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[Box of Kittens]

Obama's approvals are definitely good news. The more popular he is the more effective he'll be as a surrogate on the campaign trail.

It also really puts into perspective the narrative that the electorate is angry and hence the Democrats have to nominate Sanders to have a chance. The Republican base is angry, yes. But you can't draw inferences about the electorate as a whole from that. The idea that, as a matter of campaign strategy, we need to run away from a popular president is baffling.

 

[Iolo]

BTW, calling Obama's decisions 11th dimensional chess may really be a mistake.

What we need is a term for the GOP decisions being 11th dimensional chess...only in reverse.

I have no idea what this is but it needs a name.

"Stop hitting yourself"

 

[Makai]

LOLOLOLOL.

The GOP Meltdown is classiest, most luxurious, most glorious of all meltdowns.

Holy shit. WTF guys. Party breakup actually looking plausible now.

 

[Suikoguy]

Bernie is losing because he didn't try to court the Obama coalition

And because Hillary did, she is the much stronger general election candidate.

That was linked to me and it made a lot of sense. And it was written before any votes had been cast.

Some good quotes in there:

This anti-socialist propaganda is effective precisely because it's tailored towards ppl whose bigotry prevents them from sharing and caring.
It's like folk just can't accept how effective welfare queen and 47% imagery has been at dissuading the White electorate against socialism.
...
For the umpteenth time, systemic racism is the number one reason why we don't have socialism in America. It ain't the banks or the 1%ers.

It really cuts to the heart of the Dem primary. And in some ways it's encouraging for the long-term prospects. Sanders supporters views are not "wrong" but the way they view the world is different in that they don't understand History as well as they should (IE, Social Security not being for Black People). They think if they could just explain how it would work, people will fall in line, the problem is racism trumps logic (and yes, that was intentional). In some ways it's privilege, but the fact they are willing to share their privilege is encouraging, they just don't understand the opposition.

So Sanders supporters, I think I understand more of where you are coming from. I hope you are able to see what the country has gone through, and the number of people from that time that are still around.

 

[Ondore]

LOLOLOLOL.

The GOP Meltdown is classiest, most luxurious, most glorious of all meltdowns.

...please proceed, GOP.

 

[ampere]

This is going to be a complete disaster. Just reading comments from conservative websites today that carried that "Boehner supports Paul Ryan for President" article...those people were furious about this even being a consideration. "I'll stay home and vote for nobody" was the common theme.

I hope they do stay home

The point about Killer Mike was amazing

I mean... it's so damn true. Obama would have been eviscerated for having a rapper campaign with him. I really wonder what Obama does post presidency where he can be as they said about Beyonce... "unapologetically black".

 

[Basileus777]

I bolded the important bit. This is an interesting legal wrinkle -- that would mean all delegates bound to current candidates would have to keep their current vote, but all delegates bound to suspended candidates would be able to change their vote. If all the candidates except Trump and one other have dropped out by then, they could use that opportunity to force Trump to lose.

It doesn't sound very plausible for enough delegates to agree to that to give someone else a majority on the first ballot. Your first point contradicts such a thing as being plausible. It actually sounds like such a thing would favor Trump if he was short and could persuade enough unbound delegates to push him over on the first ballot.

 

[Sianos]

A) Ok that Trump Instagram video on Hilary is fucked up but still hilarious

B) When did "11th dimensional chess" become a meme? Why did we skip the 4th-10th dimensions?

C) Man, the Sanders campaign is getting desperate. I understand why but its not a good look :/

A) Your first look into general election trump - "hehe she's a woman and she's barking like a dog, you know what that means ))" - so much for the fabled Trump pivot.

B) M-theory is super rad, that's why!

C) Yeah, I'm glad his campaign's helping to drag the Overton window back to the left, but it's starting to look like sadly his campaign doesn't have long-term planning and prioritization of the forward march of progress as a top priority. I hope Sanders does the right thing and fully endorses the Democratic nominee.

 

[Coriolanus]

Right
cliff's notes

In order to get some special judicial prerrogatives, the idea of making Lula a minister was being floated around. Obv everybody knew that that was just a shitty way to make him avoid the prosecutors that were on his case, but there was no hard proof, since dudes could always claim that they'd give him the job for the good of the country and crap like that. Was the kind of wink wink nudge nudge shit that one could get away with, if one were completely idiotic and absolutely desperate. If you fucked, might as well double down.

Today it was announced that Lula would indeed become a minister. Heck, that he'd get the most important ministerial position in the country.

Shortly after that, a wiretap was made public via the courts, and it was a chat between the president and lula, and it makes it pretty clear that dodging justice was indeed why Lula would become minister.

They are well and truly fucked.

Hope palace security is on point today, because those fools are genuinely at risk of being lynched.

Exciting times. Shame that the alternatives left standing are legit A Guy That Thinks The Military Dictatorship Was Totes Awesome (torture and murder explicitly included) and another guy that belongs to the party with the most politicians prosecuted for corruption in the country.

 

[Jarmel]

LOLOLOLOL.

The GOP Meltdown is classiest, most luxurious, most glorious of all meltdowns.

National Guard going to be busy that week.

 

[B-Dubs]

Holy shit. WTF guys. Party breakup actually looking plausible now.

No matter what they choose the GOP as we know it has been killed this cycle.

 

[Hexa]

Can't Stump the Trump VXXI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lK6pz_nktM

 

[Suikoguy]

No matter what they choose the GOP as we know it has been killed this cycle.

Their path of least shit long term is to give trump the nomination. Let him lose really big, and say I told you so. Take the opportunity to reform the party messaging and move a bit to the left.
If you take it away from him, in 4 years it will probably be worse, since whoever the GOP runs in his place will also lose.

 

[B-Dubs]

Bernie is losing because he didn't try to court the Obama coalition

And because Hillary did, she is the much stronger general election candidate.

That was linked to me and it made a lot of sense. And it was written before any votes had been cast.

That's the straight truth, damn.

 

[Sianos]

No matter what they choose the GOP as we know it has been killed this cycle.

The question is whether they will go quietly or try to put up one more - ultimately pointless, but certainly a spectacle - fight.

It seems like they a posturing for a final fight at the convention.

 

[Makai]

No matter what they choose the GOP as we know it has been killed this cycle.

Changing their platform is one thing. They're trying to go back to single party rule or something.

 

[RustyNails]

LOLOLOLOL.

The GOP Meltdown is classiest, most luxurious, most glorious of all meltdowns.

Holy shit this is not the onion? Is it happening?

 

[BanGy.nz]

National Guard going to be busy that week.

Can you imagine if John Kasich had to call in the National Guard on his own parties convention? ^_^

 

[Black Mamba]

Holy shit this is not the onion? Is it happening?

Let us dispel this notion that Republican Party knows exactly what it's doing.


No, really, they don't. They are confused. The so call "intellectuals" in the party have turned out to be a charade and they're wandering aimlessly.

 

[danm999]

Holy shit this is not the onion? Is it happening?

 

[TheLostBigBoss]

Can you imagine if John Kasich had to call in the National Guard on his own parties convention? ^_^

"Donald Trump and Ted Cruz were arrested for inciting riots at the GOP National Convention"

"There for there is no other candidate viable for the nomination other than I, John Kasich, thank you for your support"

 

[Grief.exe]

Got a new book

 

[Owzers]

Bernie staying in the race makes sense, it's time for a delegate revolution.

 

[Abinash117]

Some good quotes in there:




It really cuts to the heart of the Dem primary. And in some ways it's encouraging for the long-term prospects. Sanders supporters views are not "wrong" but the way they view the world is different in that they don't understand History as well as they should (IE, Social Security not being for Black People). They think if they could just explain how it would work, people will fall in line, the problem is racism trumps logic (and yes, that was intentional). In some ways it's privilege, but the fact they are willing to share their privilege is encouraging, they just don't understand the opposition.

So Sanders supporters, I think I understand more of where you are coming from. I hope you are able to see what the country has gone through, and the number of people from that time that are still around.

I extremely doubt that the biggest reason socialism isn't in America is because of old White dudes is keeping it out. It seems like the Democrats as a whole isn't very much interested in it and only interested in expanding in places they can.

Capitalism is cultural part of America and both parties very much still believe in it( and I doubt the government can handle the pressure of a huge economic welfare state.). Many young people have a better view of socialism, but again I doubt that'll transfer to votes in elections all that much. If anything I think the US will continue on from this current system( as there will be more trade deals and I think that corporations will have less influence in politics, but nobody is going to take immense amount of power away from them elsewhere. The corporations economic influence is one of the reasons that the US is powerful as it is.) but it will evolve somewhat, like with more worker's rights and affordable healthcare, but not necessary a bigger welfare state.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

Hi everyone. Firstly, I want to thank everyone in this thread for helping me get way more informed about politics, I know way more about basically everything than I did about 3 months ago.

Secondly, I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask, but does anyone know of any places where I could do some research on Souter? From what I've read on his Wikipedia page and comments in random places I've found him super interesting but I'm not really sure where I'd do any more in depth research into him.

 

[PBY]

Got a new book

So I listened to the author on Slate's Gabfest, seemed okay-ish... how is the book itself?

 

[excelsiorlef]

Bernie staying in the race makes sense, it's time for a delegate revolution.

Indeed democracy is part of the establishment

 

[blackaroni]

I think I prefer Samantha Bee's humor way more over Oliver's. I think Oliver balances his show towards more jokes over the issues but it doesn't work as well for me.

They're both better than Trevor Noah. I wish Jon was still around to cover all of this fuckery.

Got a new book

I bought that the other day too because I saw an interview of hers. Haven't started reading it yet, but it should be good.

 

[Paskil]

Bernie is losing because he didn't try to court the Obama coalition

And because Hillary did, she is the much stronger general election candidate.

That was linked to me and it made a lot of sense. And it was written before any votes had been cast.

Dang, dropping straight truth bombs.

 

[Grief.exe]

So I listened to the author on Slate's Gabfest, seemed okay-ish... how is the book itself?

You might have to give me a couple days on that one.

 

[Kangi]

Everything about Samantha Bee is perfect.

https://twitter.com/FullFrontalSamB/status/710112013310140416/photo/1

Didn't hear about #SmileForJoe until now. I gotta find that old "Hillary presidency sexism bingo card".

 

[CygnusXS]

I extremely doubt that the biggest reason socialism isn't in America is because of old White dudes is keeping it out. It seems like the Democrats as a whole isn't very much interested in it and only interested in expanding in places they can.

Capitalism is cultural part of America and both parties very much still believe in it( and I doubt the government can handle the pressure of a huge economic welfare state.). Many young people have a better view of socialism, but again I doubt that'll transfer to votes in elections all that much. If anything I think the US will continue on from this current system( as there will be more trade deals and I think that corporations will have less influence in politics, but nobody is going to take immense amount of power away from them elsewhere. The corporations economic influence is one of the reasons that the US is powerful as it is.) but it will evolve somewhat, like with more worker's rights and affordable healthcare, but not necessary a bigger welfare state.

OTOH, the Progressive's Dilemma is a real thing that's been measured.

 

[gaugebozo]

So bernieBros are saying they aren't going to vote for HIllary. I hate petty nonsense like that.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-g...ernie-sanders-not-vote-hillary_b_9475626.html

Three guesses on who wrote the article. First two don't count.

This was a long time ago, but I have to let someone know that this article is straight garbage from the first sentence.

honestly, it's a great strategy. give the Intercept credit -- they caught on pretty quick to a rabid audience that would click anything and everything related to Bernie, particularly positive. Goodman's laughing all the way to the bank (irony alert).

He's a journalist, so I'm pretty sure that's not where he's going.

 

[Dominican Power]

I think I prefer Samantha Bee's humor way more over Oliver's. I think Oliver balances his show towards more jokes over the issues but it doesn't work as well for me.

I love Samantha. I wish she was the host of TDS. She's an extension of John.

 

[sc0la]

That Obama coalition tweet storm was great.

The point about Killer Mike was amazing

Yep something I pointed out as soon as his endorsement hit "this is really cool! Shame Obama could NEVER have done something like that"

 

[Plinko]

House Speaker Paul Ryan, who decided not to run for the White House this year, said in a CNBC interview Tuesday he won't categorically rule out accepting the GOP nomination if a deadlocked convention were to turn to him. But on Wednesday, a Ryan spokeswoman said the speaker would not accept a Republican nomination for president at a divided convention.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/16/we-choose-the-nominee-not-the-voters-senior-gop-official.html

I didn't see this earlier.

 

[rodvik]

Changing their platform is one thing. They're trying to go back to single party rule or something.

They not capable of change.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/16/we-choose-the-nominee-not-the-voters-senior-gop-official.html

I didn't see this earlier.

I really think that if someone other than Trump or Cruz gets the nomination, they have to worry about an assassination attempt from one of Trump's supporters. It's going to be legitimately dangerous.

 

[GnawtyDog]

Trump effectively canceling a GOP debate by his will.

Such control.

 

[Plinko]

I really think that if someone other than Trump or Cruz gets the nomination, they have to worry about an assassination attempt from one of Trump's supporters. It's going to be legitimately dangerous.

Here's the thing: I don't even understand who in the world they could pick.

Jeb, Carson, Huckabee, Rubio, Kasich, Cruz should all be out--the voters rejected them already. Nobody is uniting behind somebody who recently lost.

Everyone else either lost last round (Romney) or spent absolutely zero money and time earning the nomination. I honestly can't think of one person that people would say, "Hey, you know what? We'll all unite behind this candidate."

It makes absolutely no sense to pull the rug out from under the voters. None.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Cruz overacts in everything:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7GgrTMzFIQ

Kasich is really creepy:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/k...en-to-a-pulp/article/2586001?custom_click=rss

 

[superdeluxe]

How would dems feel about Tom Perez as VP for Hillary? To

 

[PBY]

Kasich is really creepy:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/k...en-to-a-pulp/article/2586001?custom_click=rss

"Here's the problem you read these stories in the paper that I mentioned about the young women who are—do you have a sister?" Kasich asked.

"No," the child replied.

"OK, but let me say that the young women who are, imagine taking somebody you love who's a woman and taking her somewhere and having some evil man just beat her to a living pulp. I mean that's just wrong."

 

[QuiteWhittle]

How would dems feel about Tom Perez as VP for Hillary? To

I'd probably like him but some progressives would likely take issue with his TPP advocacy.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

That time when Cruz screamed at a bunch of Palestinian Christians and then turned it into part of his stump speech:

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/coppage/ted-cruz-crashes-defense-of-christians-summit/

 

[Bowdz]

How would dems feel about Tom Perez as VP for Hillary? To

I would have no issue with him whatsoever. I'm happy with Kaine, Perez, or (provided Christie is not the VP) Castro.

 

[superdeluxe]

I'd probably like him but some progressives would likely take issue with his TPP advocacy.

Was reading about him, says many progressives like him and Ekizabeth Warren is fond of him. He also has a lot of love from the unions.

 

[Frank the Great]

How would dems feel about Tom Perez as VP for Hillary? To

Seems like a solid choice to me.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Kenneth P. Vogel ‏@kenvogel 22s23 seconds ago
Trump "will not be shopping oppo to @nytimes or @politico...He will just vomit it out," says Plouffe. "He's going to dominate coverage." 2/2
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Kenneth P. Vogel ‏@kenvogel 2m2 minutes ago
"The challenge Trump will present to Clinton is that he will say anything about Clinton or her husband at any time," says @davidplouffe. 1/2

Kenneth P. Vogel ‏@kenvogel 9m9 minutes ago
"The way that Hillary Clinton losses...is if she just misses her mark with young voters, African Americans and Latinos," says @davidplouffe.

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[Grexeno]

How exactly is she going to miss the mark with those groups against DONALD FUCKING TRUMP