Thequietone
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It might be the alcohol or the stacked audience, but I feel the nomination is either JEB! or Trump at this point.
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Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
You're letting the shill crowd influence you. Everything he said appealed to the fed up base.
They stacked that crowd and trump still went HAM. His numbers will only go up.
Basileus777
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Speaking to his already firm supporters while burning bridges with the rest of Republicans isn't exactly what a front runner should be doing. He looked flustered and out of control, and he gave his opponents a bunch of nice soundbites about things unpopular with most Republicans. This is the first debate I've watched and came out thinking Trump was hurt by it. The guy was set to steamroll SC, he would have been smarter to just play it safe.
Abinash117
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I don't think it is too hard win an exchange with Trump, it is that Republicans are just bad at it.
If anyone was in a debate with Trump, how would anyone stump him?
If anyone was in a debate with Trump, how would anyone stump him?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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This quote should go on Cruz's grave, holy fuck.
shinra-bansho
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Throw stump at him.
TheAwesomePossum
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I'm honestly wondering at this point if the '16 election cycle is possibly the most batshit insane one in US history.
You just have to be able to stay calm in the face of his bullshit and refute every point he makes. You gotta wear him down. It's sure as shit not easy to do, but it's probably the only way.
It reminds me of Stockholm Syndrome. You get abusive crazy non-stop, then one moment of humanity stands out as more influential simply because it's something good to cling to.
Speaking of which, noted nice guy Republican John Kasich who would totally be reasonable and not hard right wing because he said those nice things that one time is about to sign this anti-Planned Parenthood bill which would make Texas proud.
theprodigy
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I'm sure in 2020 we'll look back at 2016 and be like "ha you thought that was the craziest it could ever get".
shinra-bansho
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Kanye vs some YouTuber 2020.
Let's see how the exit polls in the primaries the next few weeks show minorities breaking. People will be very, very surprised, I think.
Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line.
Bingo.
I am absolutely not going to underestimate Trump's ability to chameleon himself, or even say "you know what, I hired some smart people who talked to me about this, and they said I was wrong for XYZ reason, and I listened, and I agreed." and immediately switch positions. Trump's deliberately making his move towards the center now to see if primary voters will handle it. If he still keeps winning, watch him move towards the center more and more.
I also am afraid of a race with HRC because he may know where some of the Clinton's bodies are buried, as it were. Clinton, like Trump, seems to have a low ceiling when it comes to people who like her (one of the big reasons Sanders is even standing a chance against her, IMO). While I'd want Clinton vs any of the other GOP candidates over Sanders, the Trump matchup is the one that specifically worries me.
Cruz might be the first candidate the RNC would refuse to work with if elected the candidate, lol.
Basileus777
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That sounds classier than what we're getting now.
eBay Huckster
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meanwhile on twitter
ItWasMeantToBe19
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The racist takeover of the GOP in 1964 involved a black delegate for the party having his suit set aflame so no.
But most batshit recently of the TV era? Maybe...
This falls under the answer HRC gave about race relations - it's not that it's the worst, but we just see a whole lot more of it due to technology.
Basileus777
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How have you missed this?
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Wait, THAT Grover Norquist?
Battle for the Planet of the Vapes.
TheAwesomePossum
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Hey, I haven't been lurking here as much recently. Did y'all talk about Gov. John Bel-Edwards cutting the TOPS government-paid college scholarship program in Louisiana a few days ago (obviously temporarily)? People went irate and were blaming JBE despite Jindal being the dude who put Louisiana in the shitty debt it's currently in.
Probably really minor in comparison to the general news cycle of the election but yeah.
Probably really minor in comparison to the general news cycle of the election but yeah.
You mean those electric cigarette things? That dumb-ass shit?
Fuck me, the sooner that goes away the better.
smokeandmirrors
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mouth fedoras
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I didn't think he was out of control in the least.
Basileus777
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It's not going away, it's become its own bizarre sub-culture.
Yea, but I hate it and it's dumbass subculture. Those assholes always blow their smoke everywhere, at least real smokers are nice enough to blow their smoke away from people.
The establishment republicans, the so called moderate conservatives (neocons) will never vote for Trump. To appeal to them he would have to become another candidate all together and risk Cruz taking his share. Not only that but he opens himself up for establishment puppets to bury him.
He's going to live or die by the fringe base, not moderate conservatives, establishment republicans. Lets dispel this fiction that Trump should move to the middle to win this primary. If this primary serves as any proof, it's the moderates moving hard right. The failure to totally embrace the fringe base hurts them - not to mention their resume's don't match. Cruz's got that going for him, unlike Jeb or Rubio.
Cesare Borgia
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I can't really read the Rubio/Cruz spat. This is the second time it has blown up in a debate, and last time neither seemed to be hurt; ultimately Cruz won Iowa and Rubio came in a strong third. Cruz seems like he'd have an advantage in South Carolina given his record and style, however Rubio isn't doing poorly so far in polling.
Cruz's ground game should get him into second place IMO. If Rubio comes in third again I fully expect another "comeback" narrative attempt by the media. They want him to do well.
Bush? Meh. I'd be stunned if he doesn't come in second to last.
Cruz's ground game should get him into second place IMO. If Rubio comes in third again I fully expect another "comeback" narrative attempt by the media. They want him to do well.
Bush? Meh. I'd be stunned if he doesn't come in second to last.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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One of Bloomberg's key pillars of his campaign will be banning vaping #voteBloomberg2016
Yeah perhaps not that but... unhinged. More than usual. He relentlessly attacked Cruz and Jeb. He looked really ignorant and allowed Marco Rubio to dust himself off a bit.
I really think he is starting to plant some populist seeds to try and allow for a potential third party run. The back and forth between Trump and some of the "crowd" that was really the RNC was legit. You could tell right away.
Saying nice things about Planned Parenthood in ANY way, even if you still decry abortion, during a Republican debate is just unheard of. Also, the way he trashed Bush and his handling of everything post-9/11 was right out of the DNC playbook circa 2004, 2006, and really 2008.
Rubio and Kasich won. Trump is a wildcard to me after this debate. The others were forgettable.
Jeb is really, really boring. He is just so blah about everything. It's like he's always on Xanax.
To simplify: He trashed Dubya, his handling of 9/11, and how Iraq fucked so many things up. He defended Planned Parenthood. He was extremely brash, more than I've ever seen him at times.
Yeah I always end up wondering if anything will stick to Teflon Don after every debate but I've pretty much given up on guessing.
I didn't think Dubya was popular in his own party. Is that not the case anymore?
Bam Bam Baklava
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What's crazy is that none of those things is the first time either.
Well overall he's not popular, but Republicans still like him well enough. And most Republicans still think war in Iraq was the right decision.
Abinash117
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That would only make him stronger.
I guess he is in South Carolina in a Republican primary? At least that's what CNN is telling me.
Saturday Night lagniappe!
From December 10, 1988, here's the first SNL sketch where Trump is played on-screen by one of the players:
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/trump-christmas-cold-opening/n9729
Trump & Ivana exchange Christmas presents!
From December 10, 1988, here's the first SNL sketch where Trump is played on-screen by one of the players:
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/trump-christmas-cold-opening/n9729
Trump & Ivana exchange Christmas presents!
ItWasMeantToBe19
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"I thank God it was GWB and not Al Gore in office on 9/11" has to be one of the most batshit lines ever uttered in a presidential debate. Can Republicans name a single good action GWB took in reaction to 9/11?
Tom whats wrong with TOPS? thought we're safe for this school year but next year possible cuts?
Not really, no. They're just trying to flank him from the right since South Carolina is up next.
I have nooooo clue. People are going nuts over him telling the truth of our situation. Watching the Jindal hangover is going to be scary. I could see JBE trying to act like an adult and then getting booted out of office come re-election time; the voters here seem like they want someone to tell them financial fairy tales..
disastermouse
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Speaking of which, does anyone remember the SNL skit that had the running gag of Texas governor candidates all arguing about how gruesome they'd make the death penalty in Texas?
Ducking that shoe throwing incident was a pretty neat action.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Yeah, that was pretty good. Nice reaction time and athleticism.
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