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[TacticalFox88]

Tea Party...fucking over the world economy because fuck Obama!

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I truly believe this was NEVER about the ACA. It was just an excuse

 

[Xdrive05]

A lot of jokes about running on the banks, but is there really any benefit to doing that?

If shit gets that bad, wouldn't the cash on hand be just as worthless? Wouldn't you be better off running to your Walmart instead and buying ammo and supplies?

 

[PhoenixDark]

Perhaps Heritage's calculation is that a failed House bill will allow Cruz to delay action on the senate side. If Boehner passes something the senate can quickly edit it, pass it, and send it back.

 

[mightynine]

Perhaps Heritage's calculation is that a failed House bill will allow Cruz to delay action on the senate side. If Boehner passes something the senate can quickly edit it, pass it, and send it back.

But wouldn't the Senate just say "F it", pass what they worked on, send it to soon-to-be-ex Speaker Johnny and say "Put it up to a vote and avoid default and we'll try to clean up this mess"?

 

[Yamauchi]

We are going over. Divert some of your mattress money in whiskey; you'll need it.

I could never imagine a few years ago that a relatively small number of neo-confederates could get our country (and the global economy) into this mess.

 

[bodyofanamerican]

@daveweigel 2m
Heritage Action wins again! RT @Bencjacobs: Rules Committee hearing now being postponed indefinitely

Wow. Now THIS one might be dead too.

 

[Black Mamba]

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 3m
RSC members priv say the legislation, as is, is not finding widespread conservative support... informal whip has kept things fluid

ruh roh

@Bencjacobs: Rules Committee hearing now being postponed indefinitely

AHAHAHA

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 50s
Member emails: "I don't think vote is happening tonight"

Fantastical

 

[Riki]

I could never imagine a few years ago that a relatively small number of neo-confederates could get our country (and the global economy) into this mess.

Oh! I could! They love doing this shit.

 

[jamesinclair]

think i'm gonna start a security company to protect the inevitable rise of copper thefts that will occur post default. james sinclair, would you like to consult?

You laugh now, but the street lights well be the first to fall

 

[mightynine]

Finally, I get to post:

Clown Shoes.

 

[ridethepiggy]

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 1m Member emails: "I don't think vote is happening tonight"

they don't have the votes lol

 

[Riki]

Your own party doesn't support this shit, guys! Just pass a clean CR and raise the DL and cut your losses!

 

[ivysaur12]

Oh my god. Oh my god.

Did Heritage kill it or did they just never have the votes?

ALSO HERITAGE THE MANDATE IS YOUR IDEA BY THE WAY.

 

[Giant Panda]

The Dems better demand Neogaf funding in the final bill. This intermittent shutdown must end.

 

[bodyofanamerican]

So, what's the likeliest way forward where we avoid default? Boehner folds, passes a clean CR and DL, goes to the Senate, then that's it? This could all end tonight or first thing tomorrow morning (but won't), right?

 

[Black Mamba]

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 47s
Staffer who's familiar w/ internal GOP whip count: "They know that it is f*****d."

CLOWN SHOES!

 

[ridethepiggy]

CLOWN SHOES!

holy shit lol!

 

[AniHawk]

boehner blew it up. man.

 

[ivysaur12]

CLOWN SHOES!

They have to get something, guys!

 

[Unstable]

I could never imagine a few years ago that a relatively small number of neo-confederates could get our country (and the global economy) into this mess.

W. would like to have a word with you.

Lets not forget, he started this whole mess.

 

[ridethepiggy]

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 1m Not sure if Boehner has officially decided, but leadership world + members who've met with them think the plan, even w/ changes, is dying

lol

 

[Crisco]

Time for the Senate to act and pass it's bill now since the House bill isn't going anywhere.

 

[pigeon]

I'm a little annoyed that the Senate plan hasn't passed yet to avoid this entire discussion.

 

[mightynine]

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 3m
Staffer who's familiar w/ internal GOP whip count: "They know that it is f*****d."

Well, s**t.

 

[Y2Kev]

This is turning into the Xboehner One

 

[Riki]

This is turning into the Xboehner One

If anything needs a full 180, it's this.

 

[bodyofanamerican]

I'm a little annoyed that the Senate plan hasn't passed yet to avoid this entire discussion.

There's a reason why, actually.

There's an arcane procedural reason the Senate is waiting. If it were to advance its own bill through the normal channels, stalling tactics expected to be used by arch-conservatives like Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) could delay passage until the weekend. But if the House were to pass a debt limit hike first, the Senate could declare the measure "privileged" and advance it quickly, possibly by amending it and sending it back.

 

[GhaleonEB]

They have to get something, guys!

Countdown until Graham starts begging again...3....2....

 

[Black Mamba]

I'm a little annoyed that the Senate plan hasn't passed yet to avoid this entire discussion.

Boehner asked McConnell for a little time and he obliged. It's the only explanation.


But what a waste of time that it was. Maybe we can just pass a clean CR and DL with nothing else, now. Best case, really.

 

[Shadow Hog]

Welp.

(Also, I just noticed the last two people to make PoliGAF |OT|s are permabanned. RIP in peace bananas)

 

[Riki]

Boehner asked McConnell for a little time and he obliged. It's the only explanation.


But what a waste of time that it was. Maybe we can just pass a clean CR and DL with nothing else, now. Best case, really.

Why isn't this all it is at this point?
Republicans have to see they aren't getting shit by now. And they don't deserve shit.

 

[ivysaur12]

I like how this entire shutdown was predicated on the theory that Obama would cave. Amazing.

 

[jamesinclair]

(Also, I just noticed the last two people to make PoliGAF |OT|s are permabanned. RIP in peace bananas)

Huh?



Also, why did the last shut down crisis lead to the US electing Bush?

 

[AniHawk]

But what a waste of time that it was. Maybe we can just pass a clean CR and DL with nothing else, now. Best case, really.

and do exactly what obama wanted?!!

 

[ridethepiggy]

I like how this entire shutdown was predicated on the theory that Obama would cave. Amazing.

I bet he would've without harry reid's brass balls falling. Who'd have thunk that harry reid would have been the savior.

 

[TacticalFox88]

I like how this entire shutdown was predicated on the theory that Obama would cave. Amazing.

I think most of us would be lying our asses off if we didn't expect the Dems and 'Bams to cave in SOME form even if it was minor.

 

[Riki]

Huh?



Also, why did the last shut down crisis lead to the US electing Bush?

It wasn't the shutdown.
It was:
1. A weak opponent.
2. The name.

 

[Piecake]

ruh roh



AHAHAHA



Fantastical

you'd think Boehner would have learned after that plan B fiasco. You can't get these nutbags to agree on anything that they think is a 'compromise' or not true to their principals.

 

[ivysaur12]

I think most of us would be lying our asses off if we didn't expect the Dems and 'Bams to cave in SOME form even if it was minor.

Oh, absolutely! It just makes me have that much more respect for Harrh Reid. Also for Obama for letting Reid handle this.

 

[RustyNails]

This thing just blew up in boehner's face. Is this the worst day of his life or what.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I think most of us would be lying our asses off if we didn't expect the Dems and 'Bams to cave in SOME form even if it was minor.

To be fair he did cave on the "no negotiations" thing, and before Boehner blew everything up the senate was poised to pass a bill with concessions. Not that anyone will remember that, if Boehner gives up and passes a clean CR/DL and democrats outright "win" this.

All that remains is Time's inevitable "How Obama Got His Mojo Back" cover.

 

[Black Mamba]

The House GOP is like the nihilists in The Big Lebowski. At the end all the demand is the money out of their wallets even though there is no hostage.

Walter aka Harry Reid says "no."

To be fair he did cave on the "no negotiations" thing, and before Boehner blew everything up the senate was poised to pass a bill with concessions. Not that anyone will remember that, if Boehner gives up and passes a clean CR/DL and democrats outright "win" this.

All that remains is Time's inevitable "How Obama Got His Mojo Back" cover.

No, he did not. Obama said he would not negotiate over the DL/CL but would negotiate over policy. Which is what happened. Trading things and including a DL increase,

 

[Riki]

This thing just blew up in boehner's face. Is this the worst day of his life or what.

 

[ridethepiggy]

TPM asked Graham if he'd prefer default to a clean debt limit hike.

"I think both are terrible options and it'd be silly to pick between the two," he said. "Only a dysfunctional democracy would have those two choices -- which means it may happen."

Imagine if Obama gets the clean CR and raise at the end of the day.

 

[Riki]

Imagine if Obama gets the clean CR and raise at the end of the day.

How is a clean CR a bad thing?!

 

[mckmas8808]

I bet he would've without harry reid's brass balls falling. Who'd have thunk that harry reid would have been the savior.

You joking right? History isn't your friend.

 

[ridethepiggy]

Here

Sahil Kapur – October 15, 2013, 5:00 PM EDT | 3262
House Republicans finalized a plan Tuesday afternoon to avert debt default and re-open the shuttered government after an earlier version of it crashed and threw Congress into chaos within two days of the debt limit deadline.

"The House will vote tonight to reopen the government and avoid default," said Michael Steel, a spokesman for Speaker John Boehner (R-OH).

The proposal would raise the borrowing limit through Feb. 7, fund the federal government through Dec. 15 and rescind health insurance subsidies for members of Congress, the White House and their respective staff members.

Democrats vigorously object to the latter provision, which has strong GOP support due to misconceptions about an alleged Obamacare "exemption" for Congress. In reality, Obamacare forces all members and staff to buy insurance on the exchanges and affords them financial assistance, just as the vast majority of U.S. workers get through their employers. The Republican amendment would strip away that employer contribution.

"After listening to Members at Conference this morning," Steel said, "House Republican Leaders will bring a plan to the floor which will end the ObamaCare subsidies for elected officials and staff in Washington, DC, and pressure Senate Democrats to accept more sensible dates for the CR and the debt limit."

The new House GOP plan excludes provisions in an emerging Senate deal aimed at placating both parties, such as a union-backed delay in an Obamacare reinsurance fee and income verification for those seeking subsidies to buy insurance on the law's marketplaces.

It remains unclear if a debt limit hike can pass Congress by the Thursday debt limit deadline, given the differences between the two chambers. But passage through the House stands to speed up any bill in the Senate, which could consider the measure "privileged" and bypass potential efforts by conservative senators to stall and delay.

House Republicans immediately began the process of fast-tracking the bill to the floor. If all goes as planned, a vote is scheduled for Tuesday night.

Shortly after the proposal was unveiled, Heritage Action, the deep-pocketed group that carries significant sway with conservatives, came out against it and announced that it would downgrade lawmakers who vote for it. The move could be significant because Heritage Action has helped scuttle many House GOP bills by turning arch-conservative members against them.

"Americans are clamoring for a way out of Obamacare, not another Washington-style punt," the conservative group said in a statement.

House Democrats are expected to be unified against the GOP plan, said a senior Democratic aide. That signals trouble for the legislation.

 

[AniHawk]

I like how this entire shutdown was predicated on the theory that Obama would cave. Amazing.

to be fair a lot of people had reason to believe he might. glad to know he and reid found their backbones.

 

[bodyofanamerican]

@robertcostaNRO 30s
Confirmed: tonight's vote is dead

 

[Fenderputty]

The House GOP is like the nihilists in The Big Lebowski. At the end all the demand is the money out of their wallets even though there is no hostage.

Walter aka Harry Reid says "no",

Who's Donnie? Lol