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[PantherLotus]

So is overreacting. No one wants him to be president, but acting like the world will break out in nuclear war is just silly.

I love that you want a coherent conversation around the dangers of electing a demagogue literally, actually stoking racial anxiety, begging for violence, and promising riots and dismissing it as a fear of nuclear war. There are a thousand paper cuts far too deep to a democracy of this sort before we get that far. Dismissing it as fear over the big red button might help you sleep at night, but it doesn't resolve the very real issue of:

holy fuck at least 30% of this country is so fucking racist they'd elect a dipshit like Trump to make a point

if that seriously doesn't make you sweat, i want some of what you're having. puff puff pass dumbass.

 

[HUELEN10]

I love that you want a coherent conversation around the dangers of electing a demagogue literally, actually stoking racial anxiety, begging for violence, and promising riots and dismissing it as a fear of nuclear war. There are a thousand paper cuts far too deep to a democracy of this sort before we get that far. Dismissing it as fear over the big red button might help you sleep at night, but it doesn't resolve the very real issue of:

holy fuck at least 30% of this country is so fucking racist they'd elect a dipshit like Trump to make a point

if that seriously doesn't make you sweat, i want some of what you're having. puff puff pass dumbass.

30'percent of the nation racist?

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Did anybody notice that Trump mentioned "rape" right after several shots of black protesters in that latest campaign ad? Jesus Christ.

Trump 2016: You may not have noticed the racism, but your brain did

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

I love that you want a coherent conversation around the dangers of electing a demagogue literally, actually stoking racial anxiety, begging for violence, and promising riots and dismissing it as a fear of nuclear war. There are a thousand paper cuts far too deep to a democracy of this sort before we get that far. Dismissing it as fear over the big red button might help you sleep at night, but it doesn't resolve the very real issue of:

holy fuck at least 30% of this country is so fucking racist they'd elect a dipshit like Trump to make a point

if that seriously doesn't make you sweat, i want some of what you're having. puff puff pass dumbass.

It's as if you've just come to the realization that the country is full of racists. It's not like Trump is creating more of them--he'd never need to. It doesn't make me more worried than say, the same 30% of people who were so racist that they WOULDN'T vote for Obama.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Remember that time when Ted Cruz went and talked about how much he loves white supremacists?

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/03/23/3637387/ted-cruzs-jesse-helms-problem/

Cruz really hasn't had any media vetting and I think that's going to start soon.

 

[Iolo]

Trump 2016: The Military Won't Refuse My Illegal Orders, Believe Me

Trump 2016: Shining Shitshow on the Hill

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Not the world, the economy.

In that case, "Ted Cruz elected president" should top the list. He wants to put America on the gold standard.

 

[danm999]

Trump 2016: The Military Won't Refuse My Illegal Orders, Believe Me

Trump 2016: Shining Shitshow on the Hill

Trump 2016: Paul Ryan will get along great with him or pay a very big price.

 

[royalan]

The Trump presidency fears are so overblown. Presidents don't legislate, so he can't unilaterally create laws. Trump is too shrewd to ruin foreign relations with countries that matter. He's not going to go to war with significant world powers, any situation he puts us into would be no worse than what Bush did and Obama continued. His potential supreme court nominations could set back several things for a few years, for sure, but assuming he's one term it's theoretically possible he may not get any. Things will suck. Collapse of the country? Horseshit.

The President is more than just the man, it's also his cabinet. And I'm not naive enough to believe that Donald Trump, in conjunction with the loons he's likely to pick to head his administration, couldn't do a world of hurt...literally.

Add to this the fact that the world is currently in the middle of another terrorist freak-out, and I imagine that all it would take is another major world event for a demagogue like Trump to leverage it to do almost whatever the hell he wants. I mean, were we asleep during the Bush years?

 

[TheLaughingStock]

Trump 2016: The Military Won't Refuse My Illegal Orders, Believe Me

Trump 2016: Shining Shitshow on the Hill

It's not illegal if you send a memo arguing that it's legal first. You're good for awhile.

 

[NeoXChaos]

the red/blue state position is interesting. I'm from a red state and I still vote D for President. If everyone felt their state could not go the other way it actually would.

 

[User 463088]

Someone on Kos was saying there was a new poll of Utah showing Hillary with a lead. I can't find it, not do I think you can really poll a cactus well. The last poll from there I could find was a poll from the end of Feb where she was up 51/44.

 

[Iolo]

Someone on Kos was saying there was a new poll of Utah showing Hillary with a lead. I can't find it, not do I think you can really poll a cactus well. The last poll from there I could find was a poll from the end of Feb where she was up 51/44.

Yes I've heard polling a cactus can get prickly

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

The President is more than just the man, it's also his cabinet. And I'm not naive enough to believe that Donald Trump, in conjunction with the loons he's likely to pick to head his administration, couldn't do a world of hurt...literally.

Add to this the fact that the world is currently in the middle of another terrorist freak-out, and I imagine that all it would take is another major world event for a demagogue like Trump to leverage it to do almost whatever the hell he wants. I mean, were we asleep during the Bush years?

Right, for some reason I thought cabinet level appointments were approved by congress first. Well, both parties love Trump so much they may as well not be, he'll get every one of them through right away.

 

[User 463088]

Yes I've heard polling a cactus can get prickly

Haha. Sorry. Theresa reason I don't post on my phone or tablet often sauce.

 

[B-Dubs]

Rumblings that Rubio will endorse Cruz tomorrow

What the fuck world am I even living in anymore?

 

[shem935]

Also I love the dismissal of trump putting at minimum 2 nominations on the court as something that would only set us back a few years. Like no, that's decades of problems and setbacks at a minimum. And I can't even imagine who he would nominate to the court.

 

[danm999]

What the fuck world am I even living in anymore?

Rubio is going to need one of those millions of high paying jobs Cruz is promising.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

Honestly, I do think the fears of Trump are somewhat overblown, in that most of the rest of the government is absolutely not going to go along with his absurd policies. Congress will never sign a trade deal that requires Mexico to pay for a wall or be sanctioned, never pass legislation to loosen libel laws, never propose a healthcare plan that would keep the good parts of Obamacare while paying for it only with HSAs and interstate insurance sales. His rhetoric is the most dangerous part of a potential presidency, and even that is, I think, eminently counterable in the grassroots. A Trump presidency would be a disaster, but I think anybody worried that he might actually achieve fascism is just not thinking.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Remember that time when Ted Cruz went and talked about how much he loves white supremacists?

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/03/23/3637387/ted-cruzs-jesse-helms-problem/

Cruz really hasn't had any media vetting and I think that's going to start soon.

So much stuff out there with this and the death to gays stuff. His dad is also bat shit insane. No telling what else is out there.

 

[Iolo]

Haha. Sorry. Theresa reason I don't post on my phone or tablet often sauce.

It's ok. I can't find any more recent poll where she is in the lead after Feb 22, either. And don't call me Theresa.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

Honestly, I do think the fears of Trump are somewhat overblown, in that most of the rest of the government is absolutely not going to go along with his absurd policies. Congress will never sign a trade deal that requires Mexico to pay for a wall or be sanctioned, never pass legislation to loosen libel laws, never propose a healthcare plan that would keep the good parts of Obamacare while paying for it only with HSAs and interstate insurance sales. His rhetoric is the most dangerous part of a potential presidency, and even that is, I think, eminently counterable in the grassroots. A Trump presidency would be a disaster, but I think anybody worried that he might actually achieve fascism is just not thinking.

This is basically exactly what I am getting at.

Also I love the dismissal of trump putting at minimum 2 nominations on the court as something that would only set us back a few years. Like no, that's decades of problems and setbacks at a minimum. And I can't even imagine who he would nominate to the court.

Who dismissed it? It will suck, and hard.

Still not going to cause worldwide catastrophe.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Like , I know there's a drunk thread on hers, but j can't find it because I'm drunk. So I'm just gonna post in here if that's ok with everybody

I was enjoying Guinness today until I saw Paul Ryan on tv drinking it too. I immidiately had to switch to something else

 

[shem935]

This is basically exactly what I am getting at.



Who dismissed it? It will suck, and hard.

Still not going to cause worldwide catastrophe.

You did when you said "Trump nominees to the Supreme Court would suck but they would only set us back a few years." Maybe dismiss is the wrong word but underplaying the consequences might be.

No one is claiming his presidency would be world ending. However electing a racist, bigot, proto fascist, that is currently stoking flames of hatred to catapult himself to the highest office of the land, is not something I or anyone with any sense of consequence should be trying to hand wave away as "not world ending". Like yeah we get it, life will go on, but we as a people and a nation will have regressed drastically in policy and public discourse.

 

[Box of Kittens]

Chicago Democratic primary results, broken down by ward and precinct.

Not surprisingly, Clinton won every black-plurality ward while Sanders took the majority of white-plurality wards (exceptions were most of the lakefront wards). Sanders took all but one of the Hispanic-plurality wards.

Here's the Republican results.

Trump won all the Hispanic-plurality wards and most of the black-plurality wards, while Kasich did best among white-plurality wards (Trump still won the majority of those). It's kind of impressive how few Republican votes there are in many of the South and West side wards. Many precincts had no Republican votes at all.

 

[Iolo]

2015: Trump will never be the nominee
2016: Trump will never be the president
2017: Trump will never get his programs through Congress, he only won 51% of the vote
2018: Trump will never pack the court with friendly judges
2019: Trump will never declare martial law after that terrorist attack
2020: The military would never obey Trump's illegal orders

 

[sc0la]

It's ok. I can't find any more recent poll where she is in the lead after Feb 22, either. And don't call me Theresa.

Shirley you must be kidding?

 

[royalan]

Honestly, I do think the fears of Trump are somewhat overblown, in that most of the rest of the government is absolutely not going to go along with his absurd policies. Congress will never sign a trade deal that requires Mexico to pay for a wall or be sanctioned, never pass legislation to loosen libel laws, never propose a healthcare plan that would keep the good parts of Obamacare while paying for it only with HSAs and interstate insurance sales. His rhetoric is the most dangerous part of a potential presidency, and even that is, I think, eminently counterable in the grassroots. A Trump presidency would be a disaster, but I think anybody worried that he might actually achieve fascism is just not thinking.

I don't think anybody is seriously thinking that a Trump presidency would result in WW3

Spoiler

although, with pretty much every major world power having a stake in the goings on in the Middle East right now, we can't necessarily rule it out, either...

But it's not outrageous to think that Trump and his overall idiocy will be a danger to our sensitive economy, will set the US back years on domestic issues (especially if he gets to appoint Supreme Court justices), and make us a bigger global laughing stock than we already are, so good with any international dealings.

People think he'll be able to leverage his business prowess as President and be effective. But I'm looking at a bunch of bankrupt casinos in Atlantic City, and I'm just not seeing it.

There's plenty to be scared of here...even if it's not the world literally blowing up. At best the brakes on the progress we've made under Obama would be pumped; at worse, we'd be blown back a few feet. Both are terrifying prospects to me.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

2015: Trump will never be the nominee
2016: Trump will never be the president
2017: Trump will never get his programs through Congress, he only won 51% of the vote
2018: Trump will never pack the court with friendly judges
2019: Trump will never declare martial law after that terrorist attack
2020: The military would never obey Trump's illegal orders

This is the scenario I'm worried about.

Cowardly hacks like Alito could be willing to allow Trump to expand the powers of the presidency in "urgent situations" and that would be very bad...

Clarence Thomas, you ridiculously sexist, impossibly conservative asshole, you're our only hope against fascism and, holy shit, we're fucked.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

You did when you said "Trump nominees to the Supreme Court would suck but they would only set us back a few years." No one is claiming his presidency would be world ending. However electing a racist, bigot, proto fascist, that is currently stoking flames of hatred to catapult himself to the highest office of the land, is not something I or anyone with any sense of consequence should be trying to hand wave away as "not world ending". Like yeah we get it, life will go on, but we as a people and a nation will have regressed drastically in policy and public discourse.

Yes, but that is not an overblown fear. Saying his presidency is one of the biggest threats to the world is. I've seen people say it will cause economic collapse. I've seen people say it will be world war. The country will become fascist. So yes, basically some people claim it would be catastrophic. The implications of a change of political leaning of the supreme court is scary. No one is dismissing that. I'm dismissing all of the other bull.

 

[PantherLotus]

I do think you're vastly underestimating the legitimization of hate from a position of power.

 

[Fox318]

I'd take Trump over Cruz.

No question.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

I do think you're vastly underestimating the legitimization of hate from a position of power.

I think it's already been legitimized in those peoples heads for a long time.

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

I've started the long process in becoming a delegate at the RNC!

 

[BoboBrazil]

I'd take Trump over Cruz.

No question.

Trump is willing to negotiate and would do some decent things for people or atleast try to. His whole family loves him and people say he's a totally different person with cameras off. He just turns his personality to 10 for the camera. Ted Cruz is a shithead that's hated by everyone that has met him.

 

[pigeon]

Chicago Democratic primary results, broken down by ward and precinct.

Not surprisingly, Clinton won every black-plurality ward while Sanders took the majority of white-plurality wards (exceptions were most of the lakefront wards). Sanders took all but one of the Hispanic-plurality wards.

Here's the Republican results.

Trump won all the Hispanic-plurality wards and most of the black-plurality wards, while Kasich did best among white-plurality wards (Trump still won the majority of those). It's kind of impressive how few Republican votes there are in many of the South and West side wards. Many precincts had no Republican votes at all.

Something similar was actually a short-lived scandal in 2012. A few Republican blogs were posting about how there was obvious election fraud in Pennsylvania. Their evidence was that some precincts recorded zero votes for Mitt Romney.

That's obviously fraud, right? There's no way that there wouldn't be even a single person in a poor black precinct who would cast their vote for the Republican candidate, right?

 

[Macho Madness]

Trump 2016: He would do some decent things

Trump 2016: Some people say he's nice

Trump 2016: Well at least he's not Ted Cruz

 

[Abinash117]

The Trump presidency fears are so overblown. Presidents don't legislate, so he can't unilaterally create laws. Trump is too shrewd to ruin foreign relations with countries that matter. He's not going to go to war with significant world powers, any situation he puts us into would be no worse than what Bush did and Obama continued. His potential supreme court nominations could set back several things for a few years, for sure, but assuming he's one term it's theoretically possible he may not get any. Things will suck. Collapse of the country? Horseshit.

Then why vote for him if there's a better chance of getting some liberal policies when voting for Hillary?

 

[Fox318]

Trump is willing to negotiate and would do some decent things for people or atleast try to. His whole family loves him and people say he's a totally different person with cameras off. He just turns his personality to 10 for the camera. Ted Cruz is a shithead that's hated by everyone that has met him.

Right now I see trump taking advantage of an audience that traditionally doesn't have a voice in politics where as Cruz belives all I'd the shit he says.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Trump 2016: He would do some decent things

Trump 2016: Some people say he's nice

Trump 2016: Well at least he's not Ted Cruz

You work with what you have lol I can't think of any redeemable quality of a Ted Cruz presidency lol

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

Then why vote for him if there's a better chance of getting some liberal policies when voting for Hillary?

You'd have to ask someone who is planning on voting for Trump to figure that out.

 

[bodyofanamerican]

Does Jill Stein floating a Bernie alliance mean anything? Forgive the source.

nevermind. Banned source. Sorry!

 

[Box of Kittens]

Something similar was actually a short-lived scandal in 2012. A few Republican blogs were posting about how there was obvious election fraud in Pennsylvania. Their evidence was that some precincts recorded zero votes for Mitt Romney.

That's obviously fraud, right? There's no way that there wouldn't be even a single person in a poor black precinct who would cast their vote for the Republican candidate, right?

I remember Dean Chambers (the Unskewed Polls guy) was a big proponent of that theory.

 

[Abinash117]

You'd have to ask someone who is planning on voting for Trump to figure that out.

I'm asking you, unless you are playing on not voting at all.

 

[Cerium]

It's a troll page. But art imitates life.

 

[AbortedWalrusFetus]

I'm asking you, unless you are playing on not voting at all.

Not sure I'd vote for Clinton. If it looked like Trump actually had a shot I might have to. Otherwise I'd go third party or write in.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Nate Cohn flat out saying that a sufficiently large win in Puerto Rico, let alone NY or Mid-Atlantic Tuesday, could wipe out any delegate gains Sanders makes in the next month as we move around several small caucuses

 

[B-Dubs]

Nate Cohn basically implying that a sufficiently large win in Puerto Rico, let alone NY or Mid-Atlantic Tuesday, could wipe out any delegate gains Sanders makes in the next month as we move around several small caucuses

It's not an implication when he comes out and says it.

 

[theprodigy]

Nate Cohn flat out saying that a sufficiently large win in Puerto Rico, let alone NY or Mid-Atlantic Tuesday, could wipe out any delegate gains Sanders makes in the next month as we move around several small caucuses

I found this:

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/710686765724504064

The Texas home state dummy cost Trump 6.5 points. The Ohio dummy cost him 6.4 points. The Florida dummy? 0. Poor Marco.

LMAO

 

[eBay Huckster]

It's not an implication when he comes out and says it.

yeah i'm not sure why i didn't read it properly

Spoiler

probably has something to do with being awake for 21 hours. i should stop doing that

also :jnc at harry enten just now

Heading to Massachusetts soon or as the Progressive Democrats of America call it, the Confederacy...