RustyNails
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They were able to record her thoughts during the Benghazi hearing? :O
Abinash117
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Don't overestimate them either. They aren't some group that decides who wins general elections.
Ben Carson is a straight up fool when it comes to being a president. His ignorance on many matters would make him look stupid and inexperienced; independents and even some Republicans would not vote for him most likely. His sound bits and talking points will not carry him far at all and since the media will focus on both him and Clinton he most likely won't survive in the spotlight . He is also not the best speaker and would have trouble building connections in the base since he is an outsider. He would also be a really, really easy target. He only seems dangerous because of the high polls and his ignorance, but like other times you are being focused solely on polls which doesn't matter until the general. The primaries aren't the general election.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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This sounds like a Ben Carson story except for the lack of references to Nazis or slavery.
That's not his aactual account right?
And_Gignac
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Nightmare fuel.
Evangelicals aren't enough to make him competitive in the general, there simply aren't enough of them to say an election. Even in the GOP primary they never get their choice.
Carson would be shredded in a general election, the only reason he's still afloat is that no one pays much attention this early.
Evangelicals beyond IA decrease in number as the calendar goes on. Huckabee and Santorum found that out the hard way.
Sometimes I think Ben Carson might have been the one who posted that Space Moors Time Redux thread on GAF last year.
Exactly, the only reason anyone cares about them is Iowa's place in the calendar. If Iowa wasn't first they'd be irrelevant.
That thread was hilarious.
brainchild
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And_Gignac
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I would say that I agree but I have my reservations. The GOP debates garnered as much attention (more going by ratings) than even presidential debates. He got the attention and went up in the polls.
And evangelicals power comes from organization, not numbers. They shaped politics in America since Reagan until Bush Jr.. I would agree though, their power and influence is not what it used to be.
Their influence is almost non-existent outside of fundraising and due to changes in campaign finance laws that's basically gone too. The cultural shift leftward, as minor as it may be, has all but neutered them.
Outside of Iowa they have no real power left. I honestly think you're massively overestimating their power if you think they can get Carson to be competitive in a general election. If the GOP went with Carson it would be every Democratic strategist's wet dream, it would be an easier win than against Trump.
Listening to Joe Biden's announcement again, it's kind of weird that he dropped out. "Beau is our inspiration, but we just can't do it because... time."
Seems like he realized he made a mistake and should have announced several months back.
Hillary is basically unopposed. Has any candidate from either party had such an easy primary? When is the last time in US history this happened?
Seems like he realized he made a mistake and should have announced several months back.
Hillary is basically unopposed. Has any candidate from either party had such an easy primary? When is the last time in US history this happened?
Gore but he was an incumbent VP
Non-incumbent President or VP? Probably Hillary depending on the ultimate outcome.
PhoenixDark
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Oh man I feel so bad for him...lol
He's definitely running for governor if this presidential bid fails.
And_Gignac
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Ok these type of posts are going to be funny next year if Clinton doesnt secure the nomination during Super Tuesday. (she most likely wont if Sanders wins Iowa)
Theres really no need to be so dismissive of Sanders.
Biden needed to announce he was running at about the same time Beau died to be competitive. I feel like the last month or so has been him trying to figure out if it was possible to play catch up and play to his full potential, only to discover he didn't have nearly enough time to reach his fighting weight. Part of me hoped he'd find a way, but there just wasn't enough time given the head start Hillary had and the way the debate went.
We've never really had a candidate like Hillary before, she's essentially an incumbent as far as this race is concerned and she's running like it.
Do I need to link to your own posts after the debate? Even you knew he was done after that. He needed a game changer and he didn't get it, everything after that failure is going to be a long, slow death march to Super Tuesday.
Trey Gowdy was on MTP today and Chuck Godd (lol) asked him what new things he learned about BENGHAZI! now that he had 72 hours to go back and read the transcript, and the best this shitstain could come up with was that he didn't like how Hillary wasn't being specific about BENGHAZI!
That's it.
Him, his staff and his Republican buddies huddled together, and combed through 11 hours worth of testimony, and THIS is the best these clowns could come up with.
That's it.
Him, his staff and his Republican buddies huddled together, and combed through 11 hours worth of testimony, and THIS is the best these clowns could come up with.
And_Gignac
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I am not saying Sanders is going to win. I am saying that Sanders has still enough traction to win both Iowa and NH and with that give himself a sufficient boost to survive Super Tuesday. Clinton isnt running "unopposed", just like McCain wasnt in 08.
QuiteWhittle
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What awful luck for the Biden family... I don't wanna get emotional about it, but I just think it would have been fitting for him to live up to his son's dying wish. But who knows what he's really going through with his family.
You had one job, Kansas voters... and you blew it. Take a look in the mirror if you are mad. Davis would have been a great fit for Kansas and boy do Dems need more Governors.
Kansas must be a really shitty place to live.
That's beyond objectively false.
The Fox Debate had 24 million viewers.
The first 2012 Presidential debate had 67 million viewers and the second had 65 million viewers. It's not even in the same ballpark.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/second-presidential-debate-ratings_n_1974838.html
makingmusic476
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And_Gignac
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wow, drag me.
I forgot presidential debates air in every major network (why? I dont know, probably a symptom of Sanderitis). Poor me.
PhoenixDark
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http://www.mediaite.com/tv/im-a-lit...native/#ooid=hmNzhleDqs8TZvCXkwEF_hz_RETzNPUf
people are scared of this guy in a general election? Come on.
people are scared of this guy in a general election? Come on.
brainchild
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You're right, but it's fucking crazy that FOX had over one third of the same amount of views as the most recent first presidential debate. That's one network covering a primary debate compared to all the major networks covering a presidential debate.
Next year's numbers are going to be MASSIVE, mostly because of Trump.
Yeah, whoever said 2008 was wackier than 2016 because we'll never get another Palin -> we found one.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Jeb and Donald now tied in prediction market odds.
http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016RepNomination
http://www.predictwise.com/politics/2016RepNomination
ItWasMeantToBe19
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*YUUUGGE, not MASSIVE.
And_Gignac
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Bu-but the establishment, Nate "5% chances" Silver!
Those still betting on Bush are delusional.
Don't forget luxurious and classy.
I really should have put some money on Trump a month ago.
brainchild
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It just blows me away that this man is a neurosurgeon. A talented neurosurgeon at that. You don't just arrive to such an occupation without a base level of intelligence and studiousness. Yet he seems to defy all logic.
RustyNails
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Rubio on top? I think his Potted Plant strategy is working. Just keep riding the wave, but let others get washed. I want to see Marco grilled like Ben Carson in that Chris Wallace interview. Dude would sweat so hard the room will become misty.
The smartest guy in my computer science classes read Drudge as his primary news source and was a strong advocate for the gold standard.
brainchild
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LOL
Me too. I'd have some nice petty cash coming, around Super Tuesday.
You can't interpret the numbers in the same way though. People watch the Presidential debates and take them seriously. People watched that debate for the train wreck provided by one Donald J. Trump.
So probably cut that number by at least a third of people who didn't turn in out of morbid curiosity. It was more like an episode of reality TV than an actual debate.
I'm telling you, Rubio has the nom.
He will look especially young and enthusiastic up against Hillary. Like Obama did against McCain.
He's the GOP's best chance.
RustyNails
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Well, he knows how to stick to talking points at least. Very amateur though. He looked visibly frustrated as in "why aren't you asking me the question that I want to answer?" Bodes well for his future appearances.
RustyNails
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He's for abortion one day and he's against abortion the other, including in the case of rape/incest. He's for Iraq war one day and he's against it on another day. Trump will provide an excellent contrast to this flip flopping politician.
He can still win, he has time.
Aaron Strife
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Well gosh golly gee, it's too bad there wasn't an election recently where this bum could have been thrown out.
But his opponent supported abortion so fuck it!
brainchild
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But if Trump gets the nomination (and he will), then we have an even more epic train wreck to watch! Just like reality TV, you can't just stop at one episode!
So, combine the viewers who are taking the presidential debate seriously with the people who don't care about politics but love Trump/reality TV and you have a recipe for the highest ratings of any televised event ever when the first presidential debate of 2016 is broadcast.
You'll have to forgive the hyperbole on the projected ratings of next year's debates, but seriously, everyone is going to be watching!
Fixed.
shinra-bansho
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Which states do you think on Super Tuesday that aren't currently Sanders-friendly would change if the whims of Iowa and New Hampshire, which don't see very reflective of the broader Democratic base, were to both go Sanders?
Larry Sabato has made this useful visual aid, which may have already been posted.
Showing the different state's demographics.
Do you expect him to start pulling significant non-white support as a result of winning the first two primaries?
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