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[Allard]

Slim silver lining, but Hassan went ahead of Ayotte in New Hampshire. In this tragedy of a night it means if it holds there will be at least one less voice in the senate who stands with Trump.

 

[redpotato4]

So I just started working for an environmental non-profit. Is Trump actually gonna get rid of the EPA? Someone mentioned the possibility of that at work today but I had no concept of him actually winning tonight. What the fuck

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I mean some will come back if we put a 90% tariff on Chinese goods. But they won't be good jobs and they won't pay well.

No, tons of manufacturing is done in America, it's just really easy to have robots do manufacturing.

 

[Trouble]

She is a hypocrite and disgraceful for not conceding.

Literally no networks have called the race.

The people who were saying this about Bernie the minute it looked inevitable were wrong too.

 

[hawk2025]

These posts are depressing. As long as you see things this way, the Democrats are never winning again. I don't know how to explain it any more. It should be obvious now. I am just so sad at how people in this thread are just completely blanking out at what is screaming at them in the face. At least if we were learning the lessons, this might have just been a four year setback.

They'll get around to it.

I see it now, and it was certainly a blindspot of mine. I fundamentally misunderstood this.

 

[Kid Heart]

So I just started working for an environmental non-profit. Is Trump actually gonna get rid of the EPA? Someone mentioned the possibility of that at work today but I had no concept of him actually winning tonight. What the fuck

To be blunt, I don't think even Trump knows what the heck he is going to do now...

 

[mo60]

Didn't expect 30%(!) of Latinos to vote for Trump. I mean, wow.

Weird thing is even though he got literally 30% of latino's to vote for him he still did terrible in states like Arizona compared to past republican candidates.

 

[Wilsongt]

The best thing Democrats can do is snap that spine back into shape, pull up their stockings, and murder it for 2018.

 

[gutter_trash]

Nixon and JFK went to be on election night in 1960,
I suggest we all do the same

 

[BreezyLimbo]

I wonder how Comey feels right now

Probably happy

That piece of shit

 

[Deleted member 231381]

I mean, Trump just won on the lie that he can bring back manufacturing jobs.

It... can't happen.

Subsidize them. Don't put money into welfare, put the money into jobs. People then get their welfare 'indirectly', through their pay that comes from subsidized jobs. These jobs don't exist, so we have to invent them.

In the long term, focus on education and trying to shift people away naturally. But that's not what wins elections.

 

[Coriolanus]

These posts are depressing. As long as you see things this way, the Democrats are never winning again. I don't know how to explain it any more. It should be obvious now. I am just so sad at how people in this thread are just completely blanking out at what is screaming at them in the face. At least if we were learning the lessons, this might have just been a four year setback.

They'll get around to it.

I see it now, and it was certainly a blindspot of mine. I fundamentally misunderstood this.

 

[Angry Fork]

You don't understand. They don't want handouts. Obamacare is a handout, or feels like one. They don't want to have someone else pay for their healthcare, they want to be able to pay for their healthcare themselves and have the dignity of knowing that they didn't have to rely on the government. As long as you keep talking about Obamacare and benefits and welfare, you're still not getting it. You need to talk about jobs. You need to talk about pride and dignity and a way of lief.

I'm against all the liberal bullshit saying white working class trump voters are all racist idiots, but this isn't true either imo. A lot of these people use government services and would use more if they were convinced it could be done without forcing them to pay substantially more through taxes. (Which democrats sometimes end up doing because they're so scared of forcing industry/the rich to pay for things. Obamacare was bad partly for this reason.)

If you told these poor rural families that their kid can go to college for free and the rich corrupt elite's will pay for it, I'd definitely bet they'd be sympathetic to that.

 

[CrimzonSamurai]

Nixon and JFK went to be on election night in 1960,
I suggest we all do the same

They don't make quaaludes anymore.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

What is even the path forward for the Dems after tonight? I don't see any. The party is dead.

 

[Kusagari]

Anyway, is Trump giving a speech tonight or can I go to bed?

 

[Diablos]

Subsidize them. Don't put money into welfare, put the money into jobs. People then get their welfare 'indirectly', through their pay that comes from subsidized jobs. These jobs don't exist, so we have to invent them.

In the long term, focus on education and trying to shift people away naturally. But that's not what wins elections.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. This fails every time.

 

[gutter_trash]

I wonder how Comey feels right now

Probably happy

That piece of shit

Giuliani's Police State will be in effect

Comey will be given J.Edgar Hoover level of authority

 

[Spider from Mars]

The best thing Democrats can do is snap that spine back into shape, pull up their stockings, and murder it for 2018.

If there's one thing we democrats do well, it's dealing with adversity!

 

[RustyNails]

These posts are depressing. As long as you see things this way, the Democrats are never winning again. I don't know how to explain it any more. It should be obvious now. I am just so sad at how people in this thread are just completely blanking out at what is screaming at them in the face. At least if we were learning the lessons, this might have just been a four year setback.

Whats screaming at our face? Man with 70 pinocchios won against woman with 10 or so pinocchios.

 

[Grief.exe]

Imagine being in Hillary's position.

Wether it's true or not, you know Hillary is the type of person that blames herself for this. She has the weight of hundreds of years if functioning Democracy, the weight of tens of millions of minorities, and the weight of every rational person not only in this country, burning this planet.

The worst possible scenario has come to pass, she is likely a mess. Give her some time.

 

[hawk2025]

Subsidize them. Don't put money into welfare, put the money into jobs. People then get their welfare 'indirectly', through their pay that comes from subsidized jobs. These jobs don't exist, so we have to invent them.

In the long term, focus on education and trying to shift people away naturally. But that's not what wins elections.

Yep.

This makes sense.

 

[FyreWulff]

She is a hypocrite and disgraceful for not conceding.

it hasn't even been called. There's still a LOT of votes to go through

 

[KMS]

So how do Democrats win votes from people who are filled with so much anger, hate and fear?

 

[A Human Becoming]

Democrats need to come together to rebound from this, whether you were originally a Bernie supporter or Hillary: we need each other to succeed in the future.

 

[TyrantII]

I mean some will come back if we put a 90% tariff on Chinese goods. But they won't be good jobs and they won't pay well.

More likely: you cause a recession and negative feedback loops lead to stagflation and a lot of economic harm. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. Modest tinkering with trade packs could help, but thats the not poison that was sold by Trump.

 

[CrimsonSquall]

She is a hypocrite and disgraceful for not conceding.

Clinton never cried rig, that's Trumpets horn

 

[Tranqueris]

So how long did it take for the rise in hate crimes in England to occur after Brexit?

 

[ampere]

What is even the path forward for the Dems after tonight? I don't see any. The party is dead.

I don't understand how a fascist racist with no plan can beat concrete plans and following up a president with a good economy

People don't want facts, they want noise

 

[Deleted member 231381]

Crab, maybe it's time for you to accept that there are people here who are going to suffer and die while you do game theory and advocate for the Democrats to sell the people who are suffering and dying out.

This is a pretty disgusting post that both ignores what I'm saying and just insults me.

 

[Totakeke]

Manufacturing jobs aren't coming back and both parties have been dishonest on focusing on it so much. I don't think it'll affect rural America as much though. I have very little faith that the promises Trump fails to keep will damage GOP in any way. What's next after Trump fails to make America great again?

 

[Fuchsdh]

So I just started working for an environmental non-profit. Is Trump actually gonna get rid of the EPA? Someone mentioned the possibility of that at work today but I had no concept of him actually winning tonight. What the fuck

Reality is a lot of politics is slow-grinding gears. So while it's conceivable and probable education and the environment will be shafted under the coming Republican onslaught, it's doubtful they'll actually get around to dismantling them.

Hell, my father works in one of the pet agencies that's always brought up by the Congress as wasteful spending (BBG) and yet they still haven't gotten shut down and are at best circling the drain. Bureaucracy survives.

I don't understand how a fascist racist with no plan can beat concrete plans and following up a president with a good economy

People don't want facts, they want noise

The "people" are mostly uneducated rural voters, primarily white men. If they are actually energized and stick around for midterms of past this election, that's who Dems have to figure out how to beat.

 

[Psychoward]

Anyway, is Trump giving a speech tonight or can I go to bed?

why would you want to listen to that terrible fucker gloat

 

[kevin1025]

Anyway, is Trump giving a speech tonight or can I go to bed?

He just arrived at his election headquarters. So yes.

 

[RustyNails]

What is even the path forward for the Dems after tonight? I don't see any. The party is dead.

Nah, party is dead talk is premature. Happens every time after an election is lost. Remember when Chris Matthews and others said GOP is now a regional party after 2008 loss?

 

[Sciz]

15 Now it was the governor’s custom at the festival to release a prisoner chosen by the crowd. 16 At that time they had a well-known prisoner whose name was Barabbas. 17 So when the crowd had gathered, Pilate asked them, “Which one do you want me to release to you: Jesus Barabbas, or Jesus who is called the Messiah?” 18 For he knew it was out of self-interest that they had handed Jesus over to him.

...

20 But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowd to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus executed.

21 “Which of the two do you want me to release to you?” asked the governor.

“Barabbas,” they answered.

22 “What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called the Messiah?” Pilate asked.

They all answered, “Crucify him!”

23 “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate.

But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!”

Sitting here wondering just when the church got so off track, and a passage came to mind.

Forgive me the sentimentality, and thanks for all you've taught me, PoliGAF.

 

[Kid Heart]

These posts are depressing. As long as you see things this way, the Democrats are never winning again. I don't know how to explain it any more. It should be obvious now. I am just so sad at how people in this thread are just completely blanking out at what is screaming at them in the face. At least if we were learning the lessons, this might have just been a four year setback.

Dude, a lot of people are obviously extremely upset and emotional here. Give them some time, it's clear some people need a bit of space at the moment.

 

[Officerrob]

So how do Democrats win votes from people who are filled with so much anger, hate and fear?

Honestly? Wait for Trump to not fulfill what they wanted and those people stay home and/or die

 

[Retromelon]

So I just started working for an environmental non-profit. Is Trump actually gonna get rid of the EPA? Someone mentioned the possibility of that at work today but I had no concept of him actually winning tonight. What the fuck

I feel like this thread covers the possibilities pretty well

 

[sazzy]

 

[elvisaintdead]

Kerry conceded the next day in 2004, Hillary will do the same. Deplorables gonna deplorable, but there is nothing wrong with the decision to wait for the votes to be counted and for a network to actually call the race.

 

[Coriolanus]

Yep.

This makes sense.

i mean

"If the Treasury were to fill old bottles with banknotes, bury them at suitable depths in disused coalmines which are then filled up to the surface with town rubbish, and leave it to private enterprise on well-tried principles of laissez-faire to dig the notes up again (the right to do so being obtained, of course, by tendering for leases of the note-bearing territory), there need be no more unemployment and, with the help of the repercussions, the real income of the community, and its capital wealth also, would probably become a good deal greater than it actually is. It would, indeed, be more sensible to build houses and the like; but if there are political and practical difficulties in the way of this, the above would be better than nothing."

 

[bomma_man]

Nobody in the world actually desires a retail job. It's not a "real" job. You try and pitch them that and they just see themselves a Wal-Mart greeter for life.

But in the 19th century that was manufacturing and mining! Those jobs only became desirable - or at least tolerable - after years of struggle by the labour movement. You think these people would be happy working in Chinese manufacturing conditions for Chinese pay?

All the Democrats can do is (1) work to improve current labour conditions and (2) provide retraining and education for the young and next generation. It's no coincidence that this has happened in the US and UK first - where Reagan and Thatcher left the industrial class to rot. The phenomena is no where near as acute in Australia, New Zealand or Canada where centre left governments softened the blow.

 

[Fragamemnon]

No, tons of manufacturing is done in America, it's just really easy to have robots do manufacturing.

Manufacturing jobs today sound more like data center jobs than the old toolmaker/machinist/assembly line operator positions that they have in mind when you hear manufacturing. Clinton was very honest about this on the trail.

 

[kirblar]

Manufacturing jobs aren't coming back and both parties have been dishonest on focusing on it so much. I don't think it'll affect rural America as much though. I have very little faith that the promises Trump fails to keep will damage GOP in any way. What's next after Trump fails to make America great again?

Rural America will continue to decline. No one is stopping that train.

 

[Toxi]

Manufacturing jobs aren't coming back and both parties have been dishonest on focusing on it so much. I don't think it'll affect rural America as much though. I have very little faith that the promises Trump fails to keep will damage GOP in any way. What's next after Trump fails to make America great again?

2004 2.0

 

[Grief.exe]

Democrats need to come together to rebound from this, whether you were originally a Bernie supporter or Hillary: we need each other to succeed in the future.

I'm so depressed right now, I just can't see it. I just need some time I guess.

 

[wumster3000]

it hasn't even been called. There's still a LOT of votes to go through

But she fucking better. I jumped on Trump's ass for saying he's not doing it so she deserves the same. You lost, admit defeat and move on.

 

[thepotatoman]

Voters who are scared enough of brown people to vote for Trump are also scared of SOCIALISTS.

I disagree. The people most likely to be denounce SOCIALISM isn't the deplorables, but the very same conservatives that denounced trump in favor of "true conservative values". They have a pretty loud voice given their access to media, but it turns out they have absolutely 0 sway with the electorate.

Economic populism would have matched up very well against what Trump was selling.

 

[B-Dubs]

So where does this put her in regards to the EC.