If the polls show her up 2-3% in Ohio by election day, her ground game will guarantee her the state. If she didn't have much of an infrastructure (and Trump had some semblance of an operation), I wouldn't feel so confident.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT12| The last days of the Republic
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Is Strickland weak or is Portman just that strong a candidate?
Both.
BravesCountry
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From that NFL article, I'm shocked, just absolutely SHOCKED that Richie Incognito supports Trump. No one could have ever guessed that one.
Aaron Strife
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Probably more of a factor of Strickland's weakness than Portman's strength, but yeah, it's both.Is Strickland weak or is Portman just that strong a candidate?
Spiritreaver
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Ohio just wants to keep their namesake and side with the winner this election. It's all they care about.
balladofwindfishes
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Apparently Pence's performance has Trump aides saying "I've never seen him more pissed off."
God is real guys.
Kick him off the ticket and fly solo Donald, I know you want to!
ISWThunder
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Apparently Pence's performance has Trump aides saying "I've never seen him more pissed off."
God is real guys.
I think we should all start pretending that we thought Pence won in a landslide. Just go onto Reddit/Twitter and admit defeat last night and say how polished and presidential Pence looked with his big hands, great hair and winning temperament.
538 has an article up saying that Trump is currently doing worse among white voters than Romney was at this point. WOW. His bread and butter melting away?
Educated whites finally waking up and fleeing the party.
White woman are also not voting Trump.
White women! Woo!538 has an article up saying that Trump is currently doing worse among white voters than Romney was at this point. WOW. His bread and butter melting away?
He won bigly. He had the best words.. and he didn't use any of them to defend Trump.I think we should all start pretending that we thought Pence won in a landslide. Just go onto Reddit/Twitter and admit defeat last night and say how polished and presidential Pence looked with his big hands, great hair and winning temperament.
IggyChooChoo
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Link?Apparently Pence's performance has Trump aides saying "I've never seen him more pissed off."
God is real guys.
I think so too. The only downside though is that this is happening at a slower pace than non-college educated/rural whites leaving the Democratic party, which can leave an slight opening for Republicans in the near future if they clean up their act.Educated whites finally waking up and fleeing the party.
White woman are also not voting Trump.
I think so too. The only downside though is that this is happening at a slower pace than non-college educated/rural whites leaving the Democratic party, which can leave an slight opening for Republicans in the near future if they clean up their act.
Let's be honest with ourselves, the reformation of the Republican party is essential to the continuation of this democracy. We cannot continue on like this indefinitely.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
YES YES YES YES YES
Aaron Strife
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Agree wholeheartedly. I'll take an L in 2020 or 2024 if it means we have two sane parties.Let's be honest with ourselves, the reformation of the Republican party is essential to the continuation of this democracy. We cannot continue on like this indefinitely.
The political revolution in this country happens when Southern black voters make up a strong enough voting bloc to flip Mississippi, South Carolina, Georgia while locking in gains in Virginia and North Carolina. Same with Hispanics in Texas and Arizona. If the GOP is smart they can blunt this by not being racist asshats, but we'll see.
balladofwindfishes
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Let's be honest with ourselves, the reformation of the Republican party is essential to the continuation of this democracy. We cannot continue on like this indefinitely.
We shouldn't be one bad Democrat candidate away from total disaster. That's not at all a healthy place to be in. Our country's collective average life span is going to suffer if we all have to stress out about (in some cases literally) life or death every four years.
Let's be honest with ourselves, the reformation of the Republican party is essential to the continuation of this democracy. We cannot continue on like this indefinitely.
Been saying that for a while now. Democracy doesn't work when you only have one functioning party.
Reformation, reconstruction, whatever you wanna call it. I'm inclined to agree, but there would have to be some big changes to the party, and that doesn't come from within, it comes from outside - the party's voters. The RNC can try to embellish the party all it wants, but if primary voters constantly opt for the piece of shit candidates, it'll stay in the wilderness. And it almost messed up many times in 2012, Santorum and Gingrich were close to becoming the nominees are certain points.Let's be honest with ourselves, the reformation of the Republican party is essential to the continuation of this democracy. We cannot continue on like this indefinitely.
Apparently Pence's performance has Trump aides saying "I've never seen him more pissed off."
God is real guys.
He managed Trumpian levels of lying while appearing Presidential; Trump only pulled off one of the two and had to be incredibly salty Pence didn't defend him harder.
This hopefully means an even angrier and more defensive Trump on Sunday.
andthebeatgoeson
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You saw my Facebook post?I think we should all start pretending that we thought Pence won in a landslide. Just go onto Reddit/Twitter and admit defeat last night and say how polished and presidential Pence looked with his big hands, great hair and winning temperament.
Well, I don't know about South Carolina and Mississippi, but I do think the point of no return for Republicans is when Democrats can compete in Georgia and Arizona from the outset while having North Carolina locked up (Virginia is already a lost cause for them). Iowa and Ohio aren't enough to balance that out.Agree wholeheartedly. I'll take an L in 2020 or 2024 if it means we have two sane parties.
The political revolution in this country happens when Southern black voters make up a strong enough voting bloc to flip Mississippi, South Carolina, Georgia while locking in gains in Virginia and North Carolina. Same with Hispanics in Texas and Arizona. If the GOP is smart they can blunt this by not being racist asshats, but we'll see.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Let's be honest with ourselves, the reformation of the Republican party is essential to the continuation of this democracy. We cannot continue on like this indefinitely.
I was so close to not worrying too too much about the election in 2008 and at least being glad Bush was gone and I could watch the President speak without cringing.
Then McCain picked his running mate.
Movement on that OH poll doesnt make it look as good
Clinton 44% (+1 since mid-Aug.)
Trump 42% (+3)
Johnson 5% (-5)
Stein 1% (+1)
shinra-bansho
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Reform, reaffirm... repel.Reformation, reconstruction, whatever you wanna call it.
If the polls show her up 2-3% in Ohio by election day, her ground game will guarantee her the state. If she didn't have much of an infrastructure (and Trump had some semblance of an operation), I wouldn't feel so confident.
True. I'm just a bit worried if the polls will hold as such until November. We'll see though I suppose.
Aaron Strife
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Also I would say the rightward lurch has greatly hurt moderate, establishment candidates like McCain and Romney. They don't need to go full stupid and nominate someone like Trump to shoot themselves in the foot.Reformation, reconstruction, whatever you wanna call it. I'm inclined to agree, but there would have to be some big changes to the party, and that doesn't come from within, it comes from outside - the party's voters. The RNC can try to embellish the party all it wants, but if primary voters constantly opt for the piece of shit candidates, it'll stay in the wilderness. And it almost messed up many times in 2012, Santorum and Gingrich were close to becoming the nominees are certain points.
Anecdotally I can't tell you how many times I heard in 08 the sentiment of "I would have voted for McCain 4-8 years ago, but he's changed." They tried to slap the maverick label on him even though he himself had shed it when he decided to run for president again. Similarly Romney would have been more formidable if he'd been allowed to stay true to the views he held on LGBT issues, abortion, gun control, climate change etc. when he was governor. He basically turned into Generic R and the problem for the GOP is that even Generic R really sucks as a candidate.
SC/MS wouldn't happen until much later. Similar to MI/PA for the GOP.Holmes said:Well, I don't know about South Carolina and Mississippi, but I do think the point of no return for Republicans is when Democrats can compete in Georgia and Arizona from the outset while having North Carolina locked up (Virginia is already a lost cause for them). Iowa and Ohio aren't enough to balance that out.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump probably benefited from a really stupid flaw in the tax system that allowed him to claim ridiculous personal income losses that weren't really correct. And Hillary voted to fix that flaw.
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-did-trump-pay-so-little-tax-2016-10
lol
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-did-trump-pay-so-little-tax-2016-10
lol
This is interesting
http://www.gallup.com/poll/196064/t...ction 2016&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles
Contrary to what her left critics say, majority of people view Hillary as liberal, similar numbers to Obama
http://www.gallup.com/poll/196064/t...ction 2016&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles
The 58% of voters describing Hillary Clinton's views as liberal or very liberal is similar to Barack Obama's 60% in 2012 and 62% in 2008. Voters were somewhat less likely to perceive John Kerry in 2004 (48%) and Bill Clinton in 1992 (42%) as liberal
U.S. voters are most likely to describe Clinton as liberal (31%) or very liberal (27%). One in four consider her a political moderate (25%), while much smaller percentages describe her as conservative (9%) or very conservative (3%).
While about half of registered voters describe Clinton's political views as "a lot more liberal" or "somewhat more liberal" than their own, they are divided as to whether Trump is more conservative (35%) or more liberal (31%) than they are..
Contrary to what her left critics say, majority of people view Hillary as liberal, similar numbers to Obama
Roland_Gunner
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Movement on that OH poll doesnt make it look as good
Why? Mid-August was the height of Clinton's post convention surge. Coming back two points from then isn't a problem.
Movement on that OH poll doesnt make it look as good
Well yeah that's from almost 2 months ago. If that was last week I might be concerned but we have been around the bend over that period.
Why is Johnson dropping so hard all of a sudden?
He ran out of leppos.
Fragamemnon
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Then McCain picked his running mate.
The damage this act did still hasn't been fully realized or assessed in a proper historical sense. It planted the seed for nearly a decade of ineffective legislative activity and it grew into the open alt-right sewer and candidate we see today.
The GOP needs to nominate a transformational figure to bring them forward but their primary process explicitly prevents such a thing.
RustyNails
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I guess we found Trump's trigger for the next debate.Apparently Pence's performance has Trump aides saying "I've never seen him more pissed off."
God is real guys.
balladofwindfishes
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Why is Johnson dropping so hard all of a sudden?
- Third parties always fall off
- He's demonstrated he is not qualified to be president
- His VP has abandoned him
NYCmetsfan
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This is interesting
http://www.gallup.com/poll/196064/t...ction 2016&g_medium=newsfeed&g_campaign=tiles
Contrary to what her left critics say, majority of people view Hillary as liberal, similar numbers to Obama
Need partisian break down. Could just be republicans thinking every democrat is "liberal" now
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Last night reminded me that "There you go again" is my least favorite debate zinger.
Reagan said in response to Jimmy Carter saying that Reagan didn't support Medicare... And Jimmy Carter was exactly right.
Reagan said in response to Jimmy Carter saying that Reagan didn't support Medicare... And Jimmy Carter was exactly right.
That seems to be the general consensus. Q numbers for PA Senate have been all over the place, from one extreme to the other.How the fuck is McGinty losing in PA. No way. She's not Strickland. Philly will carry her over the top. I refuse to believe otherwise
nature boy
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Need a NYT/Sienna OH poll before I believe OH is up for grabs.
Why is Johnson dropping so hard all of a sudden?
This was guaranteed to happen.
Historically, including third party candidates in polling just soaks up undecided who aren't ready to pick. After the first debates, people start fully paying attention to the race and come to their decision. Watch Gary's support continue to drop.
shinra-bansho
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Two out of three for Trump.- Third parties always fall off
- He's demonstrated he is not qualified to be president
- His VP has abandoned him
It just hit me that in this case, Trump's crazy fanbase who think he can do no wrong, may only make him angrier on social media because they can not stop praising Pence for his debate performance...I think we should all start pretending that we thought Pence won in a landslide. Just go onto Reddit/Twitter and admit defeat last night and say how polished and presidential Pence looked with his big hands, great hair and winning temperament.
This is amazing.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Oh most definitely. She'll manage to work in how his own VP didn't even want to know him.I guess we found Trump's trigger for the next debate.
whyamihere
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From that NFL article, I'm shocked, just absolutely SHOCKED that Richie Incognito supports Trump. No one could have ever guessed that one.
It's fucking perfect.
Movement on that OH poll doesnt make it look as good
Yes, from after the convention.
Apparently Pence's performance has Trump aides saying "I've never seen him more pissed off."
God is real guys.
This quote is from a single twitter account (@ReaganBattalion) with no sourcing, unfortunately.
Need partisian break down. Could just be republicans thinking every democrat is "liberal" now
Democrats
6% Very Liberal
35% Liberal
40% Moderate
13% Conservative
I imagine those are similar to what Obama had
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