PoliGAF 2015 |OT2| Pls print
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Damn, that shit is too real.
It definitely didn't work because Trump's numbers continued upward after that ad. I don't know what it is about Jeb, but I involuntarily rage every time I see him. He sucks! Even in his own advertisements! Policy preferences aside, this dude does not deserve to be president. I'm still waiting for Mitt to swoop in and save us.
saw that in my FB feed late this afternoon and kept scrolling
benjipwns
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I had seen his comments in transcript but not the actual footage. He definitely let the moment run away with him and couldn't help but gloat.
I wonder if this admission is going to help undermine or at least cast more doubt over other (already pretty transparent) partisan investigative committee efforts? Democrats will be able to bring it up every single time for years.
Heh, if it comes down to Trump vs Clinton, I can see an ad made up completely of Trump praising Hilary from that footage. Not sure who that would win over or if it would dissuade any conservatives from turning up to the polls, but would be hilarious.
benjipwns
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Alternatively they could stop committing crimes requiring investigations.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Jeb! has a BA in Latin American Studies.
Bam Bam Baklava
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What crimes?
There's a crime deep, down there somewhere.
Of course, even if a Democrat does do something wrong, they still have the opportunity to cast doubt on the legitimacy of the investigation because of this.
benjipwns
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They wouldn't investigate if there weren't crimes.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Whoa
what has Hillary done in her life that wasn't a crime?
benjipwns
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Supported Goldwater over LBJ.
Though she probably did that in a criminal manner somehow.
brainchild
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What difference, at this point, does it make?
benjipwns
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From the rebooted Daily Show:
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/qf2zh...oah-donald-trump--america-s-african-president
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/qf2zh...oah-donald-trump--america-s-african-president
Turns out that having a dad-president is pretty fucking good for your career.
Plinko
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This is just...ugh.
BertramCooper
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I'm genuinely excited for Hillary's testimony in front of the Benghazi committee.
She's really fucking angry about it, as seen in that Today Show town hall interview, and it's pretty impressive to see her talking about it so aggressively.
I think Cillizza's piece on the subject sums up the situation pretty well.
She's really fucking angry about it, as seen in that Today Show town hall interview, and it's pretty impressive to see her talking about it so aggressively.
I think Cillizza's piece on the subject sums up the situation pretty well.
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I guess the mass shooting that will finally convince us to enact gun control legislation will be the one that happens in the NRA boardroom.
Coriolanus
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Noah paying off already.
PhoenixDark
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A bunch of little white kids were shot to pieces in Newtown and nothing changed. If that doesn't prove nothing will be done on guns, I don't know what will convince you. All these Obams lectures on guns fall flat to me. It's high time to admit nothing will be done due to cowardice from republicans and the apathy of the American public, who would rather hand wring over the issue in the aftermath of a shooting only to move on to the latest media story two weeks later. That's where the failure lies.
I can't be mad at all of the apathy though. There are more important issues to vote on. Gun control won't stop many of these killings - it certainly wouldn't have stopped the Oregon killing since the guy wasn't diagnosed with a mental illness nor did he have a criminal record.
Ultimately I'd rather see illegal gun trafficking and straw purchases addressed. Most gun violence in this country revolves around that, not legally purchased guns. Something is wrong when a kid can buy an illegal gun in Chicago for $50. In terms of school shootings it's time to follow the lead of inner city schools and introduce metal detectors and lock doors at entries so people can't just waltz in. If white suburban parents want to continue rejecting that because poor little Jimmy might feel like a criminal that's not my problem.
I can't be mad at all of the apathy though. There are more important issues to vote on. Gun control won't stop many of these killings - it certainly wouldn't have stopped the Oregon killing since the guy wasn't diagnosed with a mental illness nor did he have a criminal record.
Ultimately I'd rather see illegal gun trafficking and straw purchases addressed. Most gun violence in this country revolves around that, not legally purchased guns. Something is wrong when a kid can buy an illegal gun in Chicago for $50. In terms of school shootings it's time to follow the lead of inner city schools and introduce metal detectors and lock doors at entries so people can't just waltz in. If white suburban parents want to continue rejecting that because poor little Jimmy might feel like a criminal that's not my problem.
BertramCooper
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The only thing that will end gun violence is the repeal of the second amendment and a subsequent buyback program.
I do think that the second amendment will eventually be repealed, but I don't see it happening in my lifetime.
I do think that the second amendment will eventually be repealed, but I don't see it happening in my lifetime.
Wow. Well this makes it seem more likely Joe will get in. I never imagined the leak would have ever came from himself.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/joe-biden-beau-2016-214459
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/joe-biden-beau-2016-214459
benjipwns
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Gun buyback programs are spectacular failures. I don't think there's been a single public policy study that's shown it to be effective. And that's with a lot of them being people wishing they would find results.
Especially in the United States now that gun people are flocking to them to outbid the state's offers and buying them instead. Especially with people who don't understand what they're selling.
Forced seizure and regular searches is the only way to go to pretend you're preventing gun ownership outside the elite classes.
Meanwhile, easy things like criminal justice and policing reforms, drug rescheduling, firing everyone in the DEA, etc. let's ignore that. We should definitely focus on trying to repeal the 2nd Amendment or get the courts to gut it further.
Gun "debate" is like abortion. And welfare and immigration. The symptoms are confused for the problems and then people just want to cover up the symptoms best they can and consider the problem solved.
Thankfully, we'll soon have Trump to handle our problems and our symptoms for us.
Especially in the United States now that gun people are flocking to them to outbid the state's offers and buying them instead. Especially with people who don't understand what they're selling.
Forced seizure and regular searches is the only way to go to pretend you're preventing gun ownership outside the elite classes.
Meanwhile, easy things like criminal justice and policing reforms, drug rescheduling, firing everyone in the DEA, etc. let's ignore that. We should definitely focus on trying to repeal the 2nd Amendment or get the courts to gut it further.
Gun "debate" is like abortion. And welfare and immigration. The symptoms are confused for the problems and then people just want to cover up the symptoms best they can and consider the problem solved.
Thankfully, we'll soon have Trump to handle our problems and our symptoms for us.
eBay Huckster
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the most obvious solution to the gun debate is a nuclear holocaust
which also happens to be the most obvious solution to every other issue, up to and including "we haven't had a nuclear holocaust"
which also happens to be the most obvious solution to every other issue, up to and including "we haven't had a nuclear holocaust"
Roland_Gunner
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HRC ripping some dimbulb Reps to pieces would be amazing to see. She just can't be too mean or it feed into her negative image.
benjipwns
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Typical Big-Nuclear-Holocaust propaganda. It's like we can't even talk about a microwave satellite holocaust without these old talking points coming up.
I tend to agree, she's far and away at her best when she can go on the offensive. Defence just doesn't suit her.
eBay Huckster
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sure, but have you considered the gamma ray burst holocaust?
BertramCooper
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There were plenty of studies that showed Australia's mandatory gun buyback program to be effective - particularly in reducing suicides.
EDIT: In case my prior post on the subject wasn't sufficiently clear, I was indeed proposing a mandatory buyback program following a repeal of the second amendment - not a voluntary one.
Coriolanus
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Fwiw, in brasil homicides grew at a slower rate after we passed more restrictive gun legislation. A buyback program was part of it, along with a truckload of other measures. Selling your arms wasn't mandatory, but you did have to register them, and renewing your registry 5 years down the line requires subjecting yourself to a weapons handling test and a psych eval.
green is projected, following the previous trend of about a 7.8% increase in homicides per year. law was passed in 2003. #itssomething
green is projected, following the previous trend of about a 7.8% increase in homicides per year. law was passed in 2003. #itssomething
BertramCooper
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I honestly don't think people will care much if Hillary seems mean.
I think a lot of people would rather see her being bold and aggressive than see this warm-and-fuzzy grandma stuff that she's been playing since her campaign launched.
The former suits her. The latter does not.
Exactly. Despite what people may say, they prefer honesty and enthusiasm. If that shines through with Hillary when she's on the back foot, striking back at her enemies, then that's what people will respond to. It's why Bernie and Trump are doing well, it's the secret to Biden's popularity among Democrats and why everyone loves "no fucks left to give" Obama the best.
shinra-bansho
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I thought it was widely thought/known that Biden himself, or at the very least someone very close to him, was the source and Dowd served a useful trial balloon given her weird obsession with Hillary. Who else would have known what words Beau Biden and his father exchanged on the former's deathbed.
benjipwns
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I honestly don't know who I would choose between Biden and Hillary. I'd like to see the first female president, but then again, my first priority is a Democratic win in the general. I don't think think there is any scenario where Massachusetts chooses the nominee, anyway so it will most likely be out of my control unless I'm going to actively campaign (which I won't).
I would imagine it was someone close to him on his staff that he told the story to who was trying to nudge him into running when the story was first run.
The fact he himself contacted Dowd to say "my dying son wants me to run for President" makes it seem far far more likely he will get in, otherwise why bring that story to the national media himself?
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