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PoliGAF 2016 |OT| Ask us about our performance with Latinos in Nevada

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He's in a death race for 4th place in that poll. That seems bad.

It won't take much for him to go from 3rd to 5th. Optics will screw him up. I was afraid of Rubio but after the debate on Sat, I actively want him to win the nomination. He'll get destroyed by either D candidate
 

Overlee

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http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-staff-shakeup-218955

Seriously Clinton. Stop listening to Bluementhal, Terry, Penn and all those fucks. Work with your team. What the fuck, don't repeat the same mistakes as 2008. There former Obama guys want you to win because you can only cement Obama's legacy, fucking trust them.

You guys have commented on the strategy aspects of this but what I found most interesting was this bit:

But from the beginning, there have been deeper issues simmering within the cheerfully-decorated Brooklyn headquarters -- and much of that had to do with a disconnect between the candidate and her campaign. Over the summer while her campaign was bogged down in the email controversy, Clinton was deeply frustrated with her own staff, and vice versa. The candidate blamed her team for not getting her out of the mess quickly, and her team blamed Clinton for being stubbornly unwilling to take the advice of campaign chairman John Podesta and others to apologize, turn over her server, and move on. The entire experience made her a deeply vulnerable frontrunner out of the gate, and underscored a lack of trust between Clinton and her operatives, many of whom were former Obama staffers that she didn't consider part of her inner circle of trust.

Got me thinking about that last Town Hall where the Rabbi asked her about balancing ego with humility:

“Every person has to have two pockets and in each pocket they have to carry a different note,” Spira-Savett said, quoting Bunim. “And the note in one pocket says the universe was created for me. And in the other pocket the note says I am just dust and ashes.”

“How do you cultivate the ego, the ego that we all know you must have, a person must have to be the leader of the free world, and also the humility to recognize that we know that you can’t be expected to be wise about all the things that the president has to be responsible for?”


In which she responded:
“Be grateful for your limitations,” she said. “Know that you have to reach out to have more people be with you, to support you, to advise you, listen to your critics, answer the questions.”


So if she does decide to turn over her staff, criticize female voters and continue to deflect questions on Wall. St, is she really balancing her ego with humility? I believe there's always the option to grow your soul but I don't know if there's always time. At least not while under constant scrutiny of the public eye during a Presidential Campaign.

Will be interesting to see how her campaign plays out.
 
In the eyes of the nordic countries, Hillary is a super conservative or a right-winger and Bernie is a centre-left-ish, maybe more centre-right-ish.

That's how far right US is.

Every single person Ive talked to in Noway supports Sanders, even the right-wingers.

Hillary is way better than a republican, but Hillary is too right-winged for my tastes.

So in the eyes of nordic countries, Hillary is not a progressive at all. So when people are talking about how progressive Hillary is I really hope it's just in the eyes of America.

I would say Sanders is pretty left while Hillary is center leaning right. I drew a quick diagram of how the US sees it:

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B-Dubs

No Scrubs
I would say Sanders is pretty left while Hillary is center leaning right. I drew a quick diagram of how the US sees it:

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That is not even close to how the US sees it. You do realize that she has a more liberal senate record than Obama right? That her and Bernie voted exactly the same way 93% of the time?
 

fantomena

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So tell us what you know about the American primary battlefields, the American general election swing states, and the American population and political center.

I don't know shit.

And as fa as Im concerned, the thread is called "PoliGAF" which is is shortened for "PoliticsGAF" which I see in my point of view as a thread you can discuss politics in general and not just American politics.

Norway is a country you know. Same with Denmark. It is possible to compare politics between countries.
 
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I don't know shit.

And as fa as Im concerned, the thread is called "PoliGAF" which is is shortened for "PoliticsGAF" which I see in my point of view as a thread you can discuss politics in general nad not just AMerican politics.

Norway is a country you know. Same with Denmark. It is possible to compare politics between countries.

Most countries/regions have their own PoliThread - I've seen UKPoligaf, AusPoligaf, CanadaPoligaf, and Germany Poligaf at various different points. This one probably should be called USPoligaf for consistencies' sake, but it's not a general political thread. Which region do you want to discuss?
 
Bill: " I'm the only president to expand the middle class and reserve the effect of trickle down in the last 40 years. (Bernie sanders even highlighted this in one of his YouTube videos) Both Supreme Court justices I and president Obama appointed voted against Citizens United and the ones Hillary appoints will work to over turn it".

I think that comes off as better than deflecting Sanders supporters saying they aren't informed and it's unrealistic to ask for the things they want. Make the case of why they have been there before and how they've always focused on the economy and worked against trickle down rather than turning this into the "no we can't" campaign.
 

PBY

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Most countries/regions have their own PoliThread - I've seen UKPoligaf, AusPoligaf, CanadaPoligaf, and Germany Poligaf at various different points. This one probably should be called USPoligaf for consistencies' sake, but it's not a general political thread. Which region do you want to discuss?

Wait Bernie Sanders isn't running for president of Sweden?!
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I would say Sanders is pretty left while Hillary is center leaning right. I drew a quick diagram of how the US sees it:

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Finally noticed you had Trump to the left of Hillary. :lol :lol :lol

2016 New Hampshire Republican Presidential Primary - Trump 28%, Kasich 17% (Gravis Marketing/One America News 2/7)

1) 2016 New Hampshire Republican Presidential Primary
Asked of 705 likely voters - republican
Jeb Bush (R) 14%
Ben Carson (R) 3%
Chris Christie (R) 6%
Ted Cruz (R) 11%
Carly Fiorina (R) 5%
John Kasich (R) 17%
Rand Paul (R) 1%
Marco Rubio (R) 15%
Rick Santorum (R) 1%
Donald Trump (R) 28%

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Excellent. EXCELLENT. Rubio in 3rd or lower would be so amazing. I still think he squeaks out 2nd, but it won't matter.
 

PBY

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Finally noticed you had Trump to the left of Hillary. :lol :lol :lol



Excellent. EXCELLENT. Rubio in 3rd or lower would be so amazing. I still think he squeaks out 2nd, but it won't matter.

Don't love Trump under 30. But still, yeah.
 
I don't know shit.

And as fa as Im concerned, the thread is called "PoliGAF" which is is shortened for "PoliticsGAF" which I see in my point of view as a thread you can discuss politics in general and not just American politics.

Norway is a country you know. Same with Denmark. It is possible to compare politics between countries.

Of course we can compare politics between countries, but that's often like comparing apples to airplanes. Hillary is a progressive within the political psyche of the country she wants to lead. While I prefer that other nations aren't embarrassed by us a la Bush, we have to judge candidates based on electability within our country.
 
Most countries/regions have their own PoliThread - I've seen UKPoligaf, AusPoligaf, CanadaPoligaf, and Germany Poligaf at various different points. This one probably should be called USPoligaf for consistencies' sake, but it's not a general political thread. Which region do you want to discuss?

This is true. Saying Norway sees Hillary as right wing is in many purposes irrelevant and pointless as this thread is dominated by Americans and 99% about American politics. In this case about how Hillary is a progressive or not, it matters little to what Norway thinks. People are talking about it in the US sense.
 

fantomena

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Most countries/regions have their own PoliThread - I've seen UKPoligaf, AusPoligaf, CanadaPoligaf, and Germany Poligaf at various different points. This one probably should be called USPoligaf for consistencies' sake, but it's not a general political thread. Which region do you want to discuss?

If this is US politics thread, then why the hell not call it that?

I want to discuss general politics, not region based.
 

Makai

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If this is US politics thread, then why the hell not call it that?

I want to discuss general politics, not region based.
They just meant that the labels we apply to politicians have national context. Hillary is a progressive in the American context.
 
Rubio is repeating his line on msnbc AGAIN. Just changed Obama "he knows what he's doing" to "it's not an accident", when asked about why he repeated himself during the debate.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
I'm curious about how much trouble Cruz got in for telling his staff to spread misinformation about Carson dropping out.

It's not like everyone who knows Cruz could hate him more than they already do.

EDIT: I'm probably even more disgusted by the check thing he's doing now, that's some seriously nasty shit.
 

Iolo

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2016 New Hampshire Republican Presidential Primary - Trump 28%, Kasich 17% (Gravis Marketing/One America News 2/7)

1) 2016 New Hampshire Republican Presidential Primary
Asked of 705 likely voters - republican
Jeb Bush (R) 14%
Ben Carson (R) 3%
Chris Christie (R) 6%
Ted Cruz (R) 11%
Carly Fiorina (R) 5%
John Kasich (R) 17%
Rand Paul (R) 1%
Marco Rubio (R) 15%
Rick Santorum (R) 1%
Donald Trump (R) 28%

That's oddly similar to the internal Kasich SuperPAC poll from earlier. I wonder if that was done by Gravis as well.
 
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Why are we giving Gravis any credence? Have you seen how badly they did in Iowa, on both sides of the aisle?
 
Am I going crazy or did another campaign do that same "check enclosed" trick as Cruz? I swear I remember something like that happening.
 

Iolo

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I don't think anyone would willingly or knowingly hire Gravis to do anything. Although, it's Kasich, so maybe?

It's a poll commissioned by a SuperPAC. They may have commissioned several polls, and leaked the one that looked the best for their candidate.
 
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I'm partial to GeoPoliGaf

iirc there's like... five peeps interested in that, tops. Legit poli junkies are hard to come by.

I look forward to our detailed discussion of the decline of Turkic pan-nationalism in favour of Islamism as a populist movement in Kyrgyzstan following the association of socialism with the dictatorship.
 
I look forward to our detailed discussion of the decline of Turkic pan-nationalism in favour of Islamism as a populist movement in Kyrgyzstan following the association of socialism with the dictatorship.

You coulda just said that you want to discuss how huge an asshat erdogan is, yknow.
 
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You coulda just said that you want to discuss how huge an asshat erdogan is, yknow.

I mean, on the one hand he's an enormous asshat, on the other hand he tamed the Turkish military and the prospect of a coup against the Turkish democracy is lower than ever before. Besides, at least it's not Bahçeli; these things are relative.
 
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