BoboBrazil
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Are people on Reddit still pawning family heirlooms to donate to Bernie?
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Box of Kittens
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This is humorous in hindsight.
If.
If he does campaign hard in November and helps turn out the youth vote against Trump then I'll forgive him like I forgave Hillary in 2008.
I do have my doubts though.
I still like Bernie, but I'm certainly a bit disheartened he's really not above it all when push comes to shove and things get desperate. Part of human nature I suppose.
A question; Would Hillary blatantly calling Trump a racist or what he says as racist do her well in the GE?
A question; Would Hillary blatantly calling Trump a racist or what he says as racist do her well in the GE?
Abinash117
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I think the strategy is to have big rallies so many people would know and maybe the local medias will cover which will give him recognition and positive publicity .
Eh, maybe. I'd say her surrogates should call Trump the racist while she just continues to show him he knows absolutely NOTHING about policy.
User 463088
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She won't say it. nor will she really hint at it. Her surrogates, though, they'd be free to pretty much say it at liberty.
She should. Everyone in the party should be matter of fact about it. Coz he is racist. De Blasio did it right.
Officerrob
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Doesn't exactly roll of the tongue.
Tesseract
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it's democracy baybee
User 463088
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She can do it in the way she's been doing it all along. I just don't think coming out and calling him a racist is going to help her with anyone. To me, it paints anyone who is leaning Trump as a racist, and may make them dig their heals in. I do think some of his supporters are racist assholes, but I'm never a fan of attacking someone's constituency. Your goal is to get those people not vilify them.
thats the strategy I'm sure, but honestly he already is inconsequential in the news cycle since the Ohio/IL/FL/MO/NC wash out, and if loses NY by any significant margin (+5 or higher) and then goes and bombs out in PA towards the end of April he will basically become a ghost.
He'll be wasting too much time in a state that won't matter
Poodlestrike
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It's no Lyin' Ted or Little Marco, that's for sure.
Out of personal spite. He doesn't like you very much.
Tesseract
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ruth died, pardoned our sins
excelsiorlef
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I heard Nana Ruth missed her orthodontist appointment and now needs to have dentures put in.
Thanks Sanders
Damnit got beat to it
I agree, but she won't say it and she shouldn't. Not in this climate where people respond so strongly to being called racist...even when they're being blatantly racist.
Every member of #TeamQueen should do it, but the second she uttered the word, we'd be rendered deaf by the sound of millions of people shouting "How DARE she!?"
It'll be like when she called Trump sexist...x100
Dominican Power
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Look, another hypocritical "family values" Republican gets caught in a sex scandal. I'm shocked.
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huh? who?
blackaroni
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It's kinda insane that he's losing so bad when he's always packing stadiums and whatnot. I honestly don't think I could go to one of his rallies because it seems that he just says the same shit all the time.
Also, Obama down in Argentina showing out and doing the tango.
Also, Obama down in Argentina showing out and doing the tango.
I'm more concerned with our own constituency, to be quite honest. One of the reasons the Democratic party has consistently failed to do right by minorities is the dismissal and trivialization of racism. Hillary has started to talk the talk on systemic racism, it would be a big mistake in the time of BLM to start getting squishy on it. Those votes need to be earned.
This also plays into the whole "calling someone racist is the worst thing" colorblind frame. Our party should absolutely be calling out and shaming bigotry. The time to be wishy-washy on this is over.
excelsiorlef
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It's kinda insane that he's losing so bad when he's always packing stadiums and whatnot. I honestly don't think I could go to one of his rallies because it seems that he just says the same shit all the time.
Also, Obama down in Argentina showing out and doing the tango.
He packs stadiums full of people who don't vote.
pigeon's comment he was like a vaudeville performer ruined by the advent of radio is the most on fucking point thing I've heard about Sanders stump speech repetition.
Retromelon
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I have no qualms with calling out racism. Trump's ban on Muslims is an example of racism and bigotry. Where I don't think a candidate should go is calling the person racist, even if s/he is. Call their policies racist. Call their ideas racist. Calling them, and by their extension those who support them, racist feels, to me at least, like it has the potential of doing more harm than good.
We absolutely do need to walk the walk and earn the support of minority voters. We do that by having policies and positions that are better than the trash on the other side. We do that by calling out bigotry and hatred, like Hillary has done multiple times in her campaign. She did it really well last night and today, especially as it relates to Muslim and Muslim Americans.
It's like calling someone opposed to same-sex marriage a homophobe. Look, they probably are. But, if our goal is to change their hearts and minds, I just feel it's better to come at it a different angle. The moment you start throwing labels around like that, people put up their hackles and you lose the opportunity to engage with them. Show them why they're wrong, why their values don't line up with who we are as a nation.
And, to be clear, I do believe that Trump is a racist. I'm a peon on the internet, so me calling him that doesn't make a lick of difference. The only way to take on Trump is for Hillary to be above all the petty bullshit he's going to throw at her.
Just my two cents.
Macho Madness
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That's what she's got deBlasio for. Hell, calling Trump a racist will probably help him out as well.
User 463088
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Agreed. Someone in the campaign, but outside it, is the best way to handle this. If it blows up, you can disavow it a la the "special place in hell" comments. And, I also admit my position is 100% based on political optics.
lol the governor looks exactly like her husband except like 20 years older.
Bam Bam Baklava
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This is ridiculous. Also, I don't think Quinn is biased, I think they're just bad at polling.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep.../general_election_kasich_vs_clinton-5162.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep.../general_election_kasich_vs_clinton-5162.html
The thing about the "special place in hell" comments; Albright used that line in 2008 and got the same reaction back then. What made her think it would be a good idea to use it again? Especially after Sarah Palin tried to co-opt it in the general.
I know it's a personal motto of hers but you'd think that she'd learn after getting burned once.
i would hope no one is calling them biased, they are just really bad. They were really bad in all the elections when they were doing anything not within a week. They have never been a good pollster
Please vote in mid terms guys.
My public university that I applied to in IL is unable to give most students (including me) financial aid because of the budget crisis. Not to mention, scholarships are being stripped.
Which all stems back to the pitiful turn out in the 2014 mid-terms that allowed Bruce Rauner to take office. Not that Pat Quinn was much better.
My public university that I applied to in IL is unable to give most students (including me) financial aid because of the budget crisis. Not to mention, scholarships are being stripped.
Which all stems back to the pitiful turn out in the 2014 mid-terms that allowed Bruce Rauner to take office. Not that Pat Quinn was much better.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Which sucks because the media loves to use their numbers.
Macho Madness
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Either I heard it weird or Rachel Maddow just nearly called Hillary "President Clinton"
User 463088
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She's been taken over by the Hill People. Throw her under the bus. Establishment! Fraud! Shrill!
Everyone on MSNBC knows the outcome.
They're just unsure of HOW we get there....(like everyone else)
Aaron Strife
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Yup.
I remember following Obama's campaign stops in 2010. He had a boilerplate stump speech but he would keep adding to it and changing it up which made it interesting. He had this metaphor about getting a car out of a ditch, but the Republicans want to put it back in the ditch that just kept getting more elaborate each time.
Almost every Bernie stump speech is the exact same.
eBay Huckster
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of course that's ridiculous, it's the GOP version of the "sanders polls better against everyone" thing where the only reason it's the case is because they're treating him like generic [insert party here]
e: also, that quinnipiac poll is over-weighting republicans as well as men relative to basically every presidential election for 30 years (that, and they don't push undecideds whereas literally everyone else does), but then they've BEEN doing that. definitely leaning toward them just having shit weights rather than an explicit bias
Box of Kittens
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Most people really underestimate the impact that state government has on their lives in comparison to that of the federal government.
Trump is the only candidate I've seen who does a different speech each time. He just makes it up as he goes.
Macho Madness
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Maddow calling out the gutting of the Voting Rights Act. That's right.
Tell me the SCOTUS doesn't matter now.
Tell me the SCOTUS doesn't matter now.
Well its easier when you dont have to adhere to things like facts or logic or reality or morals.
gutter_trash
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like a bossIt's kinda insane that he's losing so bad when he's always packing stadiums and whatnot. I honestly don't think I could go to one of his rallies because it seems that he just says the same shit all the time.
Also, Obama down in Argentina showing out and doing the tango.
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