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[Holmes]

I better get laid tonight for missing this. All I'm saying.

Get it!

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Damn, huge applause for repudiating Hillary's vigilante claims.

 

[Razorskin]

LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT!

 

[GnawtyDog]

I'll be avoid OT political threads dealing with Bernie and Hillary for a while. I can't take the egos and e-peen stroking lol.

Hehe..

 

[MysticDistance]

Wow, they are going at it like never before.

 

[gutter_trash]

Wall

 

[Effect]

Is this going as badly as the other thread suggest for Hillary? Can't take another debate at the moment.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Is this going as badly as the other thread suggest for Hillary? Can't take another debate at the moment.

mainline OT is as biased toward Sanders as this thread is toward Clinton. gonna guess it's a push based just off that

 

[NeoXChaos]

someone questioned my character for voting for Hillary

 

[aspiegamer]

Is this going as badly as the other thread suggest for Hillary? Can't take another debate at the moment.

To me they both sorta look like "old man/woman looking at cloud" stuff going on. Like, 95% of the content is actually the same, and they're each bringing their own individual gloomy inflection tonight for some reason.


...And as I said that, holy shit Clinton nailed that.

 

[Aaron Strife]

mainline OT is as biased toward Sanders as this thread is toward Clinton

I think this thread while biased towards Clinton is nowhere near as dumb about it.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

someone questioned my character for voting for Hillary

They're probably Corbyn supporters so I don't know if I'd take them seriously.

 

[eBay Huckster]

I think this thread while biased towards Clinton is nowhere near as dumb about it.

yeah, by no means am I trying to equivocate the two exactly, just trying to make the point that OT is absurdly slanted in the opposite direction

 

[BoboBrazil]

someone questioned my character for voting for Hillary

Some of those Bernie supporters are going to be really annoying until next Tuesday. Best to just ignore them.

 

[Loudninja]

Is this going as badly as the other thread suggest for Hillary? Can't take another debate at the moment.

Reactions are dial up waayyyy to high in debate topics.

 

[ugaboga232]

I think this thread while biased towards Clinton is nowhere near as dumb about it.

You know what? A couple of hours ago, I had a revelation that if Bernie wins the nomination, I'm going to vote for Trump. I would rather throw the election to the republicans for four years and let them continue to destroy their own party and embitter Americans than let Bernie complete the polarization of the democratic party the same way the wingnut-right has completed theirs. Then we can let Clinton run again in 4 years and save the country, and Sanders will be dead by then. That's how I feel.

Bernie Sanders is a demagogue. He's wrong about everything, he's impervious to facts, he's excessively reductionist, he's unqualified, and the worst thing of all: he's not even a Democrat. If you want to run the progressive movement into the ground and see meaningful college reform, financial system reform, and healthcare reform all disappear in front of our very eyes, go ahead and vote Sanders. Me, the only president I would be happy with is currently the only Democrat running for office.

Everyone is dumb.

 

[B-Dubs]

someone questioned my character for voting for Hillary

Yea, that's the OT for you.

 

[PBY]

mainline OT is as biased toward Sanders as this thread is toward Clinton. gonna guess it's a push based just off that

All of the democratic debates have been a push.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Fuck Bernie, let her finish talking asshole.

 

[ugaboga232]

Fuck Bernie, let her finish talking asshole.

He has been a lot better here, the moderators are doing a crap job.

 

[PBY]

BEN GOZZZY

 

[Coriolanus]

They're probably Corbyn supporters so I don't know if I'd take them seriously.

You don't take me seriously? ;___;

 

[NeoXChaos]

no one cares about benghazi but care about speeches.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Hillary did about as bad as she could have done on the campaign finance

Attacking Bernie with the Koch brothers was the dumbest thing she's done in all the debates so far

 

[RustyNails]

Hillary should fire whoever told her to bring up koch. She can't win on bernie's turf. Just makes her look all the more opportunistic.

 

[aspiegamer]

Attacking Bernie with the Koch brothers was the dumbest thing she's done in all the debates so far

She didn't phrase it well, but what she mentioned did happen.

Hillary should fire whoever told her to bring up koch. She can't win on bernie's turf. Just makes her look all the more opportunistic.

But yeah, pretty much this.

 

[VendettaRed07]

Hillary needs to employ poligaf

 

[BoboBrazil]

It's no secret the rnc, koch brothers, and fox news all want Bernie to win the nom. He's the easier one to beat in the general.

 

[VendettaRed07]

She didn't phrase it well, but what she mentioned did happen.

It doesn't matter. It's like thowing meatballs down the middle for Bernie. It's a petty silly attack

Absolutely nobody believes that Bernie is in with the Koch brothers or something

 

[ugaboga232]

It's no secret the rnc, koch brothers, and fox news all want Bernie to win the nom. He's the easier one to beat in the general.

He is thought to be easier to beat in the general. Anything else is conjecture (maybe very convincing conjecture that I agree with) but given that everyone agrees GE polls are dumb now, there is no real way to tell.

 

[A Human Becoming]

I wish I had seen Zootopia tonight instead of during the debate Sunday.

 

[VendettaRed07]

It's no secret the rnc, koch brothers, and fox news all want Bernie to win the nom. He's the easier one to beat in the general.

Right but she can't bring that up. If she can't say "they want Bernie to win because he's an easier to take down in the general than Me" then why in gods name bring it up

 

[Grief.exe]

Hillary did about as bad as she could have done on the campaign finance

Attacking Bernie with the Koch brothers was the dumbest thing she's done in all the debates so far

I wouldn't be surprised if she's using these debates as a test bed for some of her week areas for a potential Trump/Cruz general election.

 

[Poodlestrike]

Part of me thinks that Hillary should just say something like...

"Yeah, I take their money. But I'm still going to work to curtail the excesses and risky business Wall Street employs. So regardless of what they think they're buying, if they want to give it to me, I'm not about to object."

But that could be risky.

 

[Suikoguy]

He is thought to be easier to beat in the general. Anything else is conjecture (maybe very convincing conjecture that I agree with) but given that everyone agrees GE polls are dumb now, there is no real way to tell.

There was an article about Focus group testing with Sanders and the likely attacks Republicans will use, and it shows that it totally ruins Sanders in the GE.

I'll see if I can find the article again.

 

[Coriolanus]

Welp, i'd forgotten about this.

 

[eBay Huckster]

He is thought to be easier to beat in the general. Anything else is conjecture (maybe very convincing conjecture that I agree with) but given that everyone agrees GE polls are dumb now, there is no real way to tell.

i really stopped posting that screenshot from the JSTOR article too early, didn't i

 

[ugaboga232]

There was an article about Focus group testing with Sanders and the likely attacks Republicans will use, and it shows that it totally ruins Sanders in the GE.

I'll see if I can find the article again.

Would be very interesting and some good evidence, I have not read it.

i really stopped posting that screenshot from the JSTOR article too early, didn't i

Is this the one about socialists? Confused what you are talking about.

 

[eBay Huckster]

Is this the one about socialists? Confused what you are talking about.

should've clarified, it's the one that mainly supports the "general election polls are worthless this far out" contention

e: specifically, this one

 

[RustyNails]

Part of me thinks that Hillary should just say something like...

"Yeah, I take their money. But I'm still going to work to curtail the excesses and risky business Wall Street employs. So regardless of what they think they're buying, if they want to give it to me, I'm not about to object."

But that could be risky.

No....She just needs to say -- Yes I voted or the bill. It was a hard bill. But not voting for the bill meant according to estimates, 12-13% unemployment rate meaning millions more Americans losing jobs, savings and houses. Even fed chair Mr. Bernanke warned us about the inaction, so the fed, the treasury secretary under Mr Geithner and outgoing secretery Mr Paulson between the two presidents crafted the bill.

From there take it to Sanders. Say how he would have let millions of Americans lose their jobs, healthcare and savings just to punish banks.

 

[maabus1999]

Bernie is doing the GOP attack lines on unemployment....

EDIT: And the moderators giving this much time is ridiculous.

 

[Hopfrog]

Gah...cannot spend more than a few minutes in those OT debate threads, too toxic, too many exaggerated responses. PoliGAF is the calm in the storm in comparison.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Softball to Bernie and then fuck you gotcha question to Hillary over and over.

 

[RastaMentality]

Going to Bernie's rally and watching some of his videos have really fucked how I watch and basically know exactly what he's gonna say.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Going to Bernie's rally and watching some of his videos have really fucked how I watch and basically know exactly what he's gonna say.

It's the same thing over and over. He busts out that yuuuuge joke and the joke about his transcripts every time along with the same talking points.

 

[maabus1999]

Softball to Bernie and then fuck you gotcha question to Hillary over and over.

Which is weird as she is leading with Hispanics currently via polls... Might be because some of Univision moderators have been a little on a Crusade against deportation, and Hillary has some things they can dig on, while less on Bernie because he really hasn't done anything on an executive level.

EDIT: Man if Hillary did these aggressive, angry gestures and attacks, she would be crucified by everyone.

 

[MysticDistance]

Wow at Bernie taking that jab at Hillary. Yeesh. He's grumpy.

 

[NeoXChaos]

reading the OT is really over exaggeration of Bernie's performance.

 

[aspiegamer]

Bernie is sorta being a dick by demanding an add-on to literally every Clinton answer even if it has nothing to do with him. And then pivots them all to Wall Street anyway.

These moderators are just awful.

 

[RustyNails]

Yeah really tough questions being lobbed at hillary. I mean, benghazi? They're scraping at the bottom of the barrel.

But you know what, she comes off likable when being on defensive. It's a weird thing I noticed with her.