Is "the Clinton taint" anyone who didn't endorse the High Sanders?
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT15| Orange is the New Black
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balladofwindfishes
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Yea, let's not allow the most successful head of the DNC in our life times to be the head of the DNC again
Good move
Maybe then we can run progressives in Tennessee and totally absolutely win all the elections, forever!!!
During the huge Dem waves in 2006 and 2008, yep.
whyamihere
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Howard Dean was one of the most effective DNC chairs of all time and helped pave the way to Obama'a victory.
Or can no one who endorsed Clinton have a role in the party now?
Officerrob
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He supported Hillary over Bernie, that's all some of these Bernie people care about. You must be progressively pure and bow to the alter of Saint Bernie. It's getting legit scary
And_Gignac
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Yeah, here it comes. I cant at the absolute blindness of #StillWithHer people.
Sirpopopop
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On top of that they won't get my vote.
The only thing I will vote for is #CalExit.
Edit: Simply put, calling social issues "identity politics" is a vote killer for me. Let me be perfectly clear on this. They are the single most reason why I vote Democrat.
Multiple generations of all talk no action would do it.
Doc Holliday
SPOILER: Columbus finds America
metalslimer
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Howard Dean should get the job back.
GoldenEye 007
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Now that is dumb. Dean oversaw actual real results and improvements for downballot dems. That's the critical part here. Having a competent national strategy/infrastructure does not muscle out millenials, progressives, etc. It actually allows shit to get done.
balladofwindfishes
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Why do you believe Howard Dean shouldn't be head of the DNC?
Use your words. Give examples. Explain in clear detail why Howard Dean cannot and should not be head of the DNC
Challenge: Do so without using the word "Clinton" or "Establishment" because those are empty meaningless words.
VendettaRed07
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It really doesn't need to be pulled far left. Policy doesn't really matter, this election proved it. We need someone who is likable, relatable, and someone who people believe actually gives a shit and will try to make things better for people.
Gurl, Bernie is too busy running away from the Democrats and being an independent again, so
Seriously. Bernie isn't even claiming Democrat anymore.
Also "Neoliberal"
whyamihere
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So you don't understand what made Dean effective and want to marginalize any Clinton supporters from any party role.
Cool, it's Movement now. Let's not even run Sherrod Brown in 2020 we have to be ~pure~
Officerrob
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No, you are in absolute blindness because your head is completely up Bernie's ass
Dubbedinenglish
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Dean at least knows how to fight as an insurgent party. That's what we need.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
That's just mean, lol.
It's like asking a hipster why he likes vinyl over cd and dd, and not allowing him to say it sounds warmer.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
The GOP was the most divided it has been in a decade and still won.
Howard Dean is probably the most effective chair the DNC has ever had. So why not give him the job? Use actual words and sentences.
Officerrob
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Blah, blah, blah. What did he do for Bernie? That is literally how these people think. If you don't believe me go look at many of the replies to Dean's tweet on twitter
You are the problem.
whyamihere
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I personally would prefer Ellison because I think we need someone new (and of color), but good lord did Dean do a good job.
VendettaRed07
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There's a difference between someone like Dean who was competent and knew what he was doing and also chose to support Hillary and DWS, who was terrible at her job and got it due to her ties to Clinton and supremely fucked us with her incompetence.
He was quick to latch on to the D when he thought he could benefit from it, but as soon as he was rejected, he let go real fast.
Personally I'd rather not have someone doing it part-time, it does seem like a full-time gig.
In the face of his resume and documented successes, maybe if you actually gave a reason to not like Dean other than he likes Clinton your viewpoints might garner some respect?
balladofwindfishes
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Or the replies to this announcement on Reddit.
It's sad. Like, really sad. "Progressives" are terrible, terrible people. They have no clue how to do anything right.
Bernie Sanders was a mistake. I will continue to hold my grudge against him until the day he dies. If the Democrats have an identity crisis, I am directly blaming him.
benicillin
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Nice to see PoliGAF returning to the pre-election battle lines drawn between SandersGAF and HillaryGAF. I know it's a stressful time but this reads like a topic from early this year almost word for word. Get it together people.
Awful? It's based on reality. The country just gave the most far right Republican agenda majorities in every branch of government. Step outside a bit, I want a Democratic party that can get people elected in Missouri, Arkansas, West Virginia, Georgia. The GOP seems to manage it well enough in blue states.
Oh no, this is not some both sides bullshit right now. If you want to come in here you come in with an actual argument about something, Melkr has done nothing of the sort.
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Sanders said he'd continue to be an independent until he next ran because he was elected as an independent Senator and it would be unfair for him to do anything otherwise for the duration of what he has been elected for. He's already confirmed that when he runs for re-election in 2018, he'll be running as a Democrat.
But all of you know that, and are already retreating into the YAAS QUEEN bubble chamber that just got President Trump elected.
Joy, oh joy.
But all of you know that, and are already retreating into the YAAS QUEEN bubble chamber that just got President Trump elected.
Joy, oh joy.
GoldenEye 007
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Yeah I've been responding to some lol. They don't seem to be interested in discussion. Just pushing/liking their petition. I'm just asking them how would you explain Dean's success and the fact Ellison would be part-time.
Tulsi Gabbard looks good on paper but has a ton of skeletons in her closet courtesy of her family. For example, here's an article from 2015 out of Civil Beat, a fairly well-respected Hawaii political blog founded by Pierre Omidyar:
Krishna Cult Rumors Still Dog Tulsi Gabbard
Here's a claim: the Democratic Party should stand for and advocate equal rights for people of color.
It should be one of the largest points in their platform.
Who agrees with this, and who doesn't?
Officerrob
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I'd be fine with Ellison if he could do the job full-time, but he can't. The DNC needs to rebuilt, that's a full time job.
They all had a common enemy that was the center target for conservative media and news for 30-40 years with crazy and I'd argue some legitimate controversy always surrounding her.
Yes because changing his party in the middle of his term to run for president is totally something he told his constituents he'd be doing.
She's not even that good on paper. She's one of those "Obama never said islamic terrorism" people.
GoldenEye 007
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But Dean as DNC chair oversaw Obama and massive downballot Democratic gains. He's proven to be effective at his job. With no obvious baggage.
Whatever, as long as they are full-time and can direct the DNC to get back on track nationwide.
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When you say the largest points in their platform, do you mean the platform they govern on and try to implement, or the platform they campaign on nationally and forms the mainstay of their national message?
excelsiorlef
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Look, I'm fine with Ellison. But I think we need a full time DNC chair.
Cannot be repeated enough. This is not some fucking patronage job to groom some up and comer and give them with national fundraising connections. (I mean, DWS has been a complete and utter failure, but Kaine was guilty of this too)
ErasureAcer
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Thank you for knowing your facts and not spouting off the Anti-Bernie shit we've been hearing for the past years and a half. You are the revolution.
The two are not separable.
The fact that you ask that question pretty much clarifies exactly what I'm concerned about.
whyamihere
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Honestly the head of the Nevada Democratic Party should do it. I don't even know who they are. Give them the job.
A Human Becoming
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This. People need to get over themselves.
So you'll try to make the Republican Party more moderate instead of working with people in the party you disagree with when they're losing? Just quit now then.
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