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PoliGAF 2016 |OT3| You know what they say about big Michigans - big Florida
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What was the context
Please at least say what you are referring too when making statements like that. You don't even need to link it, but at least refer to what you are talking about
oh I didn't mean something happened to him
I mean he woke up one day and decided to be a horrible journalist
Coriolanus
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Course it does. Independent is often a codeword for "listen, i just dont wanna admit i tend to republican".
41%? Fits right in.
VendettaRed07
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Honestly, the Republican establishment has tried to get the wheels moving on moderating on immigration and appealing to latinos. But the Tea Party and loud voices from within keep beating it out of them. The racist rhetoric just overrides it and anyone who tries to make it work is called weak or is notruescotsman'ed
Thats why Fox was pushing Jeb! so hard in the beginning. They thought he was the only one who could bridge the gap or pick up latino votes.
cartoon_soldier
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Weeee
VendettaRed07
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I was an independent until recently because I registered to vote when I was in High School and said I was independent because "I'm totally ABOooOoOve the two party system", when in reality I was a republican apologist. So this is true.
cartoon_soldier
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1) 2016 National Republican Primary
Asked of 639 Republican registered voters
Ben Carson (R) 4%
Ted Cruz (R) 24%
John Kasich (R) 13%
Marco Rubio (R) 13%
Donald Trump (R) 41%
Wouldn't vote 5%
Was the IPSOS/reuters one posted?
Basileus777
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Link?
NYCmetsfan
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After last night's Bushwick watch party I have a new view on Bernie Bros and Gals.
They really are engaged and doing some awesome shit.
I'm still a Clinton supporter but these people are going to be doing things for progressive candidates and causes. There's a lot of room for progressive change at the state and local level and these guys leading the charge is probably better than machine politics which only pushes for change at the last moment.
I still hope they still have an open tent instead of becoming too doctrinaire.
They really are engaged and doing some awesome shit.
I'm still a Clinton supporter but these people are going to be doing things for progressive candidates and causes. There's a lot of room for progressive change at the state and local level and these guys leading the charge is probably better than machine politics which only pushes for change at the last moment.
I still hope they still have an open tent instead of becoming too doctrinaire.
cartoon_soldier
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Haha, they will fall asleep come mid terms. I guarantee it. If Bernie really wants to see a liberal revolution he should be going all out in mid terms.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I don't know how me finds work, or makes enough money to survive.
I'm really hoping that crowd transitions to Grassroots Select after the race considering how much money and effort they've been pumping out.
The problem is I'd feel better about this being a long term thing if Bernie actually supported these people after his inevitable loss.
I don't really see that happening.
Voysa Reezun
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Kasich's lawyer stipulated that his campaign didn't have the signatures needed to be on the PA primary ballot.
Hilarious.
Hilarious.
VendettaRed07
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He also doesn't need to be president to campaign for the party and help drive up turn out across the country and get more progressives in congress.
Coriolanus
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He old af tho. Dems need this push, if not exactly in his terms, as much as he wants it.
The scenario where one can help the other.
Money, tho.
Holy shit, why would you stipulate that. "We agree that you should win in a just world, but for technical reasons we believe we should win."
It's like the argument most perfectly designed to piss off the judge.
Aaron Strife
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I just hate that when I make presidential maps that are completely correct, I don't get anything. I want a cushy analyst job!
Oh man, Bernie's got the nomination now!
That'd be nice. If they come out during midterms that could make a difference. I just hope this isn't the start of the liberal tea party.
Also, you still gotta get me that PM dude.
Coriolanus
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The money isnt on making accurate maps, my friend. It lies in making the maps that your clients want to see.
On that, the Ham is an expert.
User 463088
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So I come home from meeting with my surgeon and this is what my mom greets me with:
God damn Urban Myers and his Republican horse shit. This is some Gator Urban shit. Refusing to keep his mouth shut and coach them boys. Hillary's going to lose and it's all because of people who think that damn Kasich isn't a damn fool. I expect this from Harbaugh, but Tressel wouldn't have done shit like this. : followed by more rambling at the TV :
God damn Urban Myers and his Republican horse shit. This is some Gator Urban shit. Refusing to keep his mouth shut and coach them boys. Hillary's going to lose and it's all because of people who think that damn Kasich isn't a damn fool. I expect this from Harbaugh, but Tressel wouldn't have done shit like this. : followed by more rambling at the TV :
theprodigy
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I'd laugh if Harbaugh was a Clinton supporter
NYCmetsfan
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I'm specifically talking about organizers not the people voting for him
Hillary is literally only a few years younger than he is
Coriolanus
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Its the 70-80 barrier. 4 years from now bern will be a near octogenarian. 4 years from now Hills will be a sexy septuagenarian.
Either way somewhat unreasonable to expect people in the 70+ to cross the whole damn country all the time, which is whats needed for a 50 states initiative.
How is this relevant to Coriolanus's post?
Cesare Borgia
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From the recent Obama Doctrine article in The Atlantic
I'd be shocked if Kaine is not Hillary's vice president. I'm still surprised he wasn't picked in 2008.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/
I'd be shocked if Kaine is not Hillary's vice president. I'm still surprised he wasn't picked in 2008.
2 questions:
1. Why arent anyone questioning Sanders age and health to be fit to be president for the next 4 years? I remember everyone doing that about McCaine.
2. Am i the only one feeling Kasich is the ultimate anti-fun candidate? He got such a incredibly boring vibe all around. He just feels like a severely worked out man, with zero sense of humour, and 1 year left on the job before retirement. Even his "victory" speeches are anti-fun. Everything about him is just extremely boring...
1. Why arent anyone questioning Sanders age and health to be fit to be president for the next 4 years? I remember everyone doing that about McCaine.
2. Am i the only one feeling Kasich is the ultimate anti-fun candidate? He got such a incredibly boring vibe all around. He just feels like a severely worked out man, with zero sense of humour, and 1 year left on the job before retirement. Even his "victory" speeches are anti-fun. Everything about him is just extremely boring...
BoboBrazil
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Bernie Sanders is so old he taught Moses about socialism.
1. Because they want this to be a horse race and Hillary is only a couple of years younger.
2. You are not wrong.
Yeah, I was thinking that last night watching the debate.
Tim Kaine certainly has impeccable credentials. The problem I would have with him as a pick is that he has the identical profile to Hillary -- old, white, insider, exemplary political history. I don't see what the ticket gets from picking Kaine.
Kaine in the cabinet, by contrast, looks like a gimme to me.
Reading this just made me Diablos in a whole new direction. Imagine what happens if Sanders has a heart attack and dies on March 14th. We're all screwed then.
RustyNails
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Ugh, Kaine is so fucking boring. Yeah, drive up your enthusiasm by picking a boring, safe, middle aged white man to be your VP. At least Biden was a dynamite despite being able to check off a typical VP list.
SlimySnake
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Who cares? You are not trying to fuck these candidates. You are trying to pick someone to run the country. who cares if they arent fun.
She needs to pick Sherrod Brown. She cannot make the same mistake Al-Gore and Kerry made and ignore Ohio. She needs Ohio.
He's not wrong, and neither are you. Ultimately boring + asshole is a bad combo though.
Abinash117
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The Republican party and some contradictions that is destroying their party. The problem with many of these Republicans is that many knew they need a segment of minority support to have any real chance of getting the White House so many are actually for immigration reform plus it is easy to support that because a lot of business people did. At the same time a lot of officials and rank and file Republicans didn't give a damn or was actively against it. The elites probably thought they could control them with diet racism, anti-government, code words, and using that to further gains it worked but it completely fucked them.
There was no way the camps would coexist, but the leaders cared more about short term gains. It is biting them in the ass, but the people too were foolish into thinking that they could have changed things to how they wonted the problem is if the GOP doesn't have the supermajority and a dem President is in office nothing was going to happen period. Now they are angry.
Now that someone is responding to that angry, his actions are going damage the party. Completely destroying the image they want to portray.
Macho Madness
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Why?
VendettaRed07
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It isn't an issue now because Hillary hasn't made it one. Other people do bring it up but Hillary is only 5 years younger, so there isn't much contrast there. He is energetic for his age and shows a lot of fire and passion, which McCain lacked. It would become a bigger issue in a general election.
And yes Kasich is no fun.
It'll be Vince Foster all over again. Conspiracy central.
I do like Kane for a cabinet position, maybe at State if she doesn't want to keep Kerry. On that note she should totally keep Kerry, he's been fantastic there.
Because Bernie won't have the opportunity to go back and remind all his supporters that actually they should vote for Hillary, they'll all be extra upset because their martyr died on a hill in Ohio, and there's no way the conspiracy theory won't start that Hillary injected him with curare while shaking hands at the Univision debate or whatever.
The last thing Hillary Clinton needs is another convenient death!
Some Hillary supporters use Bernie's age as an argument against him all the time. Hillary frankly speaking isn't much younger.
SlimySnake
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He is the healthiest looking 73 year old I've seen in a while. Bill on the other hand is like 5 years younger and looks like hes about to fall dead any moment.
I am 90% sure he wont survive Hilary's first term.
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