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[theprodigy]

Huh this whole cluster bonus thing for some states on the Democratic side is interesting.

I'm fairly sure this quirk actually helps Sanders too, states that have the 15% bonus: Alaska, Arizona, Hawaii, Idaho, Utah, Washington, Delaware, Maryland, Pennsylvania, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota.

I wonder why this is specifically for neighboring states that have primaries on the same day and not just states in general that have them on the same day.

These primary rules are weird man.

 

[Jack Remington]

So the Bernie thing has stopped being cute.

 

[Macho Madness]

Sernie Banders

 

[And_Gignac]

You guys are overreacting. Michigan was (is?) industrial as it gets. Neoliberal policies killed their industry. Sanders is a champion of fair trade rather than free trade. This was a perfect storm that is unlikely to happen again in any other state.

Spoiler

My heart still believes this is the beginning of THE REVOLUTION, though.

 

[manipulate]

https://twitter.com/chuchugoogoo/status/706847968515760128

:mjcrying:

 

[LizardKing]

Ohio is open, Florida is closed.

Some more open primaries/caucuses coming up are: Wisconsin, Washington, Indiana and Missouri.





Ohio is whiter than MI. Given that, I think the safer money is on Bernie winning OH.

13.7% African American for Ohio and 14.2% for Michigan. Basically identical.

White is 82% Ohio and 80% Michigan

 

[excelsiorlef]

https://twitter.com/chuchugoogoo/status/706847968515760128

:mjcrying:

Yes because Clinton is an evil robot.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Sanders is a champion of fair trade rather than free trade.

I don't think he's actually elaborated on what the former entails to him to actually champion it. The extent to which he seems to discuss trade on the stump and in debates is professing pride in voting against every trade deal ever.

Trade liberalisation will ultimately always have losers because countries can't and shouldn't be producing everything in a world with fewer trade barriers.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

13.7% African American for Ohio and 14.2% for Michigan. Basically identical.

White is 82% Ohio and 80% Michigan

Yes, it's a small difference, but a difference nonetheless.


My guess for March 15th would be Hillary in NC and FL and Bernie in MO and OH. Illinois is tough but I think it favors Hillary.

 

[And_Gignac]

Yes because Clinton is an evil robot.

Wait, SHE IS NOT!?

 

[besada]

I don't think he's actually elaborated on what the former entails to him to actually champion it. The extent to which he seems to discuss trade on the stump and in debates is professing pride in voting against every trade deal ever.

Trade liberalisation will ultimately always have losers because countries can't and shouldn't be producing everything.

I'm pretty sure the sum of his trade policy is that he's against any trade policy that costs American jobs.

In terms of his voting record, he's voted to review all trade policies biennially for violations on a host of topics and said that trade policies must be tied to both human rights and labor laws. He's also for tarrifs against countries that manipulate their currency.

 

[shinra-bansho]

I'm pretty sure the sum of his trade policy is that he's against any trade policy that costs American jobs.

In terms of his voting record, he's voted to review all trade policies biennially for violations on a host of topics and said that trade policies must be tied to both human rights and labor laws. He's also for tarrifs against countries that manipulate their currency.

The latter would generally relate to the idea of using trade liberalisation to improve human rights, that's often considered a tenet of fair free trade.

The former is basically an intractable position that essentially doesn't allow practical modern trade policy.

 

[Suikoguy]

So, even unsubbing from /r/politics was not enough:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/49lezi/hillary_clinton_goes_to_a_giftedstudent_primary/

Spoiler

The joke is that Hillary killed someone, bwhahaha.

 

[benjipwns]

Bernie doesn't have a search box on his page. What is he hiding?

EDIT: Wait, I can't know to even search for it!

 

[besada]

The latter would generally relate to the idea of using trade liberalisation to improve human rights, that's often considered a tenet of fair free trade.

The former is basically an intractable position that essentially doesn't allow practical modern trade policy.

I suspect the latter is what he does with the reality that trade policies will keep being made regardless of his stance on the former.

And Benji, if you're looking for trade policy on feelthebern, it's basically all about what's wrong with existing trade policies, and says he's going to create lots of jobs with infrastructure. Not one of the more impressive sections of the sote.

 

[User 463088]

Man, ya'll woulda been dead in 2008 if you were a Hillary supporter. Ya, I spazzed out when I knew she lost, but she's still got the nomination sewn up. Ain't no thang. I think he campaign made some missteps, but she'll correct it.

I still think Bernie takes Ohio, though.

 

[benjipwns]

And Benji, if you're looking for trade policy on feelthebern, it's basically all about what's wrong with existing trade policies, and says he's going to create lots of jobs with infrastructure. Not one of the more impressive sections of the sote.

That's not his website or affiliated with his campaign. I only trust things written by the candidates personally on their own websites.

Also, it says this:

Hilariously, Bernie put his fellow Representatives on the spot before the NAFTA vote by introducing a bill that if NAFTA were to pass, the members of the House would have to lower their wages to be competitive with politicians in Mexico. Here he is introducing the bill:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0XIgEK6heM

BOOM, ROASTED

 

[Suikoguy]

That's not his website or affiliated with his campaign. I only trust things written by the candidates personally on their own websites.

Also, it says this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0XIgEK6heM

BOOM, ROASTED

Does he have any idea how trade works?
That video is just disturbing.

 

[besada]

That's not his website or affiliated with his campaign. I only trust things written by the candidates personally on their own websites.

Also, it says this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0XIgEK6heM

BOOM, ROASTED

Yeah, no specific trade policy listed on the official website.

Also, I like this one, too: http://youtu.be/Jcm56L3o12c

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

It's interesting how Goldwater is still praised in conservative circles when literally nothing other than his racism is even visible in the current GOP. He was the most pro-war person imaginable and hated Medicare and was socially liberal. It's so ridiculous for a Republican politician to praise Goldwater in today's era while pretending to not be racist.

 

[benjipwns]

Does he have any idea how trade works?

He's a self-declared Socalist who hired a Chartalist for chief economist so...

It's interesting how Goldwater is still praised in conservative circles when literally nothing other than his racism is even visible in the current GOP. He was the most pro-war person imaginable and hated Medicare and was socially liberal. It's so ridiculous for a Republican politician to praise Goldwater in today's era while pretending to not be racist.

You know who was a Goldwater Girl...

Also, I like this one, too: http://youtu.be/Jcm56L3o12c

It sounds like he's talking about the failures of SNL.

EDIT: Oh man, he is really yelling in this one. There's a microphone right there Bernie!

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

DC votes on the 12th for republicans. Kasich's first win?

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Among Democrats: Hillary +16
Among independents: Bernie +42

Maybe pollsters just forgot Michigan was an open primary?

 

[besada]

Benji, I fell down a rabbit hole. I'm watching Reagan and Anderson debate. It's hilarious. Reagan's prediction! Anderson's DeLorean coke-hair!

Holy shit, Daniel Greenberg scolding both candidates before asking a question.
http://youtu.be/V1IIyh3yTsM

I watched this on TV the first time around. So much has changed.

 

[Suikoguy]

Among Democrats: Hillary +16
Among independents: Bernie +42

Maybe pollsters just forgot Michigan was an open primary?

If that's the case, Florida is a closed Primary and he needs a Florida win to have any chance...

 

[benjipwns]

Benji, I fell down a rabbit hole. I'm watching Reagan and Anderson debate. It's hilarious. Reagan's prediction! Anderson's DeLorean coke-hair!

I like how they mostly just bash Carter and aren't that hostile to each other.

There was originally supposed to be an empty podium for Carter inbetween them, but the White House whined to the League of Women Voters...but he still refused to show up to any debates until Anderson was excluded.

Arguably the craziest thing about the 1980 debates is that Reagan and Carter's lone debate was held the Thursday before the election. He probably would have been better off not debating at all by that point.

 

[besada]

I like how they mostly just bash Carter.

There was originally supposed to be an empty podium for Carter inbetween them, but the White House whined to the League of Women Voters...but he still refused to show up to any debates until Anderson was excluded.

Arguably the craziest thing about the 1980 debates is that Reagan and Carter's lone debate was held the Thursday before the election. He probably would have been better off not debating at all by that point.

Yeah, Carter's refusal to acknowledge Anderson was just so wrong-headed. It made him look weak, and let the two of them just tee off on him, and Reagan got lots of time to sharpen up his debate presence. In the early debates he'd often get wrong footed and seem lost in what he's trying to say, but by the time he got to Carter he'd gotten that shit on lockdown by chewing on Anderson.

 

[brainchild]

Subbed for later.

 

[brainchild]

HE'S TRYING TO RIG IT

He actually talked to the press about it

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

The last poll in Missouri is from August. :/

 

[benjipwns]

He actually talked to the press about it

He's ruined my ears with his fancy private jet engines. Another attack by the phony socialist on the working class.

But I found this comment enlightening:

Yes totally agree. If DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz continues to try to steal this election from Bernie Sanders there will be chaos at the Convention.

Bernie Sanders has consistently beat the odds and won more key battleground states.
Michigan was really significant of the energy and enthusiasm from Bernie supporters because he closed a 20 point gap in less than two weeks against $Hillary who had won this state in 2008.
Really Bernie's win in Michigan was a historic pivotal moment.

$Hillary Clinton's win in the South is severely diminished by the fact that Donald Trump has a larger majority in those states which traditionally vote Republican President at the November General Election.
For example, South Carolina and Texas have not voted for a Democrat President in a very long time.

So Bernie Sanders win in these key states are much more decisive, which is why every poll continue to show that Bernie would win the Presidential Election by a large margin over Trump. #feelthebern #bernie2016 

 

[StopMakingSense]

Oh god Shillary with a dollar sign for the 'S'

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

He's ruined my ears with his fancy private jet engines. Another attack by the phony socialist on the working class.

But I found this comment enlightening:

It almost reads like self-parody.

 

[kirblar]

Among Democrats: Hillary +16
Among independents: Bernie +42

Maybe pollsters just forgot Michigan was an open primary?

Independents being overrepresented totally makes the most sense.

 

[brainchild]

Oh god Shillary with a dollar sign for the 'S'

I've used it before. $ue me.

/$

 

[Jack Remington]

I know this is hypocritical since I'm rooting for Trump to dominate open primaries, but Democrats seriously cannot let a bunch of independents who probably didn't bother to show up in 2010 or 2014 decide this nomination.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

I know this is hypocritical since I'm rooting for Trump to dominate open primaries, but Democrats seriously cannot let a bunch of independents who probably didn't bother to show up in 2010 or 2014 decide this nomination.

Instead, we should let the democrats who didn't bother to show up decide.

 

[brainchild]

Instead, we should let the democrats who didn't bother to show up decide.

LOL

 

[Suikoguy]

I know this is hypocritical since I'm rooting for Trump to dominate open primaries, but Democrats seriously cannot let a bunch of independents who probably didn't bother to show up in 2010 or 2014 decide this nomination.

No need to get that worked up over it. Sanders chances for winning the nomination went down again tonight.

 

[Knuckle Sandwich]

I know this is hypocritical since I'm rooting for Trump to dominate open primaries, but Democrats seriously cannot let a bunch of independents who probably didn't bother to show up in 2010 or 2014 decide this nomination.

The nomination is already decided.

 

[shinra-bansho]

What did polling model the potential electorate on anyway? I had forgotten that the 2008 primary was basically invalid and Obama wasn't on the ballot, so it wouldn't have been a good base for demographics. While it was a caucuses in 2004?

 

[neurosisxeno]

Instead, we should let the democrats who didn't bother to show up decide.

Rekt.

 

[User 463088]

What did polling model the potential electorate on anyway? I had forgotten that the 2008 primary was basically invalid and Obama wasn't on the ballot, so it wouldn't have been a good base for demographics. While it was a caucuses in 2004?

There hasn't been a competitive Democratic contest in Michigan since 1992.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

There hasn't been a competitive Democratic contest in Michigan since 1992.

I know this sounds like Bernie propaganda, but I think the MI results really do throw some of the other polling into question. I mean, I don't see any way that Illinois can be 65-27 Hillary if MI was 50-48 Bernie.

 

[benjipwns]

I know this sounds like Bernie propaganda, but I think the MI results really do throw some of the other polling into question. I mean, I don't see any way that Illinois can be 65-27 Hillary if MI was 50-48 Bernie.

This is why we need unbiased polls rather than ones put out by the establishment. A lot of these polls are funded by BIG CORPORATIONS who have ties to THE BIG BANKS.

I will accept funding to start my explanatory polling firm.

 

[User 463088]

I know this sounds like Bernie propaganda, but I think the MI results really do throw some of the other polling into question. I mean, I don't see any way that Illinois can be 65-27 Hillary if MI was 50-48 Bernie.

I

I'm not saying that number is accurate, however Hillary is from Illinois. She's tied herself to Obama who is insanely popular there. White voters in 2008 made up only 58% of the electorate. Hispanics made up 16. So it looks closer to some other States than Michigan. I would question Ohio polls, though.

 

[Tesseract]

the bernie fear is real, hillary thinks she's conor, going against diaz

 

[TheLaughingStock]

He's a self-declared Socalist who hired a Chartalist for chief economist so...

Apparently she's prohibited from working on his campaign due to a conflict of interest so that's why he's killing off his policies to help the poor with excessive tax increases.

 

[besada]

I just discovered that Firing Line with William Buckley, Jr. is available on Amazon Instant video. This is amazing for people interested in politics. I'm watching Buckley and Jesse Jackson arguing about "Blacks and the economy" during the Reagan administration.

So much better than the shit interviews on cable and network TV today.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

This is why we need unbiased polls rather than ones put out by the establishment. A lot of these polls are funded by BIG CORPORATIONS who have ties to THE BIG BANKS.

I will accept funding to start my explanatory polling firm.

lol, hopefully that's not how I came across. I don't mean the polls are intentionally wrong, just that they might be unintentionally wrong.