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Obama did not win 2008 over Hillary on policy issues or Senate voter history
he beat her because he was a reguarded as a generational change candidate over an old guard candidate
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he beat her because he was a reguarded as a generational change candidate over an old guard candidate
GregLombardi
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He beat her because he was an incredible orator and visionary. Bernie is neither of those things.
brainchild
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While some of you are sitting here cherry picking quotes from Killer Mike, we have here a powerful and inspiring speech that is sure to resonate with any black man who has lived this experience. Killer Mike KILLED that mic!
It's a damned shame that he was thrown under a bus after giving such a great speech. You'd have to be really out of touch to listen to those words of passion and conviction and take away from them that Killer Mike was being sexist.
neurosisxeno
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Democrats and people who lean Left don't hang their votes on Foreign Policy. The National Poll posted last page has it as a deciding factor for a single digit number of Democratic Voters. It was beaten by Economic Issues, Climate Policy, and Healthcare by a decent amount.
That... was a great speech actually.
Maybe? Obama as a sitting Senator right now in 2016 could have extra baggage that we can't know. I think the stars were aligned per se in 2008.
More than anything I'm disappointed that Democrats have no other viable candidate besides Hillary except for Sanders. The lack of grooming other candidates is just baffling to me. It's a colossial failure. They had many years to do this. Martin O'Malley, are you kidding me?
Bernie can turn people out in a caucus and primary but that doesn't imply that he will have the same turnout in the GE. Can you honestly see him successfully debating Rubio, Cruz or Trump?? They would tear him to shreds.
Really if Hillary can't win the nomination then the GE will be over before it starts. GOP wins. Sanders can't sell his proposals to the middle/on the fence voters. No way. His foreign policy sucks too which will hurt him dearly.
So FreeRepublic is beginning a small freakout over this little story..
Senate Staffer: McConnell Will Back Down Over SCOTUS Nomination
The bit (I won't even call it an "article," it's so short) centers on Reid's Deputy Chief of Staff tweeting..
As far as they see it, conservatives have been burned so often over the last decade by party leadership that they're ready to believe this right away. I wonder if we'll see any more backing-off/moderation from more GOP senators today..
Senate Staffer: McConnell Will Back Down Over SCOTUS Nomination
The bit (I won't even call it an "article," it's so short) centers on Reid's Deputy Chief of Staff tweeting..
As far as they see it, conservatives have been burned so often over the last decade by party leadership that they're ready to believe this right away. I wonder if we'll see any more backing-off/moderation from more GOP senators today..
B-b-but if she loses NV it's all over
Hyperventilating over polls, even outliers, in 2016 seems to carry more weight if it's at the right time opposed to an actual credible round of polling. That's wild. People believe every bit of info that comes along and it fucks up what was once the natural progression of things.
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-nevada-democratic-presidential-caucus
So, how is Sanders ahead in the "polling forecast" if he hasn't been ahead in a single poll?
So, how is Sanders ahead in the "polling forecast" if he hasn't been ahead in a single poll?
Ziltoidia 9
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It also takes place like at 11am apposed to being at night.
In Veep, there's a scene where Selina (the title character) is on a phone call about some matter that she had to give a response to as a presidential candidate (I think it was the president changing his position on abortion). She said, "I can't identify myself as a woman, people can't know that! Men hate that. And women who hate women hate that."
The overnight conversation in this thread shows that that is fucking true.
"My grandma doesn't like that Hillary's playing the gender card too much!" Yeah. I mean, Hillary Clinton is a woman. I can't imagine she has a male card to play.
"Her appeals are just hollow." Yeah. It's not like women have to work harder to be more appealing and more attractive, and in the end be spurned because the standards to judge them are higher, sure.
"Killer Mike was taken out of context, and he wasn't wrong!" Yeah. If a Republican had said that you would be screeching, but because Killer Mike said it and he's a Bernie supporter, well, it's true and he's right and there wasn't anything really offensive and Hillary is saying she's a woman too much anyway.
It has come to the point where it is, once again, Amy Schumer's Twelve Angry Men, only that it's not a bunch of men in a room deciding if a woman is hot enough to be on tv, but it's a bunch of men in a room deciding how much a woman is allowed to say she is a woman to be appealing.
Pretty goddamn sad.
The overnight conversation in this thread shows that that is fucking true.
"My grandma doesn't like that Hillary's playing the gender card too much!" Yeah. I mean, Hillary Clinton is a woman. I can't imagine she has a male card to play.
"Her appeals are just hollow." Yeah. It's not like women have to work harder to be more appealing and more attractive, and in the end be spurned because the standards to judge them are higher, sure.
"Killer Mike was taken out of context, and he wasn't wrong!" Yeah. If a Republican had said that you would be screeching, but because Killer Mike said it and he's a Bernie supporter, well, it's true and he's right and there wasn't anything really offensive and Hillary is saying she's a woman too much anyway.
It has come to the point where it is, once again, Amy Schumer's Twelve Angry Men, only that it's not a bunch of men in a room deciding if a woman is hot enough to be on tv, but it's a bunch of men in a room deciding how much a woman is allowed to say she is a woman to be appealing.
Pretty goddamn sad.
neurosisxeno
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Possible they are basing it on polling methodology. I didn't read into the Nevada methodology but I think they might still be relying heavily on landlines which is a mistake especially for Nevada which has a very... amorphous population.
EDIT: From the ORC poll;
I would think that polling may favor Sanders considering landlines are not as effective as they once were, and his most successful demographic almost exclusively uses Cell Phones. Should have done an even split for somewhere like Nevada. It's also worth noting Hillary has lost 2 points in NV since their October poll, and Sanders has gains 13--all of O'Malley's support and a few points off Clinton.
gutter_trash
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please don't quit Jeb!
Trump needs Jeb!
Trump needs Jeb!
Well stated.
Firstly the fact Hillary was known to be the front runner ever since vacating her SoS post has been in effect a negative for all other possible candidates looking to take part of the race. If Hills wasn't a factor I bet Elizabeth Warren runs and she garners a lot of the supports currently backing Sanders. I put the blame solely to the DNC it's pretty obvious to me it was discouraging for other potential candidates to run against the Clinton machine. You can see how quickly she garnered a lot of establishment support following her announcement - compared to any other primary in history where a non-VP throws his hat into the race.
Second of all I'd like to see how the hell you think Rubio, Cruz and Trump are going to beat Sanders - what are they going to insult him off stage while their pie in the sky solutions for real problems are glossed over by the moderators.
But keep on fear mongering, like I've repeated countless times the only way Republicans win the nomination is record low turnout in the GE by Dems and Independent leaning Dems. The youth will show up and it's up the rest of the democratic establishment to stand behind the nominee - if they fail to do that and give rise to Bloomberg than obviously there is a way for the Dems to lose this election. But Bernie won't be to blame in such a situation but rather the DNC and the fact they allowed themselves to go into an election divided out of FEAR.
But even if they are weighting one pollster over another, he can't be ahead in the aggregate because he's never been ahead in any single poll. Unless what you are saying is that Huffpost is going into individual polls and "unskewing" them, which would be crazy.
shinra-bansho
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Weird smoothing effect. Trend-line down, trend-line up. Disco sales skyrocket.
Veritigo_X
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I wanna tell you, I don't often agree with Marco and I don't often agree with Ted, but I get along with everybody, but I say this every night, every day, every afternoon and it's so true; Jeb is a mess, Jeb is a waste, Jeb is a big fat mess.
neurosisxeno
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Either that or it considers trends and extrapolates what they should be?
That is, like Jeb, a big fat mess.
neurosisxeno
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I don't deny that at all. I'm just trying to rationalize nonsense data.
The Presidential Race Is Finally Moving To States With Economic Problems
Expecting that Nevada and SC voters will care a lot more about the economy than foreign policy.
Expecting that Nevada and SC voters will care a lot more about the economy than foreign policy.
Macho Madness
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/1...f-the-damage-done.html?smid=tw-share&referer=
Trump has been a trash fire for the GOP.
disastermouse
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It's the trash fire they've deserved!
Whoo-hoo! Bonfire! Ignore the smell and drink up, I brought beer!
QuiteWhittle
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Interesting little interactive on the NYTimes:
Where the Senate Stands on Nominating Scalias Supreme Court Successor
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/17/upshot/scalia-supreme-court-senate-nomination.html
Where the Senate Stands on Nominating Scalias Supreme Court Successor
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/17/upshot/scalia-supreme-court-senate-nomination.html
Yoda
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The republican attacks aren't going to delineate where she is raising taxes.
Roland_Gunner
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But they'll totally explain how raising everyone's taxes to pay for single payer will be offset on your insurance, right?
Macho Madness
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Obama promised to raise taxes in 2008 on the rich, McCain constantly attacked him on it and it never worked.
Why wouldn't he? Jeb is a mistake. Jeb is a mess.
Snowman Prophet of Doom
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Except Hillary is not gaining traction with young women voters no matter how often she reminds them she is a woman, so I think it's fair to say it's not working for her and that it rings hollowly for a great many voters, not just men. I wouldn't be outraged by Donald Trump saying the same thing Killer Mike said because it's something I remember thinking eight years ago when the Hillary is 44 crowd were shitting their pants about her, and it's something I've thought from the moment she declared she was running and I knew, immediately, she would limply play the "I'm a woman" card early and often. I would love to have a woman president, but as with Obama, what makes that concept work electorally is letting it lie and simply being a terrific candidate so that history sort of unfolds itself, organically. Trying to force the issue to cover up a weak candidacy is naturally going to engender some backlash.
Edit: And I'd argue posts like this are exactly why people get tired of Hillary bringing up her gender: it insulates her from criticism by allowing her supporters to not too subtly imply inner hostility toward women if some roll their eyes at the strategy and find it pandering and forced.
Macho Madness
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Morning Trump discussing other candidates? I'm shocked.
neurosisxeno
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Lets see what they say;
Oh! You mean like how in 2012 they re-elected Obama despite your insistence that they didn't want Obamacare or support his plans? Stop changing the narrative you hacks.
You can confirm or deny, you are not supposed to do what Mitch McConnell is advocating which is never even vote on it.
And before that it happened on several occasions. The commonality of an event has no bearing in this situation.
What? If anything a lame duck president is the best time for someone to decide. If he had to face another election he might chose based on what will be the least consequential in an election year, rather than who is most qualified.
Because fuck what The Constitution says AM I RIGHT!?
I had to laugh at this one because this mother fucker lost an election as a REPUBLICAN in LOUISIANA. Despite the fact that he's human garbage I think the people of Louisiana have made it clear he should have no say on ANYTHING.
Sooooo ignoring entirely how adamantly Justice Scalia was a Constitutional Originalist for Political reasons. Why don't you just piss directly on his grave Ted Cruz?
I just love hearing reconfirmation that the landscape of the race is staying Trump-friendly longer and longer into the calendar. Gives me warm, fuzzy feelings.
cartoon_soldier
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He has Ohio 66 delegates locked. Not staying would be a bad move.
Yoda
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You're missing the point, Obama already gets called a socialist by the Republicans. Raising taxes is raising taxes in their eyes, they don't want the money spent on ANYTHING. The attack won't be any different regardless of who it's targeted at.
Macho Madness
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Well yes. Her message isn't resonating with millennial voters at a high level (and there's a lot of reasons for that), and her candidacy as a woman is not gaining a lot of traction as a result. I think if there were more love for her policies, things would change and people would be happier for her as possibly being the first woman president. I see a lot of "well yeah a woman president would be cool but that's not why I would vote for someone." I think that's also where a disconnect hits older voters, who've seen women struggle throughout their lives to gain any traction in the political world. They don't understand why young people don't care to see a woman president. I think there is something to that, women have broken a lot of barriers over the years where I think young people take a look and think "it's not a barrier anymore". Especially after Obama.
Black Republican
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brainchild
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What's amazing to me is how he started that speech talking about his altercation with secret service because he didn't like how they were treating a woman. How the fuck does one cast aside critical thinking and assume that he supported women yet denigrated them in the same breath?! It makes absolutely zero sense to me.
So infuriating.
Almost word for word the morons on the right say the same thing. The people should have say for when the elect a new people's president it will represent the people's desire of who the judge should be.
The people did have a say and they voted in Obama twice you fucks. They have spoken. The people have spoken. They wanted Obama 2x and compared to this crop of candidates, he would have easily been in a 3rd time if not for the 2 term limit. It is as if only this election will represent the people. As if the rules are new and this current President was awarded the presidency by some technicality.
Oh that and the 80 year precedent which has been proven false over and over.
Veritigo_X
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Macho Madness
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I think it just goes to show that you shouldn't use gender specific body parts to discuss your political opponent because otherwise the intent of your speech is out the window. You're undermining your message when you do it, no matter the intent.
Imagine if a woman at a Hillary rally gave an empassioned speech that was great if you were watching. But she also said "and you don't need a penis to be there president". What do you think the story is going to be?
Macho Madness
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Just a majority.
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