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PoliGAF 2016 |OT15| Orange is the New Black
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Black Mamba
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To do what? Take over, make some fixes, have it undone? Rinse repeat?
I can't stop repeating this. The GOP broke govt for 6 years. Hard Gop states have been a disaster economically. The electorate agrees that not hearing garland is wrong.
The GOP has paid zero price for this. To the contrary they were rewarded.
Gop voters don't give a shit. They will vote for any gop no matter what. This election proves it.
The way our govt is set up and spread of demographics fuck Democrats over.
The only way this is overcome is when things get really bad or a charismatic candidate shows up certain voters show up to the polls
As of right now the 2020 Dem primary is probably Biden vs Warren. Beyond that we'll probably see anyone with any standing try a run.
That's not very "Make America Great Again."
this must be like what the end of reconstruction must have felt like. everything just goes to shit for a few generations. the southwest is getting bluer. there are flashes of hope along the east coast... but the midwest fucking vanished. voter suppression will be at an all time high and we can't even get that shit struck down as unconstitutional because the supreme court will be stacked with conservatives for 30 more years at least.
part of the blame rests with obama. he seemed not to care about midterms or the democratic party. during his presidency a lot of states and elections started trending towards what we saw today. it seems impossible that six years ago, the dems had congress and a super majority in the senat given where things are now. clinton may have been complacent to a fault in august, but the six years since have been far more damning.
part of the blame rests with obama. he seemed not to care about midterms or the democratic party. during his presidency a lot of states and elections started trending towards what we saw today. it seems impossible that six years ago, the dems had congress and a super majority in the senat given where things are now. clinton may have been complacent to a fault in august, but the six years since have been far more damning.
Randolph Freelander
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I can't even function today. Some of it is the lack of sleep, for sure, but I feel dead inside. I take the smallest amount of solace in Hillary winning the popular vote, but that and $2 gets me a cup of Starbucks coffee (which I desperately need).
Something for a lot of liberals to remember right now (yes it's from the intercept)
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/donald-trump-will-be-president-this-is-what-we-do-next/
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/09/donald-trump-will-be-president-this-is-what-we-do-next/
balladofwindfishes
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They can't repeal ACA without replacing it or dismantling it slowly. It's too ingrained into the system. Well, I guess they technically can, but to actually implement such a repeal would be close to impossible.
If they hard line repealed it, instantly, it would send shockwaves through the healthcare industry. Millions losing their insurance over night. Premiums would explode. It would be a disaster.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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We need to convince college educated white people in Arizona and Georgia and Florida and Texas that either there is no God or that racism is bad.
That's the way, but I don't know if it will work.
That's the way, but I don't know if it will work.
This is highly unlikely. All the justices are unlikely to last 4 years. And the democrats will take forever to bicker internally before putting together any sort of concerted effort for 2018. Plus there will be lots of distraction with what the Republicans will do, gut this, change that. By 2020 maybe they can get presidency, but by then the damage will be in motion and it would take 8 years just to stop the bleeding and get back to today's status quo. Similar to Obama recovering after Bush's recession and shouldering the blame.
It's incredible how confident everybody is that a man who ran on fascism and white nationalism, accused all his political opponents of elaborate nonsensical conspiracy theories to steal the election, and literally said they should cancel the election and just make him president will go forward and honor American democracy and peaceful transitions of power in the future.
I'll worry about the election in 2020 when we know if there will be an election in 2020.
I'll worry about the election in 2020 when we know if there will be an election in 2020.
I'm off to bed (been up for a loooooong time).
But I'd just like to say that we disrespect everything Hillary and Obama have done if we give in now.
Don't back down. Don't shrug and say fuck it.
Yes, they were rewarded. Because life fucking sucks. But it's a moral imperative that anyone who can, actually stands up and fights this - because like Hell I want to live in a world where Pence can "re-educate" gays, or demand a rape victim carry her attacker's child to term. Fuck. That. Noise. We need to make ourselves heard and get the Dem base voting, because that's a shit world to leave to our children.
But I'd just like to say that we disrespect everything Hillary and Obama have done if we give in now.
Don't back down. Don't shrug and say fuck it.
Yes, they were rewarded. Because life fucking sucks. But it's a moral imperative that anyone who can, actually stands up and fights this - because like Hell I want to live in a world where Pence can "re-educate" gays, or demand a rape victim carry her attacker's child to term. Fuck. That. Noise. We need to make ourselves heard and get the Dem base voting, because that's a shit world to leave to our children.
Hope to see Harris, Booker, Gillibrand.
Biden is going to be 77 in 2020. I don't see it happening.
I think we'll see Warren, Kander, Booker, and maybe a wild card like Cuban.
Marmaladefire
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One of my(Bernie or Bust) friends texted me that "Hillary lost the election the second the child trafficking emails leaked".. I'm just in awe tbh. I told her terrible polling and voter suppression had more to do with this upset than anything but honestly, I can't decide whether to explain how out of context the interpretation for those emails are or. to give up because it's over and she's vowed never to bother with the political process again anyway.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
i don't know what's worse:
Dealing with trump supporters or Bernie bros who didn't vote saying "I told you so"
Dealing with trump supporters or Bernie bros who didn't vote saying "I told you so"
He'll be old for sure, but right now the Dems need someone who can recapture the Obama magic. That and he's a good soldier, if he thinks we need him he'll run.
I think this election scared off any women considering it.
Please white males, tell me more about Bernie Sanders!
balladofwindfishes
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He's been all over the map in what he proposes. We have no idea.
Everything worked against Hillary in this election.
Honestly, let's let America reap what it sows. Not just the insurance market imploding, I'm talking making me register as a Muslim. Marriage equality and Roe v Wade being overturned. Tarrifs and trade wars crippling industries and raising the price of goods. Let everyone see what the far right really is. Maybe then people will actually vote then. (I know this is insensitive - My family will be affected if the ACA is repealed).
whyamihere
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I'm not quite there, but there are questions.
I doubt it too. Part of me tries to console myself with the hope there's some part of his Democratic side left in there. That he's been underestimated at every turn and maybe just maybe there's a shred of good there and he'll surprise us all. Then I remember the people in his orbit and sink back into a funk again.
Randolph Freelander
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Folks, he is going to be a rubber stamp for Ryan and McConnell. Don't fool yourselves into thinking he will not be.
The good news is Pence, Newt, Rudy, etc aren't quite as crazy as some of the other Republicans in the House right now.
balladofwindfishes
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My mom actually believes he'll find some way of declaring permanent martial law and just never hold elections again.
I admit I am trying not to think about that possibility.
metalslimer
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Also anyone who runs is going to have the full force of Russia's intelligence working against them. They better be prepared to potentially have their life ruined.
Also I just started crying again thinking reading the DACA thread.
Also I just started crying again thinking reading the DACA thread.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Agreed. It's going to be fascinating what happens. Again, HSAs will cause the economy to crumble. SO many people will be bankrupt from medical debt as a result.
They swear they'll instantly repeal it, though, which will destroy everything quickly.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Venezuela with nukes is probably the worst case scenario I would guess.
... Hmm, that's just Russia actually.
... Hmm, that's just Russia actually.
BreezyLimbo
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Does poligaf agree with this?
(Maggie has been covering Donald for NYT)
I mean
There's a reason why a bunch of voters didn't vote for her. That's as good a reason as any? I don't know.
gutter_trash
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no more boomers, best get some energetic young blood
Realistically I think Trump will be a shitty but livable four years where a large amount of Obama's progress will be erased. Assuming the dems don't elect a Kerry-esque wet towel, a Democrat will most likely be elected in 2020 and we start building shit back up. And then maybe in 8 years we'll have to deal with Donald Jr. and the cycle just keeps going.
Unfortunately this is just kind of the way US politics goes. One part almost never gets more than 8 consecutive years.
Unfortunately this is just kind of the way US politics goes. One part almost never gets more than 8 consecutive years.
Voysa Reezun
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Sweet fuck, this is also possibly true.
IggyChooChoo
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I'm hoping Ivanka will get him to do some liberal things. This is what I'm reduced to. Is that technically Stockholm Syndrome?
Black Mamba
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Yes this issue too. I'm hoping that trump is do old and weird he doesn't actually care enough but who fucking knows?
We elected a fascist. There are no guarantees.
Cruz was a big troll. Trump is unpredictable...
Ultimately, things will be okay... We just have to deal with a hiccup.
This is a way up call that you can't ignore the plight of
poor, uneducated whites... No matter how racist they may be.
QuiteWhittle
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Yeah it's possible, but many of the voters who helped usher in the 2006 Democratic wave were the same voters who voted for Trump. The Democratic Party wasn't dead to these people in 2006 and we controlled several southern and midwestern state legislatures and governorships. The amount of power and control Republicans wield today just seems insurmountable and entrenched.
Even if Trump is a Hoover-esque disaster who's to say the usual strategy of blaming Democrats, minorities, and Obama won't work again? Even if Trump is a Hoover-esque disaster and America completely turns against Republicans, we still have to live with the economic and political consequences of yesterday and you know what, I'd rather Trump have a roaring success of a presidency then be jobless, homeless, and/or dead. I cannot see the light at the end of this tunnel.
I feel like it's quite clear that Bernie style liberals can win back those rural white areas of the rust belt. It's where he did best during the primaries and the greater population very resoundingly said that anti-establishment is the end all be all trait in a candidate.
It did take the great depression to sell America on the new deal many years before. Trump's rhetoric against minorities and foreigners is great for starting wars but without one will be awful for the economy.
We have to believe that a new wave of leftist economic policy can serve the more common American (which still is white people) without inflaming racial and foreign animosity.
America once turned to attitudes that forged the new deal in crisis, Germany turned towards racial and foreign animosity.
We have to act decisively before it's too late.
It's bargaining.
Or testing. Who can tell, I'm still in anger.
Except that Bernie style liberals lost across the board. They lost everywhere, even in states the Dems carried handily.
They can repeal/amend the mandate portion relatively quickly. They can also change the rules regarding preexisting conditions and waiting periods. It might take a few months for it to trickle down, but it can be done before 2017 open enrollment. Then they can slowly repeal/amend a myriad of smaller rules and requirements for plans, from the administrative costs ratios and minimum coverage needed. It can be done, but it's unlikely we will go to a pre-ACA stage for a long time, if ever. Some smaller things like being on parents plan til 26 are too popular to cut, and not too costly if I understand correctly.
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