I like how I and the two people who lost avatar bets to me are in the same post about candidates collapsing.
Remember when people expected more from rubio than minnesota and losing his home state?
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT3| You know what they say about big Michigans - big Florida
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The Lamonster
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FloydtheFathead
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Well at least they have the Packers..
BoboBrazil
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Jon Voight announces support for Trump http://variety.com/2016/biz/news/jon-voight-donald-trump-1201726524/
California on lock
California on lock
Isn't this debate focused on foreign policy and immigration? so it'll probably go pretty well for Clinton.
User 463088
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IF it is....of course that's the one i miss. Of course it is.
This mental image is amazing <3
You know, with Chris Christie in his pocket, I would have thought Trump would have sharpened his debate skills. NOPE. Man, if Trump were even slightly less dumb/lazy/cheap/thin-skinned I would actually be scared of him.
This contest is heating up, people! Horserace!
ItWasMeantToBe19
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"Honest"
Remember politicians. "Honest"=talks like I do, it has nothing to do with facts.
"I didn't vote for Iraq" + finger waving for 2 hours then.
The Lamonster
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I can't see him endorsing Rubio. Kasich would probably be his preferred choice, but he doesn't have a shot and a Jeb endorsement would do nothing for him. Lyin' Ted is the only plausible option.
BoboBrazil
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Then he continues to interrupt her every time she starts talking.
Retromelon
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I would have beat you if ben didn't suddenly think it was a good idea to bring up attacking his mom with a hammer. Nostradamus could not have forseen that twist
Basileus777
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I bet he doesn't endorse anyone.
BoboBrazil
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He's not going to endorse anyone other than Cruz when his brother just started working for Cruz's campaign.
Seriously?? That's fucking horrible. She's voting for Bernie but hates his Democratic challenger that bad? I'm sorry but that's just really poor. It's not like she was in a photo op with Donald Trump. Why would she even agree to it if she hates Hillary that bad?
savage
Bernie fans are the absolute worst. If I were in a photo op with Bernie I wouldn't trash him after the fact.
This kind of attitude frankly tells me they won't be loyal in November if she gets the nom. There's being bitter but this is just pure sabotage. You don't do this unless you genuinely hate someone.
Cesare Borgia
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I don't think Hillary's Obama association will help her in Illinois as much as advertised. She should win the state but there are similarities to Michigan in terms of the manufacturing losses and anger over trade. Then you have Chicago and other cities where Clinton's previous positions on criminal justice are ripe for attack. If I was Sanders' people I'd be tying Clinton to Emanuel 24/7. Nearly half of blacks and Hispanics in the state want him to resign over the police shooting video fiasco/cover up.
If Sanders can run up the white vote while decreasing black turning by driving up Clinton's negatives? Maybe. But still I'd expect the democrat machine there to churn out a win, especially post-Michigan.
If Sanders can run up the white vote while decreasing black turning by driving up Clinton's negatives? Maybe. But still I'd expect the democrat machine there to churn out a win, especially post-Michigan.
I bet you AFTER he brought that up. That was the whole reason I knew he would drop!
BoboBrazil
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Hillary lost due to 7% of democrats switching teams to try to stop Trump. As long as they smartened up it shouldn't happen again.
And_Gignac
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nah, it is going to go well for Sanders and his anti-interventionist agenda. That will appeal hispanics, which are the main target of this debate.
Hopefully Sanders talks about Nicaragua and stuff liek that.
All I know is that Clinton is totally getting muddled this time around.
savage
RUTHLESS.
I'm sorry but it's laughable to think all 7% were trying to stop Trump. Some of them probably support him.
shinra-bansho
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The NYT primary takeaways.
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Time to cartoon_soldier.
Diablos away.
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Oh wait nevermind, nothing has changed really.
BoboBrazil
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Well 100k people switched sides roughly, so when you lose by 18k votes it is rational to correlate the 2 things and assume that more than 18k switched to try and stop Trump.
Her Rahm associations are what could do her in. His ass is grass in Chicago.
Also the financial troubles the city and state as a whole is having could very well play into the vote. Could play into the city's (mostly unreasonable) fear of going the same way as Detroit.
shinra-bansho
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I'd just take every open primary poll result and reweight it so that independents are like 10% more of the electorate relative to Democrats. It would probably increase the youth vote indirectly as well.
Possibly. But not entirely. Even if you're right that's just a dumb fucking tactic.
Basileus777
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Everything is dead heat now.
shinra-bansho
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It kind of is if the electorate ends up being like 30% independents like Michigan and he keeps winning like 70% of them.
It means she needs to win circa 60%+ of Democrats to win.
Polling is only as good as how representative it is. And they got it way off in Michigan.
JetBlackPanda
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That Bernie supporter bread picture is crazy. The post isn't even political really. fucking Bernie supporters need to class up.
RustyNails
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Yea as someone who lives in cook county the worst people in history are 1) hitler 2) rahm.
And a portion of both groups probably would've voted for sanders anyway
The Lamonster
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Seeing lots of the bread photo on my FB feed. Really seems to hit a chord with Bernie supporters. I guess it plays right into his message of 'standing up' to the wealthy, entitled establishment.
But in reality she should be saying, "thanks for the compliment and the free publicity!" No one asked who she was voting for.
But in reality she should be saying, "thanks for the compliment and the free publicity!" No one asked who she was voting for.
brainchild
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This is a pretty salient point. What's going to matter more when looking at polls in the future is the proportions of the political parties that make up the electorate.
It's really not. Her employer doesn't have the right to force her to help promote a candidate she doesn't support. Period.
Wait, what? For what?
Coriolanus
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She's an employee and they didn't get her permission.
Hills fucked up man. its a minor thing. just accept it and let it go.
The Republican National Committee on Wednesday filed two lawsuits in federal court seeking records and emails of Hillary Clinton and her colleagues at the State Department.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-...ry-clinton-email-lawsuit-220493#ixzz42RTvpyzu
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JetBlackPanda
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Is that what happened? Did she not know she was serving Hillary and being photographed doing it?
if so I understand that.
Poodlestrike
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Honestly, considering that she widened her delegate lead even more yesterday...
This might be a good thing for Hillary?
Wait, wait, stay with me here. And stop laughing, dammit.
Think about how many Democrats crossed over to vote in the Republican primary, or how many Hillary supporters stayed home in Michigan because they thought she had this? With the level of uncertainty surrounding her polling right now, the idea that every vote really does count is going to hold more weight, while at the same time, Sanders' position didn't actually improve measurably.
This might be a good thing for Hillary?
Wait, wait, stay with me here. And stop laughing, dammit.
Think about how many Democrats crossed over to vote in the Republican primary, or how many Hillary supporters stayed home in Michigan because they thought she had this? With the level of uncertainty surrounding her polling right now, the idea that every vote really does count is going to hold more weight, while at the same time, Sanders' position didn't actually improve measurably.
RustyNails
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Because they allege she has not turned over the emails, text messages, etc to a foia request. They also want to see if mediamatters was in the tank for Hillary in that suit lol
I say this is the best thing that will happen to her. They politicized the fuck out of it now.
You're right. But his point was dont be stuck up. If that were me, and hell if Ted Cruz or Rubio even showed up (let alone Bernie), I wouldn't be a petty little fuck.
That's true. I wasn't trying to comment on his motivations. Only the predictable consequences of his campaign's decisions. There could be any number of reasons he's doing what he's doing.
brainchild
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Frankly, I find this attitude disgusting. Even without the 'I am voting for Bernie' qualifier, or the possibility that her political affiliation may be misconstrued, she has the right to ask for that picture to be taken down if they posted it without her permission.
This is just common sense and I'm frankly surprised that this is even being debated on a forum like neogaf.
brainchild
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If other states have an electorate with a significant amount of independents who can vote in the primaries, Michigan may not be an outlier at all.
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