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[Y2Kev]

You know there are a lot of streets in NY right? Wall Street is only one street.

Oh? Tell me more about these other streets please.

 

[Suikoguy]

Yeah run against Wall Street in NY please.

Well they're not factually wrong, I'll give them that.

Yeah, making progress!

 

[Macho Madness]

Oh? Tell me more about these other streets please.

Ummmmm


Times Square

Street.

 

[Wafflecakes]

I think anti fracking is mostly about putting a face to dangerous environmental practices moreso than it is about specifically hating fracking. Nonetheless, you're right. No one really gives a shit about fracking.

I think even those who know about it, like most gaffers, are also torn.

Like, it sucks the implications that it has on the environment, on the other hand, I am not particularly sad about $1.50 gas.

"Gas is too cheap!" is a losing campaign strategy.

 

[AnotherNils]

Where is "this place"?

OT

 

[Suikoguy]

It just feels, in part at least, not dissimilar to opposition to things like genetic engineering.

Although, I don't want to dismiss or discount there is real potential for impact if not done correctly.

Yes, my concern basically mirrors Hillary. If it can be done to both capture the Methane and show a chemical list that is safe, i'd be less against it. Natural gas will continue to be used for awhile yet.

 

[pigeon]

You know there are a lot of streets in NY right? Wall Street is only one street.

All those streets are linked together in a vast interdependent traffic web and if one street fails all streets in Manhattan fail. Which as far as I can tell happens literally every day, New York gaffers please confirm.

 

[noshten]

It would be even more stupid to suddenly go silent on the number one issue your campaign has been based around and totally undermine your image of consistency. Hitting wall street may not be great in New York, but it would probably tarnish his legacy forever if he went limp on wall street just because NY was about to vote.

Yes it's been the whole focus on the campaign, I expect things to get heated on the topic of Wall Street - especially if another debate is hosted online by TYT.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

OT

If you're entering politics threads in OT you get what you deserve

 

[Tesseract]

they should have sent a poet

 

[excelsiorlef]

Facebook is especially delusional tonight.

Lol facebook memes

Wake me up when Cali has the same demographics as Washington an Alaska.

 

[shinra-bansho]

#notallstreets

The EPA seems to be continuing an ongoing examination of the impact of fracking based on like real peer-reviewed research, which I'm more interested and inclined to wait for the results of than YouTube videos or whatever.

This again seems to be a somewhat fundamental schism between the idea that there shouldn't be certain industries or that certain industries should simply be very well regulated.

 

[RustyNails]

Is cenk doing ok now? Dude was insufferable after Hillary victories these past few weeks.

 

[Macho Madness]

All those streets are linked together in a vast interdependent traffic web and if one street fails all streets in Manhattan fail. Which as far as I can tell happens literally every day, New York gaffers please confirm.

So they're establishment streets.

 

[T'Zariah]

Is cenk doing ok now? Dude was insufferable after Hillary victories these past few weeks.

He's somewhat been reasonable, in the last few days or so.

It's Jimmy Dore who's the real insufferable dickhead.

 

[B-Dubs]

I think even those who know about it, like most gaffers, are also torn.

Like, it sucks the implications that it has on the environment, on the other hand, I am not particularly sad about $1.50 gas.

"Gas is too cheap!" is a losing campaign strategy.

Wrong kind of gas. We're talking natural gas, which is used to heat homes and not oil to turn into gasoline.

Yes it's been the whole focus on the campaign, I expect things to get heated on the topic of Wall Street - especially if another debate is hosted online by TYT.

In what universe do TYT host a democratic debate?

 

[Suikoguy]

#notallstreets

The EPA seems to be continuing an ongoing examination of the impact of fracking based on like real peer-reviewed research, which I'm more interested and inclined to wait for the results of than YouTube videos or whatever.

EXACTLY. I'll agree it went full speed ahead without proper research.

Is cenk doing ok now? Dude was insufferable after Hillary victories these past few weeks.

He will live in denial until after NY results, which should end the Primary.
A 60/40 for Hillary primary in NY effectively ends the contest.

 

[Y2Kev]

Ha ha memes and such, but I'm a little concerned that the lack of understanding of the process is going to cause serious disillusionment when she does eventually wrap this up. Maybe this is myopia but I can't remember if this happened in previous elections. Facebook existed in 2008 though so maybe I'm just being insane about this.

Wrong kind of gas. We're talking natural gas, which is used to heat homes and not oil to turn into gasoline.

Doesn't shale oil come via fracking? It's not just gas.

 

[Wafflecakes]

Does anyone have a link to that webpage with the sliders that lets you project the rest of the delegates?

Wrong kind of gas. We're talking natural gas, which is used to heat homes and not oil to turn into gasoline.

Huh.

Doesn't shale oil come via fracking? It's not just gas.

That is what I was thinking.

 

[T'Zariah]

Wrong kind of gas. We're talking natural gas, which is used to heat homes and not oil to turn into gasoline.



In what universe do TYT host a democratic debate?

A TYT debate would be a massive circle jerk. There's no way in hell they'd NOT ask loaded questions of Hillary Clinton and make sublte attacks on her character.

 

[Macho Madness]

Ha ha memes and such, but I'm a little concerned that the lack of understanding of the process is going to cause serious disillusionment when she does eventually wrap this up. Maybe this is myopia but I can't remember if this happened in previous elections. Facebook existed in 2008 though so maybe I'm just being insane about this.

My concern is that she only wins via supers (as in it gets her over the finish line) and that will drive people mad even though they're a legitimate part of the process. My hope is that she does hit the threshold and Sanders realizes it's time.

What I fear is the Ron Paul 2012 situation where his delegates cause a ruckus at the DNC. A major part of that problem was that Ron Paul refused to be a part of the convention and never conceded to Romney. I hope Bernie isn't foolish enough to think that's a good thing.

 

[B-Dubs]

Doesn't shale oil come via fracking? It's not just gas.

Hmm, actually I think you're right. Last I heard of a debate on it the issue was natural gas so I just assumed.

 

[Iolo]

I don't like fracking because eventually it's going to cause Oklahoma to sink into the Earth's mantle, and corporations don't care because they will just move elsewhere. If it were better regulated I would be fine with it.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Doesn't shale oil come via fracking? It's not just gas.

Yes, it's why the US has overtaken the House of Saud and the House of Putin in oil production from memory.

Also we didn't have Facebook Reactions in 2008.
WAR HAS CHANGED.

 

[Joe Shlabotnik]

You know there are a lot of streets in NY right? Wall Street is only one street.

Oh? Tell me more about these other streets please.

 

[NeoXChaos]

My concern is that she only wins via supers (as in it gets her over the finish line) and that will drive people mad even though they're a legitimate part of the process.

its most likely she will need supers to win at this point.

 

[AnotherNils]

If you're entering politics threads in OT you get what you deserve

A great show?

 

[B-Dubs]

A TYT debate would be a massive circle jerk. There's no way in hell they'd NOT ask loaded questions of Hillary Clinton and make sublte attacks on her character.

It's never even going to be a thing, they have like no pull whatsoever. Why would the DNC even agree to let them host one?

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Does anyone have a link to that webpage with the sliders that lets you project the rest of the delegates?

http://demrace.com

 

[noshten]

A TYT debate would be a massive circle jerk. There's no way in hell they'd NOT ask loaded questions of Hillary Clinton and make sublte attacks on her character.

Do I need to dig up the Mox town hall thread

 

[Y2Kev]

Has Bernie won any closed primaries?

 

[NYCmetsfan]

There's also tillary Street which is almost a shillary St

 

[Macho Madness]

Has Bernie won any closed primaries?

Closed caucuses.

But the only closed primary win for him is Democrats Abroad.

 

[NeoXChaos]

Has Bernie won any closed primaries?

not in a state so far though he has a good chance to do it in OR, KY. Maybe CT

 

[shinra-bansho]

Democrats Abroad. The most important of closed primaries.

 

[B-Dubs]

Do I need to dig up the Mox town hall thread

Again, I ask this since you ignored me last time, WHY WOULD TYT EVEN BE ALLOWED TO HOST A DEBATE?

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Has Bernie won any closed primaries?

Democrats Abroad, which is really like dozens of little closed primaries.

He lost Nigeria 4 votes to 1, though. The firewall holds strong.

 

[Officerrob]

Has Bernie won any closed primaries?

Democrats Abroad, that's it. New Hampshire and Oklahoma were semi-closed

 

[Y2Kev]

Well I'm surprised by that tweet earlier where that guy thinks CT, RI lean Sanders given that he didn't even win MA.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Well I'm surprised by that tweet earlier where that guy thinks CT, RI lean Sanders given that he didn't even win MA.

Neither of them have Boston is the logic behind that, I would guess.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Again, I ask this since you ignored me last time, WHY WOULD TYT EVEN BE ALLOWED TO HOST A DEBATE?

YouTube is the future.

Future primaries will be based on social media followership.

Future Presidents will all be vloggers and LPers.

Spoiler

I think I somewhat loathe YouTube.

 

[Y2Kev]

Neither of them have Boston is the logic behind that, I would guess.

But they have their own respective large cities. I would think it's all proportional: smaller large cities but less "rural" voters as well. Are these more rural states? I didn't think that was the case.

 

[SheSaidNo]

I think the case against fracking is just murkier. I remember Mark Ruffalo getting clowned on real time a few years back. But then again he gets clowned pretty much every time he goes on that show. I can't see how it is a good thing (I mean pumping water into the earth filled with chemicals and shit?) but I think a lot of the oppo consists of people screaming it causes earthquakes and sets your water on fire. Is it true?

From what I've read the earthquake thing seems real. Here's a good article
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/13/weather-underground

Until 2008, Oklahoma experienced an average of one to two earthquakes of 3.0 magnitude or greater each year. (Magnitude-3.0 earthquakes tend to be felt, while smaller earthquakes may be noticed only by scientific equipment or by people close to the epicenter.) In 2009, there were twenty. The next year, there were forty-two. In 2014, there were five hundred and eighty-five, nearly triple the rate of California. Including smaller earthquakes in the count, there were more than five thousand. This year, there has been an average of two earthquakes a day of magnitude 3.0 or greater.

William Ellsworth, a research geologist at the United States Geological Survey, told me, “We can say with virtual certainty that the increased seismicity in Oklahoma has to do with recent changes in the way that oil and gas are being produced.” Many of the larger earthquakes are caused by disposal wells, where the billions of barrels of brackish water brought up by drilling for oil and gas are pumped back into the ground. (Hydraulic fracturing, or fracking—in which chemically treated water is injected into the earth to fracture rocks in order to access oil and gas reserves—causes smaller earthquakes, almost always less than 3.0.) Disposal wells trigger earthquakes when they are dug too deep, near or into basement rock, or when the wells impinge on a fault line. Ellsworth said, “Scientifically, it’s really quite clear.”

 

[FiggyCal]

I think even those who know about it, like most gaffers, are also torn.

Like, it sucks the implications that it has on the environment, on the other hand, I am not particularly sad about $1.50 gas.

"Gas is too cheap!" is a losing campaign strategy.

If it causes earthquakes I'd rather pay more for gas.

 

[Holmes]

Neither of them have Boston is the logic behind that, I would guess.

Also neither of them are open primaries. They're closed.

 

[Abinash117]

The problem with an attack like that is that it has to be true.

They can just tell half-truths . I doubt it'll work though, since the campaign is going to attack Hillary on fracking that is the one of only ways I can see them doing it .


One point that the Sander's campaign brought up is after the 15th the campaign said the rest of the states benefit Bernie . I actually think that is wrong now I think about it, sometime in April to June nearly all the states benefit her. I think only a handful benefits Bernie, if Bernie loses Hawaii it just means that Bernie never fixed is prime issue. The rest of the states are racially diverse and/or perhaps heavily democratic. If she can win in Mass. I believe she can pretty much win in the rest of the New England states that are closed.

 

[Macho Madness]

It's funny that we have no clue what's happening in Hawaii.

The Hawaii Democratic Party sent out a tweet 41 minutes ago saying "Find your caucus location here" and that's it. No results to be found anywhere.

 

[Officerrob]

Also neither of them are open primaries. They're closed.

RI is semi-closed

 

[Wafflecakes]

http://demrace.com

Thanks

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Also neither of them are open primaries. They're closed.

Yeah but momentum.


/sarcasm.