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PoliGAF 2016 |OT3| You know what they say about big Michigans - big Florida
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Oh hush you. Like you're any straighter
My impatience really shines through whilst waiting for results. COME ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
And_Gignac
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In the context of who she is and historical democratic primaries, her lead is not impressive. She is Hillary Clinton, the most powerful female politician in the world (Merkel is over).
shinra-bansho
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And being Hillary Clinton she scared out all viable stronger competition including a sitting Veep. Meaning a not-Clinton vote has to consolidate somewhere.
You heard it here first. Female politicians can't be impressive.
superdeluxe
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Why?
Hillary does what Jeb¿ can't.
This is bullshit how can they call it when they haven't counted most of the vote! It's undemocratic!!
Sorry, I'll stop shitposting now
Boo we lost arizona boo! Call washington early when Bernie is winning: Oh nice, as it should be.
Lol. I guess the Sanderites are going to be crowing for a few days about this until they are slammed back into reality via primaries in more diverse states.
And_Gignac
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You would be a great Microsoft spoke person with dem spins and twists you pull.
I though voting didn't end in Arizona until midnight - hence people got upsad that they were calling it while people were still in line.
But carry on - I do enjoy your constant imitations of BernieBros
It feels so wrong but so right too.
One of my bigger personality flaws, I hate these results because I can't go to r/s4p and laugh at them. I'm a horrible person
They said the same about Clinton. It's dumb.
Officerrob
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That went right over your head
lastflowers
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And_Gignac
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But why does a not-Clinton vote even exists? Why isn't she dominating like Al Gore did?
Her lead is not impressive to me not because she herself isn't a monumental political figure, but because Sanders shouldn't be winning 13 states and 1k delegates.
Anti-clintite
shinra-bansho
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I thought the sitting Vice President's name was Joe.
superdeluxe
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Because many are frustrated with the way things are going. Gore came in after a period of good times
aspiegamer
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Am I freaking out, or is Bernie actually giving a slightly different speech? Woah.
Also, c'mon Madison, you're better than to fall for all this. You make me sad. I know we're a bunch of over-privileged, mega-entitled, super-educated hyper-caucasions that aren't in any way impacted by any of the government programs currently under threat and wouldn't benefit under new entitlements, but think of the bigger picture! That "we believe that we will win!" chant damaged my soul.
...Okay, going to shut up and go rage on my own. Sorry.
Also, c'mon Madison, you're better than to fall for all this. You make me sad. I know we're a bunch of over-privileged, mega-entitled, super-educated hyper-caucasions that aren't in any way impacted by any of the government programs currently under threat and wouldn't benefit under new entitlements, but think of the bigger picture! That "we believe that we will win!" chant damaged my soul.
...Okay, going to shut up and go rage on my own. Sorry.
So she has a larger delegate lead than Obama in 2008, a candidate frequently called a once-in-a-generation candidate, and she's not impressive because you feel a female should be doing better.
But Bernie, who has the quadruple-threat advantages of any politician - old, white, male, and straight (as far as I know) - has pretty much no viable path to the nomination at this point, yet he's exceedingly impressive.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Daaaaamn, Washington. I was guessing 70-30 for Sanders, looks like it might top out around 75-25.
OrangeGrayBlue
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That's certainly a matter of perspective. I would argue he's too old, the democratic party is tired of white men, and he's a jewish socialist that has flirted with saying he's an atheist. He's not exactly the same thing as Joe Biden like you're making it sound.
I'm fairly certain you can see that that's a disingenuous comparison when you compare the relative positions of Obama and Clinton prior to this primary.
The fact is everyone expected Clinton to have it sown up by now and it looks like she's going to have to rely on superdelegates and Bernie, a candidate who no-one gave any time of day this time last year, has managed to come that close. Regardless of how it ultimately shakes out that is impressive and yes, that means Clinton's performance is a bit under expectations as well. It happens.
Macho Madness
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Hawaii Caucus looking like a good turnout
OrangeGrayBlue
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Looks like Bernie will net about 65 delegates today, assuming a slim win in Hawaii.
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I grew up there, I get to throw shade
And Portland just is weird. Seattle really really wants to be Portland. Or Austin. But mostly Portland.
Lies. You guys either don't live here or don't go to the right places.
Seattle is super desperate to be San Francisco. Portland is desperate to be Seattle. :-D
It's like the big brother chain or something. It's pretty funny IMO. :-D
And_Gignac
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I don't know why are you taking the gender angle. Maybe I expressed myself poorly?
I only said "biggest female politician" for dramatic effects, not because I wanted to make a commentary about her gender.
The fact remains that six months ago very few expected Sanders to do as well as he doing and since this is a two heads race, it proportionally undermines the performance of Clinton, who is not pulling ahead as much as Dukakis, Bill or Kerry did.
shinra-bansho
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Sanders fundraising apparatus is impressive. It's allowing him to stay in longer than a Bradley or Dean.
And it's impressive that he's gone beyond the typical Bradley, Dean electorates of college kids and the [rich] ultra-liberal to tie-up working class white [men].
Her margins with black voters, sometimes larger than those of the first black President, are impressive. Her margins with older [women] voters are impressive.
Her support of the party is also quite impressive given she isn't an incumbent. Such that, as already noted no one within it dare run against her.
Kev noted it though before, that California and New York weren't part of Super Tuesday are part of why the race is going on so long as well.
And it's impressive that he's gone beyond the typical Bradley, Dean electorates of college kids and the [rich] ultra-liberal to tie-up working class white [men].
Her margins with black voters, sometimes larger than those of the first black President, are impressive. Her margins with older [women] voters are impressive.
Her support of the party is also quite impressive given she isn't an incumbent. Such that, as already noted no one within it dare run against her.
Kev noted it though before, that California and New York weren't part of Super Tuesday are part of why the race is going on so long as well.
Why do people keep saying this? I see no evidence for it.
Proportional delegate allocation meant that unless she absolutely slaughtered him early on, he'd be in it for a while if he had the money to keep going...which we knew he would, even before the race started.
Frankly, that he's still in it isn't surprising to me. When he was raising crazy amounts of money and getting huge crowds last year it was clear he would be. What's surprising is that Hillary managed to get a delegate lead over him that tripled the lead Obama had over her at its peak. I'm surprised her minority support has held so well.
StopMakingSense
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That's what I'm hoping for. Getting him below 70 would be nice. Fantasizing about a Sanders 69 right now tbh.
Macho Madness
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Turnout looks good in Hawaii but also looks old
So...
So...
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Turnout looks good in Hawaii but also looks old
So...
That's how fucking fickle the media is. Her winning Hawaii greatly changes the narrative, even though in reality the delegate count is all that matters.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Is it? 2008 was a historically close race. I'd even call it an outlier. Look at 2004, 2000 and 1992.
StopMakingSense
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Yeah a lot of that is ALL about the money. Hell Tsongas was giving Bill a good run until his fundraising dried up.
Pretty much this. To be honest, I think the main thing the Sanders campaign demonstrates is not a movement in the political landscape, but rather the fact that the new communication, campaigning, and fundraising opportunities allowed for by the Internet allow for a non-establishment candidate to rise very quickly and run a major campaign. See also Corbyn in the UK, who like Sanders barely anyone would have recognised two years ago.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Was it the money, or the perception of the need to have money to continue a run.
While, it may have been a need decades ago, I don't think it's as much as need now other than needing a modicum amount of money to do a campaign tour so you get the media coverage as you tour.
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