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PoliGAF 2016 |OT3| You know what they say about big Michigans - big Florida
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Ironic yes, its one thing I normally can't fault for Bernie, there is darkness on all side of the spectrum, but in the end you aren't going to be able sway the opinion of the victor unless you have an answer that challenges the status quo. That status quo has people like Fidel Castro as essentially villains of everything that we 'currently' consider American. Forget bad optics, it poisons his whole campaigns message in the GE. He wants a socialist revolution seemingly more based on European/Scandanavian priority socialism focusing on the good parts of it rather then some of the bad parts of its history, by not answering this properly he opens up the ability for the worst parts to be attached to his 'Revolution" whether its fair or not.
Hillary's dominating this primary, so you guys come off as sore winners when you trounce him some more!
Probably also weren't YouTube clips of him saying "Wow, what a great place to visit. I better come back some more!
"And_Gignac
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Thats the case of Cuba. Not of Argentina, Chile, Brasil, Nicaragua.
The only reason you got things like Chavez and Maduro right now is because of how brutal and oppressive the militaristic regimes the US sponsored down there were.
Bernie is a damn fool for not just re-tool his views about it. I still dont think this will gain much traction, you Hillyfans are just overcompensating the anxiety Michigan caused you.
If you didn't believe that Hillary has been handling Bernie with kids gloves this entire time? There's your proof.
If you believed that Republicans haven't been attacking Bernie because they can't, because he's "too pure", or because they're afraid of him? This was your wake up call.
That something THIS BAD has been on YouTube this entire time really shows how disinterested everyone (Dems, Republicans, the media) has been in really, truly attacking Bernie. Until now, it seems.
If you believed that Republicans haven't been attacking Bernie because they can't, because he's "too pure", or because they're afraid of him? This was your wake up call.
That something THIS BAD has been on YouTube this entire time really shows how disinterested everyone (Dems, Republicans, the media) has been in really, truly attacking Bernie. Until now, it seems.
Is this what it meas to diablos?
Macho Madness
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The effect? Who knows. But it got attention.
Probably also weren't YouTube clips of him saying "Wow, what a great place to visit. I better come back some more!
Pretty much what I was getting at. All the GOP knew at the time was that he took the trip, hell even now we don't know much more about it.
Nazgul_Hunter
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Hispanics here (me being one of them) hate LA dictators with a passion regardless of how they got to power. The US having a hand doesn't play much of a role. Chavez is so universally hated, it's ridiculous
maabus1999
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Have you lived in Florida or studied its politics? He is literally done in Florida with that clip plus answer.
maabus1999
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The effect? Who knows. But it got attention.
Got one for the youtube clip of Castro Interview?
Coriolanus
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tbf given the kind of people that moved from venezuela to miami during the chavez years, that's not exactly unexpected.
btw, it shouldn't be too hard to find brazilians in there that would readily praise our military dictatorship. We're... special... like that.
Frank the Great
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When Bernie says that Hillary has received $15m or whatever from Wall Street . .
What the fuck is he actually talking about? Goldman Sachs can't donate all that money, there are campaign finance laws . . .
Is he talking about people who work for Wall Street? Because if so, that's a shitty line of attack. Is it really any wonder that socially liberal NYC middle to upper class folks will donate to the Democratic frontrunner, who used to be their Senator? They could be supporting her for many reasons . . . it doesn't mean she will be a Wall Street slave as president.
Especially if they are just donating to a SuperPAC. No healthy candidate really relies solely upon SuperPAC money anyway.
What the fuck is he actually talking about? Goldman Sachs can't donate all that money, there are campaign finance laws . . .
Is he talking about people who work for Wall Street? Because if so, that's a shitty line of attack. Is it really any wonder that socially liberal NYC middle to upper class folks will donate to the Democratic frontrunner, who used to be their Senator? They could be supporting her for many reasons . . . it doesn't mean she will be a Wall Street slave as president.
Especially if they are just donating to a SuperPAC. No healthy candidate really relies solely upon SuperPAC money anyway.
I just had this same argument in another thread.
Nazgul_Hunter
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Yeah; I'm just saying to think that comment will only play with Cubans means you don't understand just how anti socialist Spanish-speaking latam countries are
Suikoguy
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Yep, that's exactly what he is talking about.
A Human Becoming
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I don't know why you or any Hillary supporter would be.
And_Gignac
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They are not. Latinamerica, specially south america, is a strong hold for leftist-socialstic politics. They are kind of crumbling right now lmao, but these past two decades it was all about socialism light down there.
I can assure you South Florida is the total opposite. You're not getting it.
And_Gignac
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Yeah, because Cubans history is with communism, not socialism. Different countries, different politics.
Coriolanus
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He left "in florida" out of that sentence. It is correct. Those that moved there during the last 10-20 years did so largely to escape from what they perceived as COMMUNISM.
Often middle to upper class people.
maabus1999
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How quiet the OT got after so much pro Bernie posts at the beginning just goes to show how even his supporters know he really, really screwed up there.
eBay Huckster
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that or half of them just came over here
Fidel / Communism / Socialism = might as well be the same word in terms of perception
BIG MICHIGAN UPSET! BERNEMENTUM! #FEELTHEBERN MOVE OVER HILLARY!
Poodlestrike
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I can't help but feel like these "but they actually love socialism down there guys" arguments are grounded in basically wishful thinking from white liberals every since I read that "please help me get the fuck out of Venezuela" thread.
BoboBrazil
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lol
Rafa=FedKilla
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Probably should've just advertised Megyn Kelly and they would've gotten more attendees.
I've had to explain the same damn thing to my mom (a hardcore Bernie fan) multiple times. It is a bullshit argument that glosses over the nuance of campaign finance law.
A Human Becoming
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People in here get ridiculous at times. Diablosing everywhere!
That's just mean, I love it.
JesseEwiak
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Should we start a post in the OT for our best scripts for anti-Bernie ads in the general? jk mostly.
And_Gignac
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REDBAITING, REDBAITING
Macho Madness
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Decided to replace the word establishment with WWE.
eBay Huckster
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what extension are you using for that and why have i not already been using it
REDBAITING, REDBAITING
Wow, that is an incredibly quick turnaround.
JesseEwiak
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It's almost like Hillary's oppo team can do basic Youtube searches.
Quoting for future use. Danke.
They've probably had a version of that ready for months. They couldn't use it, but they figured someone would find it eventually.
MysticDistance
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Remember that amendment Hillary brought up about Sanders supporting minutemen vigilante by voting for the bill?
Yeah, that was true. No provisions, either, it seems.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:HZ00971:
This, coupled with his Castro answer really are not going to do any favors for him at all, especially in Florida.
Yeah, that was true. No provisions, either, it seems.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d109:HZ00971:
This, coupled with his Castro answer really are not going to do any favors for him at all, especially in Florida.
Welp, bye.
aspiegamer
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I'd have said this debate was effectively a job on Hillary. Until that last clip. I cannot believe that actually happened. It's personally not something I care about much, but goddamn, in Florida especially? Forget it.
To echo others, this is what happens when a candidate hasn't already been vetted for 25 years straight. You have to expect these sorts of surprises.
To echo others, this is what happens when a candidate hasn't already been vetted for 25 years straight. You have to expect these sorts of surprises.
Agree with this. Thinking Hillary's massive social media team would just -forget- to run some thorough YouTube searches on Bernie is silly.
She quoted a section of the video that they didn't show and than savaged Sanders, so it's pretty safe to say that she was ready.
Jesus.
A Human Becoming
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Bernie is a mess.
Just like working for his campaign, he's disappointing.
Just like working for his campaign, he's disappointing.
Macho Madness
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I was thinking you worked for his campaign. What happened?
RustyNails
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I actually thought about this and figured they probably had a couple of staffers paid to listen to every weekly Bernie appearance on Thom Hartmann show over the past 10 years. It's in one of them that he said he wanted someone to primary Obama in 2012. Now I'm so sure they even know who or what Thom Hartmann show is.
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