phisheep
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I'd be inclined to kick them right now. They don't know how many bullets are out there. The faster you shoot the more scared they will be that there's lots more where that came from.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT12| The last days of the Republic
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I'd be inclined to kick them right now. They don't know how many bullets are out there. The faster you shoot the more scared they will be that there's lots more where that came from.
cooljeanius
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Yeah I want more oppo sooner rather than later... even if it is solely for my own entertainment purposes
RustyNails
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Loras is hilariously bad pollster.
FloydtheFathead
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She might wait till the weekend to get full use out of the media cycle because Rome (GOP Land) is burning so Hillary and the dems need to just playing that fiddle and watch the madness
Just another demonstration of how incompetent and helpless the campaign is. Trump needs to let go of anything to do with women, any time he brings it up it's way too easy to throw it back on him.
Also, Pence's excuse/logic today is so bad. It takes a big man to admit he was wrong? Come the fuck on dude, this is the closest he's ever come to apologizing for something, and all he actually did was apologize if people were offended.
Edit: As far as oppo. I think they're waiting a bit for the GOP to realign themselves behind Trump. Giving them another issue to flail about will make them look like total fools after going back to Trump.
ShadowSwordmaster
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But he will still do it.
If joint funding means they can't cut him off, they'll have to ride the Trump campaign all the way into the ground and won't be shoring up any congressional seats with that cash.
So this is all true, but I also think it's still somewhat wrong.
The GOP running 16 candidates and failing to force them out is a symptom of their institutional collapse. Notice that the Democrats, by contrast, ran one candidate and a joke candidate for her to beat (and Bernie).
The GOP didn't fail to choose a candidate or fail to destroy Trump accidentally. They failed to do those things because they're fundamentally failing to coordinate effectively as a political party, just like they did this weekend.
PantherLotus
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Don't tax dumps feel like potentially small potatoes compared to sexual assault?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
We pretty much got confirmation of that from NYT on Twitter, as well as confirmation of the N-word tapes.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Since he admitted to not paying taxes, why is he STILL hiding his tax returns?
After last night, I suspect there is more in them.
Randolph Freelander
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GOP ex-prosecutors on idea of special prosecutor for Hillary: "Swell idea... for me to..."
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-clinton-jail-ex-prosecutors-slam-229547
Plus more behind the link.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-clinton-jail-ex-prosecutors-slam-229547
Plus more behind the link.
Black Mamba
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YESSSS...he's back!
And that is an argument I've been making. John Boehner fucked up in 2010 when he got rid of his own powers as speaker, basically.
A bit, but it's another nail in the coffin, and actual documents give tangible angles of attack. Romney's 14% rate really killed him. Even though Donald wears not paying taxes as a badge of honor, for the most part people still view this as unfair since they still have to pay their taxes. It also allows Hillary to bring up tax policy.
There's also the issue of his alleged charitable donations, ties to foreign countries, etc.
Beer Monkey
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Oh course, but it's still going to dominate the news and it's still same style of drip, drip, drip that killed Hillary's favorable ratings. We just need to keep a constant focus on Trump of how shitty he is from business, to ethics, to treatment of women, to racist tendencies.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Chuck Johnson is one of the horrible people taking advantage of Kathy Shelton's trauma:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...m-to-debate-two-weeks-before-trump-tapes.html
Hillary did everything as you should in the Kathy Shelton trial. Trying to use her trauma to attack the 6th amendment is one of the worst things of this year.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...m-to-debate-two-weeks-before-trump-tapes.html
Hillary did everything as you should in the Kathy Shelton trial. Trying to use her trauma to attack the 6th amendment is one of the worst things of this year.
I get the temptation. Especially for us because we want to know what else is out there, but this is how you play it. Stories tend to fizzle out on their own. You don't help them fizzle out for whatever reason.
The tape story is still getting play. Like I said earlier. The View was talking about it and I'm sure it'll be the topic of the late night shows as well. What's been going on with the GOP has been getting play as well. The infighting we are seeing on a public scale just isn't good for them at all. Trump is being hurt by all of this.
This story will fizzle out and I feel we'll be getting something later this week honestly. Only a few more weeks until election.
RustyNails
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Also from the Fahrenthold interview with Tapper, I suspect he already has new material on Truml and was just corroborating it before its out. To me it sounded like there are a few victims of Trump that wapo found, because Tapper asked him that question and he alluded to it in response.
Clinton will unite the GOP.
Trump united the Democrats. Having someone everyone hated so much has done far more uniting of the Democrats then anything Clinton or the Democratic party has done in this election. Hell, Trump is so hated he made Obama popular. (Also, Clinton being as unpopular as she is also made Obama more popular, funny enough)
Last I saw, over 50% of the people voting for Trump were voting against Clinton instead of voting for Trump. That number is basically unheard of (Obama had numbers like that in the 20s and low 30s in 2012 IIRC).
How furious (and united) do you think the GOP is going to get after four years of Clinton, who they've spent (by 2020) about 30 years demonizing, on top of the typical malaise of a fourth term of a Dem president as well as the typical popularity drop of anyone as they become president (and run for re-election)? Heck, she almost united the GOP in this election behind Donald freaking Trump. If that's not Trump on the other side, how much of the Obama coalition shows up for 2020 Clinton versus, say, a populist GOP type, a Kasich type governor who isn't a sociopathic nutjob.
As for getting through the primary
A) The RNC could actually get decent leadership, and RNC leadership could do what DNC leadership did, which is clear the decks of most of the people who would run by offering them either other positions (Congressional leadership positions), support in future elections (for governor types), or positions in said cabinet. There's a reason Clinton only had one actual competitor, and it wasn't for lack of people with ambition.
B) Switch away from WTA, and re-order the GOP primaries to put the type of states you want your candidate to be to come first, so that they can gather momentum initially.
In any two party system, both parties are tenuous alliances at best. Because the Democrats have kept winning the presidency, our alliances have held. The GOP's alliance is failing because they haven't been winning the presidency.
I cannot emphasize enough how badly Preibus and the RNC leadership have failed the GOP. The entire lunacy of the GOP primary was because they didn't have capable leadership, hell, they had their Speaker of the House resign because he got sick of dealing with the bullshit inside their own GOP controlled House. But watching how fast Obama got the Dem house in order in 2008 to 2016 (by basically abandoning the DNC, hah), it seems at least possible that the right group of people can rapidly fix things. Honestly, if the Bushes had concentrated on fixing the RNC in the last 8 years - I suspect the 2016 primary is wildly different.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Do we thank McDonald?
Yep. Absolutely disgusting ignorance and/or disregard of the constitution. This needs to be brought up much more... Some of the narrative really needs to be about how Trump wants to do objectively unconstitutional things.
I know there have been accusations already, but a big, well sourced WaPo article would be damning especially after his denial of ever doing any of the actions described in the tape.
Lucky Forward
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I've noticed that Mike Pence likes to say "literally" a lot:
And in the VP debate alone:
And in the VP debate alone:
BlastProcessing
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And the Trump Foundation has to release all of it's documentation to the NY AG soon.
Randolph Freelander
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It worked for Biden.
RustyNails
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Yep, nothing will trigger him more than women coming forward.
Yes, but it will take up a news cycle or two. Not to mention when Trump said it makes him smart that he doesn't pay taxes didn't sit well with a lot of people.
I think the biggest determinant for the immediate future of the GOP will be whether or not they retain control of Congress. If they do, then when 2018 comes around the Party can tell the base that they need the Party to stop Hillary. That would delay the Reckoning at least until 2020.
But if they lose the House? Anything's possible.
But if they lose the House? Anything's possible.
He didn't answer anything about possible tapes. Not even a "maybe". So I sort of think he has something he's working on.
MSNBC like half an ago mentioned that voting for your candidate is more beneficial than voting against the opponent.
2004: Most people voting Kerry were voting against Bush.
2008: Majority of people for both McCain and Obama were voting for their candidate, but Obama had a much higher number voting for him.
2012: Most people voting Romney were voting against Obama.
I think Trump has thrown a lot of disarray at the GOP more than uniting the Democrats. Dems are much more united than the GOP intrinsically, Trump just gives Dems even more ammo and helps for enthusiasm. I think the GOP demonizing Clinton isn't going to have any more effect than the last 8 years with Obama. You are indeed right that if it wasn't Trump, it could be very close.
Oh shit, I completely forgot about that. When is the deadline again?
Black Mamba
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Cybit - I think you underestimate the inner party strife should they lose the House, too.
I don't think the Trumpian voters will all hold their nose in 2018 and 2020. There's going to be some real fighting. There's a real chance for a break.
I don't think the Trumpian voters will all hold their nose in 2018 and 2020. There's going to be some real fighting. There's a real chance for a break.
Bam Bam Baklava
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If these trends continue...
whyamihere
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Iowa returns as of today.
Wow, me too. The letter was on the 3rd, so 15 days in the 18th which is next Tuesday. I have no idea how exactly they count days for these things though. Every day, business days?
phisheep
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metalslimer
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Unless things are a shitshow under Clinton (certainly possible), I still don't see republicans having the candidate to break through the primaries and beat her. I think 2024 will likely have a republican president though as 5 terms is pretty ridiculous and we are likely to see some kind of economic downturn. However, we are ignoring the fact that the GOP could just implode and it would take a long time to recover enough to put together a real presidential contender.
Randolph Freelander
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Flying above uptown Charlotte right now (the work crowd is going home, but the Panthers are playing MNF tonight)
The text is "Trump assaults women. Outraged? Vote."
https://twitter.com/katieperalta/status/785606747843096577
The text is "Trump assaults women. Outraged? Vote."
https://twitter.com/katieperalta/status/785606747843096577
Of anticipation, maybe. An alt-right party would get less than 30% of the vote. This is basically why I think the GOP is doomed -- they ARE the alt-right party now.
You win by having people vote for you definitely - it's one of Clinton's advantages in this race. But I think people are thinking Trump isn't an outlier when by all indications he is. I think a normal(ish) candidate, who, by the way, this same party constituency had chosen for decades in a row, will swing most republicans back onto "voting for them", but also have the turnout benefit of "I hate the opponent". It's not like the GOP voting bloc is significantly different between 2012 and 2016, or 2008 and 2016. It seems like heavy amounts of wishful thinking to assume that they are unable to go back to the same voting patterns they have historically, and Trump not even being able to get 50% of the primary voters indicate that strong leadership and a non 17 person primary race can quickly fix much of the situation.
Now, if the Tea Party launches another mutiny against the moderate GOP in the House after a House loss, well, all fucking hell breaks loose then.
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Lol, you read my mind. If the House falls, the soul searching (and giant GOP civil war) that should have happened in 2012 will happen between 2016 and 2018.
Mobius and pet octopus
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That whole defending a rapist thing is completely... stupid. It's how the US criminal justice system works. Even the guilty deserve proper legal representation and advocacy. I've seen people on twitter argue that she basically raped the child herself... people are idiots.
The last time a single party was in power for 20 years was FDR-Truman.
RustyNails
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Trump lawyers will likely ask for an extension and they may get it. But the AG sounded furious in the letter, so who knows. These clowns had 20 years to fix their crap.
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