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PoliGAF 2016 |OT15| Orange is the New Black
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If you didn't go out and vote you don't get to complain. Full stop.
thehypocrite
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I dunno, but you wouldn't rule him out based on "old standards". The game has changed. We need to be strategic not predictable.
That's true but that's a factor important to a lot of people in a lot of places, but the swing states had different priorities for this election, regardless of the merit that you or I can adscribe to them.
I said she was a bad candidate for winning. You become the president by getting EV, not popular vote. We are trying to win elections, You enter into politics to win elections, that's all that matters cause that's how you can do anything, local, state and federal level, the goal is to win the election, not the popular vote. So who gives a shit about the popular vote when Hillary won it but we still get president trump? Not me.
Probably not but does that even matter now? Maintaining one branch would be worth it.
Seriously, you all need to start pushing for Reid to run the DNC. I have no clue who or what the DNC listens to, but Reid is the man to do it. So make it happen.
You know what? #makeamericagreatagain. Co-opt that fucking slogan for progressive causes, not white nationalism.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
You going to attempt to explain why Feingold and Teachout both got less votes that Hillary got while Kander got way more votes?
If there is this mythical base wanting progressive socialist-like candidates, then they did nothing to turnout to vote.
Meanwhile Kander almost won in an upset.
metalslimer
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I feel disgusted with myself for rooting for Trump in the primaries. I know we would get a lot of the same policies with Rubio or Jeb, but at least we wouldn't have legitimized hatred.
Fragamemnon
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Reid's machine operates the way it does because of limited geographic range and a specific set of voters to turn out. It works for Nevada, but it doesn't scale.
I'm going to be in my 40s and my wife will be in her 50s when 2020 (the next time we can do anything) comes around. We don't have the heart to fight this and bring it back from the brink. We're just going to move to Seattle (was already planned for what it is worth) and live in its pluralistic and global world view oriented bubble that reflects our values.
I'll still be heartbroken to see that the peace, stability, and progress of the post-Cold War era is being replaced by fear and nationalism.
VendettaRed07
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Because of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wqOApBLPio
And the fact that his did really well in labeling his opponent as a Washington insider, and that he had a better connection with the people of Missouri.
Frank the Great
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Democrats need to completely drop gun control. I hate to say it.
Officerrob
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Wasn't she just doing it through the election?
CrimzonSamurai
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I think you guys are making a mistake in focusing on Trump as the main source of damage. Dude will probably be harmless. He was a populist who knew what he was saying would get him where he needed to be, he probably doesn't give a shit about any of the race baiting nonsense he spewed on the trail. The real problem here is total GOP control of the legislature. Forget the ACA, goodbye EPA. Goodbye National Parks, goodbye DOE.
Even if they left social policy alone the America I grew up in is fucking dead.
Even if they left social policy alone the America I grew up in is fucking dead.
plagiarize
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So basically you are saying that every candidate that loses is bad, and every one that wins is good. I don't think things are quite that simple, and I don't see how calling her a bad candidate for barely missing here helps us move forwards, but if you want to define it that way, fair enough.
By that metric: Bernie Sanders was a bad candidate.
Has me saying that helped us any? I don't think so. I don't think he was a bad candidate. I would have supported him in the general whole heartedly. Maybe I'd be here today, presuming he lost, saying 'if only we'd picked Clinton'. We'll never know.
You're discounting terrorist coming to kill them, brownies taking their jobs, and hood rats taking their taxes.
Bernie didn't and doesn't have an effective message to offer people that bought into those issues, on top of trade and manufacturing. The Dems don't, because rural voters felt they were abandoned long ago. They're lashing out.
What happened with the Democrats in West Virgina just spread to the whole Rust Belt. The most populist fire breathing Democrat isn't getting anything from West Virginia. They feel betrayed, somewhat rightfully.
Good Job Bob
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She has to go.
He also succeeded in flipping the State Assembly and Senate there, so only the governorship is under Republican control.
NihonTiger90
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They have a slew of decent candidates (Franken, Brown, maybe Hickenlooper but I think his gun control stuff in Colorado is national poison at this point, Booker?, Harris?) but no one that really stands out as someone who I can see being that guy.
FWIW, the GOP in 2020 and especially 2024 is going to be awfully bare in the cupboard, too. Most of the governors who could run in 2020 will be out of office due to term limits in 2024, and I don't think Cruz is going to be viable by then, so it'll likely have to be someone from within the Trump administration ... or Donald Trump Jr.
Obvious answer is Mark Cuban, the anti-Trump.
Doc Holliday
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Dude have you seen the people he's surrounding himself? I would agree with you if he had a bunch of northeastern liberal peeps in his cabinet. He has Steve Bannon and newt Gingrich, enough sad.
campfireweekend
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So youre admitting policies don't matter then. Just a candidate's affect.
Isaac Otherworld
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I'm not talking about voters. They probably did vote for Clinton though I don't really know. I'm talking about volunteers who were working for the GE campaign to GOTV, and the volunteers that voted in the primary were constantly shat on, insulted, and bullied by staffers and volunteers that voted Clinton until they said "Enough" and stopped volunteering.
I think she's officially interim.
I mean I agree but I don't know how electing a DNC chair works
I guess Brazile is only interim chair since DWS stepped down. I don't know if/when they have an election for permanent chair. I have to assume Brazile would get the boot because of her feeding Hillary debate questions.
Have you read this thread?
For people who actually had a stake in this election it's not a fun place at all, because the people here think they're helping!
I only came back here because now that I'm radicalized yelling about racism helps me with catharsis.
That's not what I said, obviously.
This was true months ago
This is true today
This will be true tomorrow
The "Bernie would have won" mentality is foolish, we have no idea if he would have won.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Russia is on fire economically and ruled by insane people, China is drifting towards dictatorship, the U.S. just elected Donald Trump, and Pakistan and India are always on the verge of humanity ending war.
But other than that, the survival of our race is going pretty pretty good.
But other than that, the survival of our race is going pretty pretty good.
plagiarize
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Trump right now is... whatever you hope or fear basically. We've got nothing concrete to look at to decide what his positions are going to be like, other than shit we know he can't do like build a wall and round up 10 million undocumented workers.
I suspect you're right, but he'll still sign off on killing the ACA. He'll still put forwards a strong conservative judge. He's still going to kill lots of Obama's executive orders.
He's certainly no worse than Cruz would be in terms of agenda.
We have a guy that we have no idea about because his positions have continually changed all over the map. I'm sure he'll care about his approval ratings, and work accordingly... but how much of a fight is he going to put up against the GOP?
I can only hope the GOP embrace his presumed populist stance, and that polls on key issues continue moving in the right direction to force their hands on items like gay marriage.
But I have no good indication that that's going to happen.
hipsterpants
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Kander actually excited liberals/young people in this state though. He wasn't just an anti-Blunt/anti-GOP candidate. College students here fucking loved him.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/8/84345/-
Not sure if they changed the rules since. If Bernie pushes for someone they can probably get elected (hopefully someone good). Hopefully that person can work with the Sanders, Obama, and Clinton wings of the party well.
It's the day after the election man. Give it a week and we'll have stopped being at each other's throats.
If the US and USSR could work together against Hitler, PoliGAF posters can stop sniping each other.
plagiarize
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And as an open Clinton supporter I too was shat on and insulted during the primaries by Bernie bros. I went from seeing Bernie as a good second choice, to really disliking him because of how many of his supporters treated me.
So next time lets not shit on each other at all.
Deal?
If Jeb/Rubio/Kasich took office after a normal campaign I doubt they get rid of the ACA, really try to overturn Roe, etc.
That's why, for as annoying as they are, the GOP establishment aren't that bad to deal with. They mostly pander on a plethora of issues while only caring about their tax cut fantasies.
The Tea Party is effectively in control of the White House and anything is on the table.
That's why, for as annoying as they are, the GOP establishment aren't that bad to deal with. They mostly pander on a plethora of issues while only caring about their tax cut fantasies.
The Tea Party is effectively in control of the White House and anything is on the table.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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"A Better Way" is the single most radical piece of legislation ever seriously proposed and it will pass this Spring.
People are going to be energized.
People are going to be energized.
Does poligaf agree with this?
(Maggie has been covering Donald for NYT)
I'd say it sounds accurate.
thehypocrite
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As much as it hurts to write and probably read this, for winning the elections you didn't need them, trump conceded the majority of them from the start, they were not going to vote for him in significant numbers. The votes of minorities for the Dem was safe. The white male & Female?? well we already know what happened.
She needs to go for what she did during the primaries and how she favored Clinton openly. That's not a good look. The Clinton brand is shot, bury it.
They do. Like really, these people on the rural areas love their guns and have really very little to hold onto. Not everyone lives in new york, Chicago, MA, etc. Say that you support the 2nd amendment and co-opt Kander message on this.
I expect to hear about Bernie Sanders for the next two years.
Then they'll mount a coup and implant our very own Jeremy Corbyn in charge of the opposition party, and he'll start preparing for a Mondale-level walloping, but at least the white liberals will be able to say the only reason he lost is that people of color didn't support the movement enough.
Or we'll get another Bill Clinton, driving a jeep along the Mexican border with a rifle to prove that he's just as harsh on minorities as the Republicans.
Those seem to be the ideas that white liberals have for how to advance the party now.
whyamihere
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Does poligaf agree with this?
(Maggie has been covering Donald for NYT)
I think that's probably part of it, yeah.
Ziltoidia 9
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Does poligaf agree with this?
(Maggie has been covering Donald for NYT)
I believe running on Obama really hurt her in terms of enthusiasm, as Sanders was more of a "to the future" message and tapped into the current day feeling more.
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