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[thepotatoman]

I'll have to relook at the historical polls again when I get the time, but I think the the only person ever to at one point poll above 40% and ended up losing was Hillary. Trump's almost there with 15 other people nipping at his heels.

When you're getting that much support, you're probably going to find enough undecideds to get you above 50% as the field begins to winnow, even if most of them would never vote for you, and you often don't really need to get as high as 50% anyways.

 

[Makai]

A 25 point lead is quite something. He had a 20 point lead around the first debate and then the race tightened.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

I'll have to relook at the historical polls again when I get the time, but I think the the only person ever to at one point poll above 40% and ended up losing was Hillary. Trump's almost there with 15 other people nipping at his heels.

When you're getting that much support, you're probably going to find enough undecideds to get you above 50% as the field begins to winnow, even if most of them would never vote for you, and you often don't really need to get as high as 50% anyways.

If I recall, Hillary also had that lead a good deal earlier in the race than we're at now. I could be wrong though.

 

[watershed]

Trump is the ultimate politician. He is made of lies.

 

[ElTorro]

Anyone that takes Carson over Chomsky doesn't even deserve to be on the serious table. Sam Harris is a neuro scientist. Dawkins is an evolutionary scientist. Why the fuck they open their mouths about socio-politics and foreign policy is beyond me.

Chomsky isn't professionally trained in politics or sociology either. That is not a disqualifying factor per se. People can say thoughtful or profoundly stupid things despite their educational or professional background.

Your post about integration, doubt and "western liberal values" is completely wrong.

Why?

 

[Makai]

Are we sure everyone's dropping out after New Hampshire? They can claim they would have won if the vote weren't split and keep trudging along. It seems like a weird game theory problem.

 

[curlyfriski]

Chomsky isn't professionally trained in politics or sociology either. That is not a disqualifying factor per se. People can say thoughtful or profoundly stupid things despite their educational or professional background.



Why?

Whether you agree with him or not, Chomsky's knowledge of world politics is nearly infinitely greater than the guy whose own advisers say is clueless about foreign policy.

 

[ElTorro]

Whether you agree with him or not, Chomsky's knowledge of world politics is nearly infinitely greater than the guy whose own advisers say is clueless about foreign policy.

Sure. That wasn't the point here though. RustyNails made a general argument to deny somebody's credibility based on their professional or educational background, which is a silly argument to make. What you are saying about Chomsky only makes my point: his educational background obviously does not matter in his case.

 

[Coriolanus]

I think he's more of a Dr. Cottard.

I hope you get the picture. Maybe someone has an English translation and can post the entire paragraph.

Wish i had the balls to publish a book with that name.

 

[Makai]

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...er-horn-fights-resignation-calls-slams-trump/

New Hampshire GOP chairwoman Jennifer Horn is fighting off calls for her resignation after she violated the bylaws of her own state party by attacking GOP candidate Donald Trump.

Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski called Horn’s actions “everything that’s wrong with the GOP elite.”

Nice, although it sounds like she didn't actually break any bylaws.

 

[Makai]

Wait, what the heck? Pataki has 2% and Gilmore has 3% in the Reuters poll.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Wait, what the heck? Pataki has 2% and Gilmore has 3% in the Reuters poll.

Eventually they were going to score in the upper bounds of the margin of error. Law of averages and all that.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

BREAKING: Erdogan says he will not apologize for downing of Russian jet, says those who violate airspace need to apologize.

This conflict has the most level headed and reasonable leaders in it other than Trump.

 

[ElTorro]

This conflict has the most level headed and reasonable leaders in it other than Trump.

We should settle this conflict by putting both leaders in a cage and having them fight to the death. The outcome would be positive no matter what happens.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Lamar Smith keeps fighting the ridiculous fight against politically correct science like climate change.

Holy shit, stuff like this scares me. For real.

 

[Bowdz]

Holy shit, stuff like this scares me. For real.

Lamar Smith has always been at the cutting edge of being an asshole. He is the Steve Jobs of assholes.

 

[Coriolanus]

We should settle this conflict by putting both leaders in a cage and having them fight to the death. The outcome would be positive no matter what happens.

A lifelong politician vs an ex-kgb operative? Come on. The outcome would be republicans shouting for years to come that if democrats were True Leaders, they'd be even more like putin.

 

[Manmademan]

New Reuters poll

Trump - 37%
Cruz - 11%
Rubio - 10%
Carson - 9%
Bush - 6%

Carson is definitely over.

holy shit what a collapse.

 

[Averon]

What changed that caused Carson to collapse so suddenly?

 

[neurosisxeno]

What changed that caused Carson to collapse so suddenly?

He keeps talking.

 

[Butts-a-plenty]

What changed that caused Carson to collapse so suddenly?

He's weaker on foreign policy than Stubbs the Cat Mayor of Talkeetna, Alaska.

 

[Y2Kev]

This why I don't buy when people say, "XXX is teflon." Eventually a barrage of negative press does weigh on a candidate. The media has just been unable to hit Trump with anything that sticks.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Lamar Smith has always been at the cutting edge of being an asshole. He is the Steve Jobs of assholes.

Wasn't Steve Jobs the Steve Jobs of assholes?

 

[neurosisxeno]

This why I don't buy when people say, "XXX is teflon." Eventually a barrage of negative press does weigh on a candidate. The media has just been unable to hit Trump with anything that sticks.

He's considered the "Least Worst" Candidate by a frustrated GOP electorate who doesn't trust politicians, and has been spoon fed the narrative that we should run the country like a business for over 30 years. He's had a lot of scandals, but it just seems to reinforce peoples opinions of him. A lot of people even see him as the "Anti-PC" candidate who says what he wants and what the voters secretly believe. Apparently there are a lot of people who don't like that doing racist things in a racist way gets called out, and chalk it up to the country becoming too politically correct.

It's weird, but I totally get why he's the front runner. Carson on the other hand clearly was just the go-to Evangelical Candidate, and Ted Cruz is a much better version of that--he at least as something resembling charisma and a bit of political experience.

 

[Mike M]

This why I don't buy when people say, "XXX is teflon." Eventually a barrage of negative press does weigh on a candidate. The media has just been unable to hit Trump with anything that sticks.

Almost as though he were coated in some sort of non-sticking substance...

 

[Poodlestrike]

Almost as though he were coated in some sort of non-sticking substance...

Beat me to it

This primary cycle has made me aware of how much of our social system relies upon shame. People expect other people to, when told that they're wrong, to care, and make attempts to correct themselves. It's those attempts that generally hurt a candidate because they make them look weak.

Trump simply has no shame, and thus, no mechanism by which to force him to change his behavior.

 

[Y2Kev]

Almost as though he were coated in some sort of non-sticking substance...

I don't agree. In my opinion, the complete lack of diligence on why his businesses failed four times and the limp dicked retorts to his bullshit about the Muslims celebrating seems more indicative of a media afraid of him-- or perhaps thankful for him-- than one out to get him.

 

[pigeon]

I don't agree. In my opinion, the complete lack of diligence on why his businesses failed four times and the limp dicked retorts to his bullshit about the Muslims celebrating seems more indicative of a media afraid of him-- or perhaps thankful for him-- than one out to get him.

I think it's just a continuation of the issue the media's been struggling to deal with for years, which is working the ref. If they call out that the GOP politicians are just blatantly lying, then the GOP will blast them for being biased. But if they don't call that out they're letting the GOP get away with, well, blatantly lying.

This exact subject came up in 2008, where Romney just lied about his tax plan, reversed himself in the debates, and nobody really pointed it out because it would require calling him a liar.

So if there's no backstop to call a candidate out for lying, why not just lie as much as possible?

There was a Vox article about exactly this, in which George Stephanopoulos actually did say "Trump, that didn't happen," and Trump just said "Yes it did, I saw it." In general the media doesn't really have a plan for that, they just try to keep crazy conspiracy theorists off the airwaves.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2015/11/23/9784766/donald-trump-abc-stephanopoulos

 

[Daniel B·]

The co-founders of Ben & Jerry's ice cream are long time fans of Bernie (video link):

One of the reasons both Jerry and I are so supportive of him, is because he's been so incredibly consistent.

We've known Bernie for over thirty years, we've been represented by Bernie, and his message has been consistent, it has not changed.

Here's what Bernie had to say on Ben & Jerry's winning ingredients:

Yes, we can be a successful, profitable corporation, but we can also be good custodians of the environment, we can be good employers, we can protect family farmers. That life is more than making as much money as we can, and that's why they became a beloved company in this state [Vermont]

Ice cream anyone?

Top 10 Ben & Jerry’s Flavors (source: B&J 22/12/14)

Of course, to be enjoyed as an occasional treat, as the suggested serving size of Half Baked is 1/2 cup, which has 27g of sugars, or 6.75 teaspoons of sugar, which is almost 1 teaspoon over the WHO's recommended daily limit of six teaspoons - meanies .

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Daniel B, with the greatest respect, the number of people on PoliGAF who will be persuaded by the association of a candidate with the former owners of an ice cream company is close to 0.

 

[Holmes]

Obviously Ben and Jerry's is for Bernie.

 

[Plumbob]

The co-founders of Ben & Jerry's ice cream are long time fans of Bernie (video link):


Ice cream anyone?.

I support Bernie but this post is kind of obnoxious and tone-deaf.

 

[Retromelon]

Erasureacer used to be my favorite poster round here
Now its daniel b

 

[Daniel B·]

Daniel B, with the greatest respect, the number of people on PoliGAF who will be persuaded by the association of a candidate with the former owners of an ice cream company is close to 0.

I don't think there's anything that would sway the hardcore posters in PoliGAF; my posts are aimed at the wider GAF readership, and also, I chose that video snapshot to further demonstrate that Bernie is popular with all age groups, hell, I was practically the youngest person at our recent Bernie organising meeting.

In addition, I wasn't aware that the Ben & Jerry's corporation was run in such a great fashion, and is a good example for all corporations.

 

[Cheebo]

I don't think there's anything that would sway the hardcore posters in PoliGAF; my posts are aimed at the wider GAF readership.

You are in the PoliGAF thread in the Community forum, not the OT forum. The wider GAF readership doesn't read this topic. Your posts are just spam in a community thread in which there is no one here unsure what candidate they support and who already follow the election very closely. If you want to reach the wider readership then post it in the Off-Topic section. The community area is very insular.

 

[Tamanon]

I support Bernie but this post is kind of obnoxious and tone-deaf.

To be fair, almost all of his Bernie posts have had nothing to do with the topic currently discussed. It's like he has a list of them to go through.

 

[Frank the Great]

I don't think there's anything that would sway the hardcore posters in PoliGAF; my posts are aimed at the wider GAF readership, and also, I chose that video snapshot to further demonstrate that Bernie is popular with all age groups, hell, I was practically the youngest person at our recent Bernie organising meeting.

In addition, I wasn't aware that the Ben & Jerry's corporation was run in such a great fashion, and is a good example for all corporations.

No one gives a fuck about Bernie and he has 0% chance of winning anything.

 

[B-Dubs]

I don't think there's anything that would sway the hardcore posters in PoliGAF; my posts are aimed at the wider GAF readership, and also, I chose that video snapshot to further demonstrate that Bernie is popular with all age groups, hell, I was practically the youngest person at our recent Bernie organising meeting.

In addition, I wasn't aware that the Ben & Jerry's corporation was run in such a great fashion, and is a good example for all corporations.

I see you still don't understand how statistics work.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Erasureacer used to be my favorite poster round here
Now its daniel b

Daniel, you should probably keep in mind the fact that Bobby Jindal was this guy's favorite politician for a while there and he's since moved on to Rand Paul.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

No one gives a fuck about Bernie and he has 0% chance of winning anything.

His chances of winning the Vermont primary are pretty good.

 

[Mike M]

I don't agree. In my opinion, the complete lack of diligence on why his businesses failed four times and the limp dicked retorts to his bullshit about the Muslims celebrating seems more indicative of a media afraid of him-- or perhaps thankful for him-- than one out to get him.

Not to be pedantic (by which I mean, "let's get really pedantic"), but your original assertion was that the media has thus far been unable to get anything to stick, not that they've been unwilling to go after him hard enough.

I don't disagree, incidentally. Just found the juxtaposition in your first post amusing.

 

[Cheebo]

I really hope Daniel doesn't disappear when Bernie loses. Seeing his melt down would be really entertaining.

 

[Daniel B·]

You are in the PoliGAF thread in the Community forum, not the OT forum. The wider GAF readership doesn't read this topic. Your posts are just spam in a community thread in which there is no one here unsure what candidate they support and who already follow the election very closely. If you want to reach the wider readership then post it in the Off-Topic section. The community area is very insular.

It's funny you should say that, as the view count for the thread (currently 824k) has been growing nicely, and I'm seeing some new faces .

 

[Retromelon]

Daniel, you should probably keep in mind the fact that Bobby Jindal was this guy's favorite politician for a while there and he's since moved on to Rand Paul.

The way you said that has, I feel, an underlying subtext of "this motherfucker"
and to be frank bobby jindal was never my absolute favorite politician.

 

[Manmademan]

I don't agree. In my opinion, the complete lack of diligence on why his businesses failed four times and the limp dicked retorts to his bullshit about the Muslims celebrating seems more indicative of a media afraid of him-- or perhaps thankful for him-- than one out to get him.

here's the thing, you get into the ins and outs of bankruptcy laws and joe sixpack tunes right out. They don't understand finance and don't care to. This isn't going to be a successful way to attack him even among those that understand finance and pay attention- Trump has hundreds of small businesses set up to do just about everything, and the vast majority are successful. the ones that aren't tend to be casinos in jersey- and atlantic city is in complete shambles due to pennsylvania expanding their gambling operations. Three casinos shut down and went bankrupt last year alone.

As for muslims celebrating, whether they did or not is irrelevant. Trump knows he'll be called out on it, but this is another opportunity to portray the media as having an agenda, and being the tough guy that takes a stand against them. The "liberal media!" strategy NEVER fails to work among the conservative base. Why should they play into that more? it only benefits trump.

Carson's collapse isn't due to anything the media did- Everyone knew he was an intellectual lightweight, but those backing him cared more about things like jesus and morals than understanding foreign policy- until a terror attack reminded them it might kinda sorta be important and they jumped ship to trump who is viewed as being stronger on foreign policy and terrorism than anyone else, and has been for almost as long as he's been running.

Trump is teflon because he doesn't HAVE any weaknesses for his opponents to exploit in the primary. He's smart enough to engage anyone in a debate on any topic, and has already run so far to the right on terrorism and immigration that outflanking him by going even harder right isn't really possible unless you're going to advocate burning muslims alive at the stake.

 

[Cheebo]

Daniel I am curious, do you send your spouse/SO, friends, family, etc with all this Bernie stuff too?

Like at your thanksgiving table today are you going to be pushing the Bern like you do here?

 

[Aaron Strife]

I really hope Daniel doesn't disappear when Bernie loses. Seeing his melt down would be really entertaining.

If erasureacer doesn't make one last appearance here I'll be very upset.

 

[noshten]

No one gives a fuck about Bernie and he has 0% chance of winning anything.

Wow... you guys are upping the ante.

 

[ivysaur12]

That Carson collapse is stunning, and you think maybe the GOP has found its moment of sobriety, and then you realize that it's directly proportional to Trump's rise. And Cruz.

 

[Makai]

Dammit Aunt May, this turkey is kinda burnt. That reminds me - do you feel the Bern™?