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[Eidan]

So infuriating.

Almost word for word the morons on the right say the same thing. The people should have say for when the elect a new people's president it will represent the people's desire of who the judge should be.

The people did have a say and they voted in Obama twice you fucks. They have spoken. The people have spoken. They wanted Obama 2x and compared to this crop of candidates, he would have easily been in a 3rd time if not for the 2 term limit. It is as if only this election will represent the people. As if the rules are new and this current President was awarded the presidency by some technicality.

Oh that and the 80 year precedent which has been proven false over and over.

It's infuriating. This idea that the American people elect a president to serve three years, and just dick around the last.

 

[brainchild]

I think it just goes to show that you shouldn't use gender specific body parts to discuss your political opponent because otherwise the intent of your speech is out the window. You're undermining your message when you do it, no matter the intent.

Imagine if a woman at a Hillary rally gave an empassioned speech that was great if you were watching. But she also said "and you don't need a penis to be there president". What do you think the story is going to be?

I don't care about people wanting to remain willfully ignorant. If Hillary (or anyone else) actually said that, not only would I not have a problem with it, I would 100% agree with her!

Body parts aren't some taboo phrase. Context is key.

 

[Jarmel]

Just a majority.

Then couldn't he just pick up four or five votes from moderate Republicans and push it through?

 

[Macho Madness]

Then couldn't he just pick up four or five votes from moderate Republicans and push it through?

The Senate Majority Leader has to call the vote. That's Mitch McConnell, who has said he's not interested in having a vote (as of right now).

I remember something that Underwood did as VP in an episode of House of Cards once where he called a vote but I don't remember how or what rule that is.

 

[Mac_Lane]

I wanna tell you, I don't often agree with Marco and I don't often agree with Ted, but I get along with everybody, but I say this every night, every day, every afternoon and it's so true; Jeb is a mess, Jeb is a waste, Jeb is a big fat mess.

Haha, totally read that in Trump's voice

 

[neurosisxeno]

The Senate Majority Leader has to call the vote. That's Mitch McConnell, who has said he's not interested in having a vote (as of right now).

I remember something that Underwood did as VP in an episode of House of Cards once where he called a vote but I don't remember how or what rule that is.

I think there's an archaic rule where the VP can force a vote to be called under certain circumstances. If I recall that was the episode where they basically locked certain members of the Senate in their offices and forced a vote or something like that.

 

[Macho Madness]

Let the Senate vote, have it go 50-50. Let Uncle Joe cast his only deciding vote as VP.

 

[Roland_Gunner]

You're missing the point, Obama already gets called a socialist by the Republicans. Raising taxes is raising taxes in their eyes, they don't want the money spent on ANYTHING. The attack won't be any different regardless of who it's targeted at.

I understand that Republicans will attack anyone the Dems nominate but you don't think it will work better if the candidate is actually proposing to raise taxes on everyone? Sanders has called himself a socialist so there is much less work they have to do to pain him as one.

 

[neurosisxeno]

Let the Senate vote, have it go 50-50. Let Uncle Joe cast his only deciding vote as VP.

Uncle Joe walks majestically out onto the Senate floor. He grabs the mic from atop his desk, and swings it swiftly up to his mouth.

"Yay."

With that word uttered, he extends his arm out--with the microphone in hand--directly in front of him, and opens his hand.

 

[Jarmel]

I just checked. Apparently you do need an actual 60 votes.

In 2013 Reid changed the Senate rules to override filibusters and confirm nominees by a simple majority — but left the Supreme Court hurdle untouched at 60.

Senators from both parties fought back an effort last year to lower the Supreme Court confirmation voting threshold to 51. Democrats balked at the possibility of facing easy confirmation of an anti-abortion justice under a Republican president, while Republicans wanted to protect an influential filibuster power from further degradation.

Reid fucked himself over as usual. Anyway the problem is getting the vote out of committee in which Grassley is pretty much putting his foot down and planning on vetoing everybody.

 

[QuiteWhittle]

Then couldn't he just pick up four or five votes from moderate Republicans and push it through?

Who would be the four votes? Kirk, Collins, Murkowski are easy to think of, who would be the last?

If the nominee is indeed Srinivasan then Orrin Hatch, after all that praise he gave him a couple years back, would look like a massive tool if he doesn't vote for him but when has that stopped a Republican?

 

[pigeon]

Then couldn't he just pick up four or five votes from moderate Republicans and push it through?

And then they would get primaried and die. Supreme Court appointments are literally once in a lifetime*. This is not the kind of vote that you cross the aisle on without express permission to do so.



* Amortized.

 

[HylianTom]

Uncle Joe walks majestically out onto the Senate floor. He grabs the mic from atop his desk, and swings it swiftly up to his mouth.

"Yay."

With that word uttered, he extends his arm out--with the microphone in hand--directly in front of him, and opens his hand.

We'd have to insist that there's a balloon drop at the ready for that key moment. And then fireworks outside for when he triumphantly walks out onto the Capitol steps.

 

[Jarmel]

Who would be the four votes? Kirk, Collins, Murkowski are easy to think of, who would be the last?

If the nominee is indeed Srinivasan then Orrin Hatch, after all that praise he gave him a couple years back, would look like a massive tool if he doesn't vote for him but when has that stopped a Republican?

They need 14. That pretty much demands someone like McConnell reversing his position. Yea this is going to get nasty.

 

[dramatis]

Except Hillary is not gaining traction with young women voters no matter how often she reminds them she is a woman, so I think it's fair to say it's not working for her and that it rings hollowly for a great many voters, not just men. I wouldn't be outraged by Donald Trump saying the same thing Killer Mike said because it's something I remember thinking eight years ago when the Hillary is 44 crowd were shitting their pants about her, and it's something I've thought from the moment she declared she was running and I knew, immediately, she would limply play the "I'm a woman" card early and often. I would love to have a woman president, but as with Obama, what makes that concept work electorally is letting it lie and simply being a terrific candidate so that history sort of unfolds itself, organically. Trying to force the issue to cover up a weak candidacy is naturally going to engender some backlash.

Edit: And I'd argue posts like this are exactly why people get tired of Hillary bringing up her gender: it insulates her from criticism by allowing her supporters to not too subtly imply inner hostility toward women if some roll their eyes at the strategy and find it pandering and forced.

The "she's not gaining traction with young women, therefore her appeal is bad" kind of like, I don't know, forgets that older women exist? That's how I feel whenever you decide to say that. As if older women don't exist when it comes to talking about appeal to women.

If anything I sense hostility towards the fact that a woman is able to use her experience and her gender to be a voice on women's issues. It's really fucking amazing how a woman's sharing of her experiences and appeals to those who might have experienced the same is considered pandering and forced. She's a goddamn woman! Who the hell are you to say that Hillary saying and promoting the fact that she is a woman is pandering and forced? What is she supposed to do? "I'm not that much of a woman, sorry"?

Your posts on this issue are by far the worst I've seen of this thread. Might I suggest you don't double down on your stupidity? Have you stood on the side of the women's perspective and asked yourself what you would think if a guy gets up on stage and says, "Well, this feminist said a uterus doesn't qualify you for the presidency, so it's ok for me as a man to totally talk about it in front of a huge crowd, and in fact specifically mention a female body part rather than generically saying 'woman', and it's completely ok and not sexist at all"?

We're not even talking about being president, he's literally talking about "qualifications". And guess what? Killer Mike and Jane Elliot are still wrong! Hillary Clinton has policies that are "reflective of social justice". She has backed it up with decades of charity, advocacy, and actions. If at this point Hillary Clinton doesn't qualify, it's like saying that a woman has to be EVERYTHING before she can even be qualified to be president. What woman in the world right now can compared to Hillary? What kind of goddamn standard do women have to live up to before they become "qualified" to be president?

That edit? Thanks for being a guy. Yeah, women, they complain, so they're annoying! We can talk about inequality all the time, it's very important! But women? Why the fuck are they making such a shit? Get in line with the selective group of women who agree with me!

 

[Spoiled Milk]

The "she's not gaining traction with young women, therefore her appeal is bad" kind of like, I don't know, forgets that older women exist? That's how I feel whenever you decide to say that. As if older women don't exist when it comes to talking about appeal to women.

If anything I sense hostility towards the fact that a woman is able to use her experience and her gender to be a voice on women's issues. It's really fucking amazing how a woman's sharing of her experiences and appeals to those who might have experienced the same is considered pandering and forced. She's a goddamn woman! Who the hell are you to say that Hillary saying and promoting the fact that she is a woman is pandering and forced? What is she supposed to do? "I'm not that much of a woman, sorry"?

Your posts on this issue are by far the worst I've seen of this thread. Might I suggest you don't double down on your stupidity? Have you stood on the side of the women's perspective and asked yourself what you would think if a guy gets up on stage and says, "Well, this feminist said a uterus doesn't qualify you for the presidency, so it's ok for me as a man to totally talk about it in front of a huge crowd, and in fact specifically mention a female body part rather than generically saying 'woman', and it's completely ok and not sexist at all"?

We're not even talking about being president, he's literally talking about "qualifications". And guess what? Killer Mike and Jane Elliot are still wrong! Hillary Clinton has policies that are "reflective of social justice". She has backed it up with decades of charity, advocacy, and actions. If at this point Hillary Clinton doesn't qualify, it's like saying that a woman has to be EVERYTHING before she can even be qualified to be president. What woman in the world right now can compared to Hillary? What kind of goddamn standard do women have to live up to before they become "qualified" to be president?

That edit? Thanks for being a guy. Yeah, women, they complain, so they're annoying! We can talk about inequality all the time, it's very important! But women? Why the fuck are they making such a shit? Get in line with the selective group of women who agree with me!

Boom.

Hillary can say she's a woman, and she should, and if other women appreciate that, that's a good thing, not a bad one.

 

[PBY]

2) 2016 Nevada Republican Presidential Caucus
Asked of 245 likely voters - republican
Jeb Bush (R) 1%
Ben Carson (R) 7%
Ted Cruz (R) 17%
John Kasich (R) 5%
Marco Rubio (R) 19%
Donald Trump (R) 45%


Have we discussed this CNN poll?

45 for Trump holy shit.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

2) 2016 Nevada Republican Presidential Caucus
Asked of 245 likely voters - republican
Jeb Bush (R) 1%
Ben Carson (R) 7%
Ted Cruz (R) 17%
John Kasich (R) 5%
Marco Rubio (R) 19%
Donald Trump (R) 45%


Have we discussed this CNN poll?

45 for Trump holy shit.

Nevada Republicans are the most conservative in America and it's a caucus so if Cruz loses Nevada, it's pretty much over for him.

 

[Macho Madness]

2) 2016 Nevada Republican Presidential Caucus
Asked of 245 likely voters - republican
Jeb Bush (R) 1%
Ben Carson (R) 7%
Ted Cruz (R) 17%
John Kasich (R) 5%
Marco Rubio (R) 19%
Donald Trump (R) 45%


Have we discussed this CNN poll?

45 for Trump holy shit.

Yep. Marco is probably getting any of the hispanic support there.

 

[brainchild]

The "she's not gaining traction with young women, therefore her appeal is bad" kind of like, I don't know, forgets that older women exist? That's how I feel whenever you decide to say that. As if older women don't exist when it comes to talking about appeal to women.

If anything I sense hostility towards the fact that a woman is able to use her experience and her gender to be a voice on women's issues. It's really fucking amazing how a woman's sharing of her experiences and appeals to those who might have experienced the same is considered pandering and forced. She's a goddamn woman! Who the hell are you to say that Hillary saying and promoting the fact that she is a woman is pandering and forced? What is she supposed to do? "I'm not that much of a woman, sorry"?

Your posts on this issue are by far the worst I've seen of this thread. Might I suggest you don't double down on your stupidity? Have you stood on the side of the women's perspective and asked yourself what you would think if a guy gets up on stage and says, "Well, this feminist said a uterus doesn't qualify you for the presidency, so it's ok for me as a man to totally talk about it in front of a huge crowd, and in fact specifically mention a female body part rather than generically saying 'woman', and it's completely ok and not sexist at all"?

We're not even talking about being president, he's literally talking about "qualifications". And guess what? Killer Mike and Jane Elliot are still wrong! Hillary Clinton has policies that are "reflective of social justice". She has backed it up with decades of charity, advocacy, and actions. If at this point Hillary Clinton doesn't qualify, it's like saying that a woman has to be EVERYTHING before she can even be qualified to be president. What woman in the world right now can compared to Hillary? What kind of goddamn standard do women have to live up to before they become "qualified" to be president?

That edit? Thanks for being a guy. Yeah, women, they complain, so they're annoying! We can talk about inequality all the time, it's very important! But women? Why the fuck are they making such a shit? Get in line with the selective group of women who agree with me!

Killer Mike is not wrong in what he suggested; having a uterus does NOT automatically qualify you for president of the United States. This isn't even debatable, it's a fact.

Now, you can argue that she does qualify based on her own merits and policies, but that isn't what Killer Mike was talking about. Furthermore, he specifically laid out his criteria for qualification, and Hillary doesn't fit it, in his opinion. Simple as that.

But we're gonna nip this in the bud right now and shut down your bullshit argument: Elizabeth Warren--A WOMAN--would be qualified to be our president under Killer Mike's criteria, HANDS DOWN. So stop making this about some imaginary attack on Hillary just because she's a woman. There are other women than Hillary that certain people would feel would be more qualified than Hillary to be president. That's their opinion and you shouldn't misrepresent their opinion by telling them that they're only saying that because she's a woman.

 

[thefro]

The Senate Majority Leader has to call the vote. That's Mitch McConnell, who has said he's not interested in having a vote (as of right now).

I remember something that Underwood did as VP in an episode of House of Cards once where he called a vote but I don't remember how or what rule that is.

Reid can appeal to Biden saying a rule is a constitutional question and that they can change that by majority vote of the Senators present in the chamber. So you could change a rule so that 40 Senators can bring something to the floor for a vote, but you'd need some Republican Senators to vote for that, or for there to be enough Republican Senators gone so that Dems are the majority at the moment.

 

[NeoXChaos]

 

[Macho Madness]

They did sample non-whites, right?

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

The "she's not gaining traction with young women, therefore her appeal is bad" kind of like, I don't know, forgets that older women exist? That's how I feel whenever you decide to say that. As if older women don't exist when it comes to talking about appeal to women.

If anything I sense hostility towards the fact that a woman is able to use her experience and her gender to be a voice on women's issues. It's really fucking amazing how a woman's sharing of her experiences and appeals to those who might have experienced the same is considered pandering and forced. She's a goddamn woman! Who the hell are you to say that Hillary saying and promoting the fact that she is a woman is pandering and forced? What is she supposed to do? "I'm not that much of a woman, sorry"?

Your posts on this issue are by far the worst I've seen of this thread. Might I suggest you don't double down on your stupidity? Have you stood on the side of the women's perspective and asked yourself what you would think if a guy gets up on stage and says, "Well, this feminist said a uterus doesn't qualify you for the presidency, so it's ok for me as a man to totally talk about it in front of a huge crowd, and in fact specifically mention a female body part rather than generically saying 'woman', and it's completely ok and not sexist at all"?

We're not even talking about being president, he's literally talking about "qualifications". And guess what? Killer Mike and Jane Elliot are still wrong! Hillary Clinton has policies that are "reflective of social justice". She has backed it up with decades of charity, advocacy, and actions. If at this point Hillary Clinton doesn't qualify, it's like saying that a woman has to be EVERYTHING before she can even be qualified to be president. What woman in the world right now can compared to Hillary? What kind of goddamn standard do women have to live up to before they become "qualified" to be president?

That edit? Thanks for being a guy. Yeah, women, they complain, so they're annoying! We can talk about inequality all the time, it's very important! But women? Why the fuck are they making such a shit? Get in line with the selective group of women who agree with me!

And your post are by far the most generic, elitist liberal sanctimony in this thread, so congratulations, we each think the other is wrong. Hillary is a bad candidate, by any metric, and probably the worst case scenario for a first woman president, from a historical perspective, barring some right-wing nut like a Sarah Palin.

 

[Poodlestrike]

They did sample non-whites, right?

I mean, I'm not 100% sure on where that came from, but if the point is to see what white voters think on each candidate that wouldn't really be relevant here?

 

[Jarmel]

Reid can appeal to Biden saying a rule is a constitutional question and that they can change that by majority vote of the Senators present in the chamber. So you could change a rule so that 40 Senators can bring something to the floor for a vote, but you'd need some Republican Senators to vote for that, or for there to be enough Republican Senators gone so that Dems are the majority at the moment.

My understanding is that the nominee would still have to get a hearing which Grassley was against, although he's now backtracking. They would also still need 60 votes which if they pulled something like that, would make it impossible to get.

 

[brainchild]

And your post are by far the most generic, elitist liberal sanctimony in this thread, so congratulations, we each think the other is wrong.

I actually found his post offensive. As if anyone who felt that Hillary wasn't qualified to be president (and gave they reasoning for saying so) is automatically sexist.

In Killer Mike's case it's even more ridiculous because his criteria was for ALL THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES, NOT just Hillary Clinton.

 

[Cesare Borgia]

Nevada Republicans are the most conservative in America and it's a caucus so if Cruz loses Nevada, it's pretty much over for him.

Why? Cruz has more than enough money to survive. He's waiting for this to become jus him vs Trump, after everyone else drops out. Dunno if the other candidates will oblige but it's an interesting idea at least. If it's a choice between a right wing conservative and Trump, what will republicans do.

 

[Holmes]

So sayeth the polling firm that had Sanders winning Iowa by 8 and New Hampshire by 26. There's a Sanders bias in CNN'S polling. And winning whites by 2 and only leading by 1....

 

[Y2Kev]

JEB is A MESS

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

PPP Super Tuesday polling:

Why? Cruz has more than enough money to survive. He's waiting for this to become jus him vs Trump, after everyone else drops out. Dunno if the other candidates will oblige but it's an interesting idea at least. If it's a choice between a right wing conservative and Trump, what will republicans do.

If he can't win here, where can he win outside of Iowa? The field will never narrow to just him and Trump either since the establishment will probably force Rubio or Jeb to stay in the race.

 

[FloydtheFathead]

PPP Super Tuesday polling:

Damn.. That is tough sledding for Bernie.

 

[Jarmel]

JEB is A MESS

I honestly don't see what his game is at this point. He's done pretty much everything in the books and nothing has helped his poll numbers. When does he think he can make a comeback? In the midwest? Even Kasich has better traction than him.

So why is he sticking around at this point? To become the butt of more of Trump's jokes?

 

[Black Republican]

PPP Super Tuesday polling:

If he can't win here, where can he win outside of Iowa? The field will never narrow to just him and Trump either since the establishment will probably force Rubio or Jeb to stay in the race.

Did Hillary pay for this?


seriously, if that holds, very worring for team Sanders

Oklahoma is an interesting state to watch, dont know much about the demographics

On the other chart the black Vote locked up like a motherfucker here:

Arkansas

74%

12%

Clinton +62

 

[cartoon_soldier]

PPP Super Tuesday polling:

 

[Drakeon]

PPP Super Tuesday polling:

If he can't win here, where can he win outside of Iowa? The field will never narrow to just him and Trump either since the establishment will probably force Rubio or Jeb to stay in the race.

No Minnesota or Colorado? I know they're caucuses, but still. Although that looks really bad, although about what I expected, for Bernie. MA, MN, CO and VT are the only ones hes got a good shot at (and, surprisingly, apparently OK).

 

[Macho Madness]

Maddow said his campaign told her they would "be competitive" in Massachussetts and Vermont. They're not very confident of their chances elsewhere, despite having possibly better ground game in the primary states.

 

[Teggy]

Well, I will certainly admit that MA number is shocking. I have no idea how it could have turned around that way so fast.

 

[NeoXChaos]

you guys told me MA was an establishment state. Looks like the NH results are bleeding into MA.

PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls 7m7 minutes ago
Clinton lead with blacks: 67/22 AL, 74/12 AR, 70/14 GA, 72/15 LA, 71/19 MI, 66/19 MS, 74/15 TN, 63/23 TX, 74/16 VA:

brutal.

 

[HylianTom]

Kornacki said that this polling reminds him of when Bill pulled away from Tsongas in the 1992 race - it's like he read my mind.

Speaking of, here's my favorite senator playing Tsongas..

 

[User1608]

Damn, MA feeling the Bern. For what it's worth my little bro totally loves Bernie. The other one doesn't give a crap and is still on Team Hillary. Just sharing a little family anecdote.

 

[Y2Kev]

Probably al Harvard Bernie bros. you'll recal a few years ago their president who became an Obama scammer said women are dumb.

Also Jeb is a big mistake.

 

[Holmes]

You know, I hate to say this. But Oklahoma is terrible. In 2012, they gave Obama only about 60% of the vote in the Democratic primary. He was an incumbent president running in his party's primary and his opponents were losers, but he still only got 60%. I tried to make myself believe it was ideology. But now seeing these PPP numbers, I'm not gonna fool myself. Oklahoma is racist.

 

[brainchild]

No Minnesota or Colorado? I know they're caucuses, but still. Although that looks really bad, although about what I expected, for Bernie. MA, MN, CO and VT are the only ones hes got a good shot at (and, surprisingly, apparently OK).

Bernie's not losing MN, I can tell you that. People are on fire for him up here.

Maddow said his campaign told her they would "be competitive" in Massachussetts and Vermont. They're not very confident of their chances elsewhere, despite having possibly better ground game in the primary states.

And then she turned around and suggested that his campaign might just be playing coy

https://youtu.be/_17o4Sg136E


Apparently, aside from Georgia, Bernie's ground game is better than Hillary's at this point.

 

[Roland_Gunner]

I actually found his post offensive. As if anyone who felt that Hillary wasn't qualified to be president (and gave they reasoning for saying so) is automatically sexist.

In Killer Mike's case it's even more ridiculous because his criteria was for ALL THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES, NOT just Hillary Clinton.

Yes, under Killer Mike's criteria, if Donald Trump or Marco Rubio had a uterus that would also not automatically qualify them to be President. How very generous of him. I'm sure we can all agree that Mike was just listing out all of things that don't automatically make you President. Surely he also stated that just being white, or gay, or having a learning disability doesn't mean you get to be President? Oh he didn't? No he went after the only woman running for the office but couldn't attack her qualifications so instead he brought up her anatomy.

 

[Teggy]

So close....

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/obama-job-approval

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

The amount of time that Republicans are spending complaining about Trump's vulgarity after railing against "political correctness" sure is something.

Words: They can't hurt people of color or women or LGBT people, but they can hurt WASPs! (even if it's something like 'shit').

Maybe minorities are just much tougher people in the view of Republicans than those pathetic white Christians? lol.

 

[Eidan]

JEB is A MESS

Jeb is a MISTAKE.

 

[Y2Kev]

Jeb is a MISTAKE.

Jeb is a huge fat mess.

 

[NeoXChaos]