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PoliGAF 2016 |OT| Ask us about our performance with Latinos in Nevada
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How does it take this long to count?! Caucuses are awful.
This makes me so happy but let's see what happens when it's 100%.
I really think, given her Clark County numbers and numbers elsewhere and the precincts she won, that she lost Hispanics/Latinos. Nate Cohn has been going in on the Hispanic/Latino majority precincts and they skew Clinton by 20~ points.
shinra-bansho
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So much power, Ivy. Will it corrupt you like HRC.
Hmm. Alternate reality. What would the outcome have looked like if the mess packed it up earlier?
Hmm. Alternate reality. What would the outcome have looked like if the mess packed it up earlier?
Mitt might have jumped in.
So, thinking on what tonight means.
For the GOP, I remain completely skeptical of Rubiomentum. I mean, I get the argument. Trump has to compete with Cruz and Carson in the south, Rubio benefits from further consolidation, sure. But, I still don't see Rubio getting anything on Super Tuesday, and if Rubio has to wait until mid March or April to start getting wins, people are going to be ready to wrap shit up. Even then, I just can't imagine Rubio competing head to head against Trump in New England. Trump's appeal is just too broad, and he's the only candidate capable of racking up wins everywhere. I've been a firm believer in the convention fight, but even that's not going to happen unless Cruz suddenly gets his shit together.
But beyond the calendar and the geography of Trump's support...I just don't believe in Rubio. He's just a lousy, empty, immature politician. Christie made eviscerating him look effortless. He's not going to withstand Trump's attacks when then come, but again this isn't even about Trump. It's just hard to take seriously anyone who is essentially just "winning" by default.
For the Democrats, I look forward to the rest of the coronation. It's going to be a beautiful coronation.
For the GOP, I remain completely skeptical of Rubiomentum. I mean, I get the argument. Trump has to compete with Cruz and Carson in the south, Rubio benefits from further consolidation, sure. But, I still don't see Rubio getting anything on Super Tuesday, and if Rubio has to wait until mid March or April to start getting wins, people are going to be ready to wrap shit up. Even then, I just can't imagine Rubio competing head to head against Trump in New England. Trump's appeal is just too broad, and he's the only candidate capable of racking up wins everywhere. I've been a firm believer in the convention fight, but even that's not going to happen unless Cruz suddenly gets his shit together.
But beyond the calendar and the geography of Trump's support...I just don't believe in Rubio. He's just a lousy, empty, immature politician. Christie made eviscerating him look effortless. He's not going to withstand Trump's attacks when then come, but again this isn't even about Trump. It's just hard to take seriously anyone who is essentially just "winning" by default.
For the Democrats, I look forward to the rest of the coronation. It's going to be a beautiful coronation.
They should have all collectively condemned Trump's racist bullshit immediately instead of trying to pander to his supporters.
I feel like he is completely ignoring the minority voting power.
What the fuck is this meme? I've seen it everywhere and have no idea what it's referencing.
Suikoguy
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It's a copy of Kanye's absolutely terrible album cover of his new album.
neurosisxeno
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If I remember correctly from Iowa, isn't it more that they already counted but for some reason the DNC cannot get ahold of the people who have the results or something equally as stupid? There's no way it takes 9 hours to count a room full of people.
Mitt is too smart for that shit. He sees the writing on the wall, the radicalized base wants blood and hubris (with a side of fries).
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Hmm, should Cruz being trying to negotiate with Trump and Rubio over who gets his endorsement? The delegate math is brutal... Is there any way for Cruz to get people to change the fact that the winner take all states for the Republican primary are mostly moderate states (where he gets fucked up)? What influence could nominee Trump or Rubio have in that scenario?
lol that was the video my husband was watching. "Maybe it's the mood I'm in" no shit. Clinton's numbers are sooo bad and Sanders is so amazing that he can't even win a caucus.
Well we're ignored all the time until we're exploited implicitly, so what's one more to add to the list?
Cenk tears are the second most nourishing substance known to man, a short second to Republican tears.
Cenk, it's going to be a beautiful coronation.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I can't imagine Cruz endorsing anyone but Trump.
A lot of things are being completely ignored in that video.
Basileus777
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Are you talking about negotiating changes in the nomination process for future years? Neither Trump nor Rubio can make that happen.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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That's what I was talking about....
Hmm, can't assume the radical wing of the GOP is going to keep being happy about how bad the delegate math is for hardcore fuckers... wonder how they'll put political pressure on the RNC.
If anything, the RNC will be trying to make things harder for radicals. They've clearly lost control of the crazies.
Basileus777
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Rule changes wouldn't really help Cruz. If the southern states were winner take all that'd benefit Trump as Cruz trails him in every state other than Texas. Cruz is a regional candidate who isn't even the top candidate in his strongest areas. Hell, he's not even a firm 2nd place in those areas as we witnessed in SC.
User 463088
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I read somewhere that Bernie spent $34 million in January after raising $21 million, leaving him with $14.5 million cash on hand. If that's true, I think his goal was spend what we have to in Nevada, pay the momentum helps us not lose by 25 in SC and raise a shit ton more. I'm not sure after next Tuesday how he gets more money. I think his goal was ride the momentum narrative through his hellish March. Not sure he can do that now. Going into Super Tuesday he's 1 and 3. Not a great look for an insurgent candidate.
Bam Bam Baklava
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If Ted Cruz can't make friends, how is he so well funded?
neurosisxeno
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People who hate him but respect his mutual love for our lord and savior.
I think Bernie's campaign were trying to avoid the 123 blow of Nevada, South Carolina and Super Tuesday yeah. Looking again at the schedule I see why they were doing this.
After Super Tuesday its Kansas, Louisiana, Nebraska. It's a while until Bernie is likely to get another day where media can say he "won".
After Super Tuesday its Kansas, Louisiana, Nebraska. It's a while until Bernie is likely to get another day where media can say he "won".
gutter_trash
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after listening to his speech tonight (almost never mentioning South Carolina), he is setting his sights on Super Tuesday states and conceding SC
I think he will focus on Minnesota, Massachusetts and other states that are more favorable to him and ignore the Southern states below the Mason-Dixon line.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Kasich.
Yeah I mean the kinds of wins he'd need in those states to offset say, Texas or Georgia are probably not going to happen.
gutter_trash
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AKA whiter States
Sanders skipping South Carolina is an admission that he has lost the South.
that is bad optics, especially among African-American Democrats
RastaMentality
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Hm. I was saying Bernie would get a fundraising spike regardless if he loses or wins but now I'm not too sure.
BoboBrazil
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Kasich is going to be getting a ton of pressure from the RNC to drop out.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...is-big-oil-s-new-crush-as-donors-cool-to-bush
Even if he manages to piss off people around him his job will ultimately be to cut taxes and deregulate, which he's just as capable of doing as Rubio.
It's probably not amazing in that respect if he appears to have given up there.
cartoon_soldier
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Rubio arghhhhh
Clinton lead at 6 now.
Clinton lead at 6 now.
Well, he's still in race yes but I don't think he's a viable candidate a this point.
Has this been discussed?
I hope this isn't true or isn't indicative of any segment of Bernie's supporters.
Officerrob
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I'm seeing a lot of depressed Bernie fans
Basileus777
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He doesn't need to be to affect the race. He'll draw a large portion of Jeb's support and continue to crowd the establishment lane. And since his base is in the midwest, he has little reason to drop out before March 8th.
This is my favorite thing from Fox News since Obama was re-elected:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
😂😂😂😂
cartoon_soldier
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Pretty good company
It's been verified by a few other witnesses that were there.
I wouldn't hold it against all his supporters there, but when people just want to win, they'll do anything.
Yes it's discussed. And yes it's true. It's coming from known people, not randos.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolores_Huerta
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_Ferrera
Nobody is going to blame Bernie, but it's not a good look when you are struggling with minorities already.
User 463088
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He's stuck in that he cannot pretend to ignore SC. There's no way in hell he can survive that. If we want to go with the idea he still has a chance to win this, even though Hillary is over performing her required numbers, he cannot be seen as writing off the AA and non-white vote. That would be an admission that his only strengthen is with whit liberals. I feel he has to stay in SC, at least superficially through the end of the week. Winning the handful of white rich States on Super Tuesday is not going to cut it. A win of a few points here or there is not going to help him survive a 20 point loss in Texas and Georgia. Texas is 222 delegates. I think the writings on the wall but it will only be legible if Hillary's Super Tuesday numbers hold. The AA breakdown in Nevada shoes us if should and that she can get her minority viewers out at comparable numbers this year.
Also I read a few tweets that all but confirm there little chance Bernie won the Latino vote by 8. In the 22 heavier Latino districts in Clark, she won at least 60% of the delegates. Unless his Latino support is entirely regional, she won then too. Which means she won women, AAs, Union households, seniors, Latinos and close to half of the liberal vote. I think Bernie did better among whites than the early entrance polls. We know he ran away with the under 45s but he's not bringing them or anywhere close to the levels he needed to.
Also I read a few tweets that all but confirm there little chance Bernie won the Latino vote by 8. In the 22 heavier Latino districts in Clark, she won at least 60% of the delegates. Unless his Latino support is entirely regional, she won then too. Which means she won women, AAs, Union households, seniors, Latinos and close to half of the liberal vote. I think Bernie did better among whites than the early entrance polls. We know he ran away with the under 45s but he's not bringing them or anywhere close to the levels he needed to.
GregLombardi
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Are we even sure these were Bernie supporters and not Republicans that crossed over? This is simply mind boggling and I do not believe true Bernie supporters would ever, ever say such a thing. I can't believe it, because even though I disagree with Bernie supporters that would imply the chasm is much wider between they and I.
No I wouldn't say this cast a shadow on all his supporters. But it is bad nonetheless. It concerns me when people talk about an overlap between Bernie's and Trump's supporters. This feels like that.
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