for centuries. Anti-semitism alone in Europe is ingrained from as early as the Black Death. Jews - as a group noticeably separated from 'society' - were often blamed and targeted for supposedly spreading or causing the plague. Regional lords in places like Switzerland or Austria would protect the Jews in their castle for as long as they could. Belgians were some of the most brutal groups in the race for Africa.
However the racial dynamic in central Europe still remains very different from the US (and the UK). Part of this will be to do with the local demographies but a large part will also be down to local insecurity. Dax (I think?) recently posted that map of the world over time - look at the instability in central/eastern Europe. Constant upheaval and destruction does hideous damage to the collective/national psyche.
NYCmetsfan
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On one hand I can understand the fact they don't have a history of it, but their constant statements of "its different here!" we're not racist its just the culture doesn't fit! that's how racism manifests itself today.
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